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OD,

Compared 2 da USC and the Kacaan gov, SNM were angels! I think you already know we could have ethnically-cleanse your clan and your fellow Warsans in da 90s, nobody would ever know (and keep in mind we still can today). Your people would live as slaves to the Dhabacyos in Bari & Nugaal today if it wasn't for the peace conferences. Hopefully, the next president won't be gentle like Silanyo. But still, today, we ride on your asses,

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but if you ever dared and jumped on the MJ cock again, lets just say, you have this aimed straight at your ass.

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The Snm were chased back to Burco.....they didn't come back for twenty years, and when they did they came with money and flowers. :)
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The Snm were chased back to Burco.....they didn't come back for twenty years, and when they did they came with money and flowers. :

looooool now I know you are trolling sxb. SNM (not Somaliland) captured Buuhoodle twice before and captured Erigavo long time ago (all the Warsans were kicked out than we let theme in again, but we are still the majority today).Your people were on the boat with Somaliland ever since its establishment in 91 till you jumped on MJ's cock in 2003. Guess what happened in 2007, you jumped back on our cock! Than the whole SSC/ Khatumoo story begin but ended shortly in 2014 when we anally raped you & chased you all the way to Ethiopia when you turned your voice high in a conference trying to start a state within SL. You should know better about Burco though. Not long time ago, it was shared with your people!

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Let just say for argument's sake that the Kacaan didn't commit any massacres, why are there mass graves of people bind together and shot found nearly every year in Hargeisa and surrounding areas? Why are there videos of Hargeisa being shelled with artillery and bombarded with fighter jets on youtube?

This is evidence you can't deny and I find it disgusting you defend these actions because of clan loyalty.
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Lool Original Dervish oo nin balaayo ka dhacday iska dhigaaya. Somalinet is funny place. I only have one question. It is 2015, do you know where Khaatumo and its "President" are ?

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Rambie wrote:
The Snm were chased back to Burco.....they didn't come back for twenty years, and when they did they came with money and flowers. :

looooool now I know you are trolling sxb. SNM (not Somaliland) captured Buuhoodle twice before and captured Erigavo long time ago (all the Warsans were kicked out than we let theme in again, but we are still the majority today).Your people were on the boat with Somaliland ever since its establishment in 91 till you jumped on MJ's cock in 2003. Guess what happened in 2007, you jumped back on our cock! Than the whole SSC/ Khatumoo story begin but ended shortly in 2014 when we anally raped you & chased you all the way to Ethiopia when you turned your voice high in a conference trying to start a state within SL. You should know better about Burco though. Not long time ago, it was shared with your people!

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We were never ever defeated by the snm.....we killed hundreds and hundreds of them.
Even when the Govt collapsed and the Ethiopians were giving full military support...we fought on.
This is recorded history....nobody can deny it. :)
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original dervish wrote:We were never ever defeated by the snm.....we killed hundreds and hundreds of them.
Even when the Govt collapsed and the Ethiopians were giving full military support...we fought on.
This is recorded history....nobody can deny it. :)
No you weren't defeated by the SNM, your elders went to Oog to beg for peace when the SNM was about to conquer Lascaanod. Funny thing is Somaliland controls Lascaanod now.
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We were never ever defeated by the snm.....we killed hundreds and hundreds of them.
Even when the Govt collapsed and the Ethiopians were giving full military support...we fought on.
This is recorded history....nobody can deny it. :)

Whatever rocks your boat my Dhulu friend,

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No you weren't defeated by the SNM, your elders went to Oog to beg for peace when the SNM was about to conquer Lascaanod. Funny thing is Somaliland controls Lascaanod now.
Let the kid run around. We own his capital and his people.

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original dervish wrote:We were never ever defeated by the snm.....we killed hundreds and hundreds of them.
Even when the Govt collapsed and the Ethiopians were giving full military support...we fought on.
This is recorded history....nobody can deny it. :)

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Re: An Open letter to Bashiir Nuur Bidaar.

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Warya Rambie inader if you can not resist to karbaash dhulbahante I suggest you to faan about HJ conquest of dhulbahante country before 1960. but You have no rights to use or faan Somaliland mighty against civilian citizens who directly or indirectly contribute that mighty. A nation vs clan is totaly not fair, thats why the faqash regime collupsed. Clan vs clan is oki go ahead.

When you want to kaftan with other landers learn how to be proud habarjeclo or what ever habar you are with out wearing Somaliland shirt to cover your weakness. Never ever use Somaliland military Acheivements to score some tribal goals, Somaliland is not your habar not even isaaq . Kuwan dhulbahante waxan usheegayaa adeer hana hor cararina markanu faqashta reer walaweyn karbaashayno inagu waynigii is cafinay lakiin walaweyn meelaanu isku cafinay ma jirto, noo kala baxa.

iskana celiya markay habruhu awooda dawlada idiinku fanaan illeen Landtu waa gudinyahahay imaad goyseene badhkay baa kugu jira, jeclaw ama nebcaw bahasha ka mid baad tihiine la qabsada systemka yaan laydin rifine. Waa talo waayeel.
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^^ Habar habar iyo waxaas meesha loogama baahna. Meesha dawlad baa ka jirta wixii ka soo hor jeestana waa la fuulayaa saxib.



1. Ciisuhu xilkii waa guteen laysma xaasidoe
2. Xaggay naga xigeen nacabka wayka xakameeyene
3. Xoog iyo Adduun kalama hadhin xarakadeenniiye
4. Xidhiidhkaa tolnimadaa lehiyo xeerka Saadadae
5. Xigto niman lahayn cadawgu waa xubin wareemaaye
6. Xamdu mahad Isaaqoo dhanbay xiisa geliyeene.
7. Xiis iyo Jaboutaysku xidhan xeebti dhererayde
8. (Xerudhalanku) feedha isa saar xawli dhiidhiyaye
9. Xammeetidii dhextiil labada reer xididka loo saarye
10. Xinjirtii madoobeyd la tuur xadantadeediiye
11. (zzzzzz) ka guur degalladuu xaadir ku ahaaye
Gadabbuursi traitors !


12. Xin-kunoolihii HabarCafaan xuurta la cunsiiye
13. Samaroon Xantiyo beenta iyo xaasidkii jebiye
14. Hadduunaby xaglaha kula dheceen Xabis kelysnaaye
15. Waatay xumeeyeen dadkay kuu xadfanaayeene
16. Xidid iyo degaan may hanbayn xeerna may dhiganne
17. Xabashidana waatay wax badan ka xajarnaayeene
18. Xuduudaha siday uga gudbaan waa xisaab adage
19. Xor haddii ad tahay dunida waa la xusladeeyaaye
20. Xigmad li'idu waa waxa ka dhigay xoola baadiyahe
21. Hadday xago bannaan tuban yihiin xuunshanaytiduye
22. Xirribaha ha duugeen indhihii wada xayuugnaaye
23. Xero maleh Afweyniyo kuway uxusul duubeene
24. Rag kalaa xukuma goboladii Xamarna waa foole
25. Xaggeebay u kici Gedona waa xarun ugaadeene
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:lol: :lol: Abwaan Qaasim was one of the greatest indeed. He was around at a crucial time; and he did his best to give voice to the voiceless as a Somali patriot. Later when the kacaanist filth got out of control and they were subsequently crushed, he recited above timely poem. Let the brave Ciise folks take the above poem as an abaalgud on our behalf, and let the ever backstabbing qudhunbiirsi use it as a warning and a lesson. Let them also use the demise of Khatumo and its daily humiliation as an example.
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I'm not surprised that 'sadeboi' is spreading lies, I would be surprised if he wasn't because deception is engrained in his genetic code, sameyskiisa aadmigaa ayaaba xaaraan ah wax kale iska daaye.

Afweyne's regime was responsible for the atrocities committed in SL. The extrajudicial killings, the psychological intimidation, the economic policy with the aim of destroying Isaaq wealth, the use of landmines, the war against the nomads, the destruction of Isaaq society, it all started in 1981. The SNM was created in 1981 as a result of Afweyne's policies.

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Using military strikes against civilian targets
The Somali military used artillery and aerial bombardment in heavily populated areas in order to retake Burao and Hargeisa, although there were no SNM combatants there.
U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), SOMALIA: Observations Regarding the Northern Conflict and Resulting Conditions.

-Under the Geneva convention these types of attacks are indiscriminate and Afweyne, under international law, was obliged to protect civilian lives but he didn't because his goal was to wipe out Isaaq civilians not save them as you can see in the quotation above.

-Here we got another quotation that describes how Afweyne's regime evacuated non Isaaq civilians in order to maximize the death and destruction.
The government used loudspeakers to sort the civilians out into Darood and Isaak. They would shout, ''Who's is from Galkayo? Mogadishu? Las Anod, Garoe?''[Non-Isaak territory]. They appealed to the non-Isaaks to leave so they could burn the town and all those who remained behind. Most of the people from these towns left; the government provided them with transportation.
Human Right Watch - A government at war with its own people.

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Economic punishment and government policies.

-The accounts of an Isaaq businesswoman interviewed by the HRW, who was the manager of Oriental Hotel in Hargeisa and her encounter with Afweyne Barre in Mogadishu after being detained by the NSS simply because her late father's business was profitable.
Eventually, I was taken to see the President. The President started talking politics straight away. He launched into an attack against Isaaks and against me. He had no kind words to say in spite of our ordeal. He commented, ''What you Isaaks deserve is not be detained but shot on the spot after you commit such offenses''. I asked him, ''what have we done?'' I said I was not aware of aything illegal that I had done. He emphasized, again and again, the ''arrogance'' of the Isaaks.
- The quote above reminds me of that humiliation study posted by a former snetter that describes how Afweyne, the former Italian Zaptie not even a real military soldier, felt humiliated at the hands of Isaaq generals trained at the Royal Military Academy of Sandhurst in his early days, which lead to his pathologic hatred for the Isaaq clan. Eventough one can say that all Darood suffer from pathologic hatred because of their inferiority complex nonetheless..
Isaak businessmen, both in the north and in the south, suffered from discriminatory practices. Lines of credit at state banks were severely restricted, which was a major blow to businessmen as there are no private banks in Somalia. No Isaak could participate on equal footing in government tenders. Now could Isaak businessmen obtain loans from banks, unless this was facilitated by a non-Isaak crony of the authority.
Isaaks in Mogadishu were also at a severe disadvantage. She describe the example of Hashi Afboor, who tried to obtain money from his bank account in Mogadishu in 1986. He was told he could withdraw the amount he requested on condition that he gave four non-Isaak men the money with which to start business.
In the marketplace in Hargeisa, women who had sewing machines had to pay 10 shillings a day and 3,000 shilling every six months. Even women selling milk did not escape. They paid 10 shillings for the spot on the ground that each container occupied and 3,000 shillings every six months. Of course, all these regulation affected principally the Isaaks. When the odd non-Isaak was affected, once it was established that they were not Isaaks, he or she would be compensated.
HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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The regime's policies
A confidential report from General Morgan to President Barre leaked to the international press in February 1987 detalied the policies that Morgan had been implementing to ''liquadate'' what he referred to as the ''Isaak problem'' and which he was recommending to the president. Te measures spelled out in the letter included confiscating the property of Isaaks and redistributing their wealth; suspending their business licences; freezing the bank accounts of Isaak businessmen and destroying their businesses by giving opportunities to non-Isaaks; purging Isaaks from all sensitive government positions; accelerating the enrollment of the children of the refugees into local schools in order to ensure a ''balance''; relocating villages, destroying water reservoirs and resettling Ethiopian refugees on Isaak territory.
The government had at its disposal, a formidable array of extra-legal sanctions that it used to wage a more subtle kind of political warfare. A system known as ''Isaak Extermination'' (''Dabar Goynta Isaaka'') was put into effect.
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The war against Isaaq nomads
Dabar Goynta Isaaka (''The Isaak Exterminators''), a well-mechanized section of the army which consisted entirely of non Isaaks, widely regarded as one of the most abusive forces engaged in counter-insurgency activities, was responsible for ''dealing'' with the nomads. They, and other branches of the military terrorized the countryside.
In late June or early July 1987, the governor of Las Anod was killed by the SNM. The military demanded that Isaaks civilians living in the region pay 120 camels ''in exchange'', although they had nothing to do with the killing.
Whenever the military suffered a defeat in an encounter with the SNM, they killed some nomads in the area. Then they brought their dead bodies to towns, saying, ''We have killed some Ethiopians - come and see for yourselves''
When confronted by the military, nomads would be extravagantly generous, hoping that would appease their ''guests'' and they would be left in peace. At the end of 1987, some soldiers visited Aw Harrir Nur. He was very hospitable. They repaid him by raping his daughter and ill treating his wife. When he protested, they beat him.
In January 1989, Community Aid Abroad, an Australian agency operating in the Sanaag region reported that:
Widespread massacre occured after 2 soldiers were blown up with a landmine in Elafweyn District. In reprisal the military commander of Sanaag ordered the deaths of 200 nomands. One hundred and three men, women and children were slaughtered the following day.
Nomads arrested in the countryside were brought to Hargeisa to be executed. These poor people would be forced to wear whar the government described as ''SNM uniforms'' and were paraded in the National Theater.
In August 1985, an army truck was blown up on a two mile feeder road that connected the main asphalt road to the military barracks near Arabsiyo. The driver was killed. The army responded with massive retaliation against the residents living within 30 kilometers of the area; many residents were shot, livestock confiscated and many huts butned.
After spending so much money in constructing reservoirs, the owners were often not even allowed to drink from them, never mind their animals. If there were soldiers living in the aream the reservoirs became theirs
HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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Rape as weapon of war,
Rape by soldiers became common. It was particularly frequent in the countryside. Those who could send a daughter out of the country did so.
Often, when they came to search houses, they raped any attractive woman they saw, saying, ''Instead of giving birth to a ''qurmis'', I will force her to have a pro-government bastard. It's better than what they give birth to anyway''. Isaak men would constantly be told, ''Go and get those prostitutes of yours'' - meaning their sisters and daughters.
They would kick the man out of the house and soldiers forced him to remain outside while the women were raped by other soldiers. Just to humiliate the men, they did no even spare the old women. Sometimes women were gang-raped. This is really what made the SNM expand. So many storekeepers, traders and tea shop owners just locked up and left to join the SNM, feeling that they couldn't just sit around watching this happen to their wives daughters, sisters and the relatives of their friends and neighbors.
HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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Destroying the social fabric and basic elements of the society,
It got to a point that the people of the region became invisible, no matter what their qualifications or qualities. They were worse off than foreigners; they became a people with no rights in their own country. Every group was encouraged to watch over the others, as the only way to protect themselves. It destroyed community life. Neighbors became suspicious of each other.
Education deteriorated year after year. After only two hours at schools, the teachers would leave. Those were the conscientious ones. The other simply never turned up. The students could see that both the living confitions and the political situation were getting worse every year. Soldiers came to the schools with the their tanks and fired into the air. Students ran and then they would be arrested and beaten. Those who really could not tolerate the situation left to join the SNM
HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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As usual, the Isaaq in here as well as the ones out there are clueless. They attacked the silly little girl Original because she's a simple target and by doing so they made an irrelevant person relevant just like useless Isaaq politicians make the irrelevant dh!los relevant in SL politics. No one decided to debunk the myths of the xaaraan ku naax Booli qaran.
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