War Criminal's Supreme Court appeal rejected

[Methylamine]

You must have reading comprehension issues, because no where did I mention you saying it was haraam to pursue justice in a Gaalo court. But you began your argument using the Gaalo court line in a petty attempt to ridicule the plaintiffs.

In My mind the more honoroable thing is instead of running after Gaalo courts who will give You nothing but lugooyo, forive walaalka Muslimka Soomali ah who's like friggin a 100 yrs old and have some darn shame for once. This is simply just low.

And continued to used the Gaalo court line later on in this thread

Fact is if He was alive today if there were no Somali courts to try Him I nor My family would be running around the world begging Gaalo to put Him at jail at a hundred years old.

Your silly excuse is that he's old and what's the point of pursuing him. Well the point is that he should be held liable for his actions and to be tried in a court of law, regardless of where that court is.

Honestly, had he come forth at the beginning and admit responsibility and sincerely seek forgiveness from his victims, he'd probably receive it. Instead, his arrogance caused him to waste all his savings trying to deny all allegations put forth against him, despite the overwhelming amount of evidence implicating him for state terrorism. Ali Samatar is a loser, and those that try to defend filth like him will forever stay losing

[Xildiiid]

You must have reading comprehension issues, because no where did I mention you saying it was haraam to pursue justice in a Gaalo court. But you began your argument using the Gaalo court line in a petty attempt to ridicule the plaintiffs.

In My mind the more honoroable thing is instead of running after Gaalo courts who will give You nothing but lugooyo, forive walaalka Muslimka Soomali ah who's like friggin a 100 yrs old and have some darn shame for once. This is simply just low.

And continued to used the Gaalo court line later on in this thread

Fact is if He was alive today if there were no Somali courts to try Him I nor My family would be running around the world begging Gaalo to put Him at jail at a hundred years old.

Your silly excuse is that he's old and what's the point of pursuing him. Well the point is that he should be held liable for his actions and to be tried in a court of law, regardless of where that court is.

Honestly, had he come forth at the beginning and admit responsibility and sincerely seek forgiveness from his victims, he'd probably receive it. Instead, his arrogance caused him to waste all his savings trying to deny all allegations put forth against him, despite the overwhelming amount of evidence implicating him for state terrorism. Ali Samatar is a loser, and those that try to defend filth like him will forever stay losing

[Murax]

Methylamine,

Like I said before, last thing I want to do is say I'd do this and this, without thinking of a real life situation of mine and saying I'd definitely do this. Like I said before, Caydiid aun killed My Dad's only nephews, and My first cousins yet He does not harbor a lot of ill will or resentment towards Him. That said in retrospect I'll admit that if it was My Son, Brother, Sister, etc. I'd probably feel differently. From that aspect I'll take back a lot of what I said it is wrong for Me to perhaps wonder aloud what the point of a seemingly never ending court chase is as far as bringing closure.


On a different note, I will say that it is just plain foolish on Your part to somehow exxonerate 25 years of Somali animalistic behavoir as just mere by products of one Man's doing MSB. As some of the Ulema were explaining in that Ayah people carry responsibility too.

[Rambie]

Methylamine,

Like I said before, last thing I want to do is say I'd do this and this, without thinking of a real life situation of mine and saying I'd definitely do this. Like I said before, Caydiid aun killed My Dad's only nephews, and My first cousins yet He does not harbor a lot of ill will or resentment towards Him. That said in retrospect I'll admit that if it was My Son, Brother, Sister, etc. I'd probably feel differently. From that aspect I'll take back a lot of what I said it is wrong for Me to perhaps wonder aloud what the point of a seemingly never ending court chase is as far as bringing closure.


On a different note, I will say that it is just plain foolish on Your part to somehow exxonerate 25 years of Somali animalistic behavoir as just mere by products of one Man's doing MSB. As some of the Ulema were explaining in that Ayah people carry responsibility too.

Well Caydiiid is dead, and you and your family probably throw a big party for that occasion. But if he was alive and lives right next to you, would you go to him and say this adeer/walalo BS? I highly doubt it.

Plus that guy killed so many Darood with local militia aka light weapons and tikniko.

That Midgaan you're defending lead a TRAINED ARMY and deliberately targeted civilians. With fighter jets, tanks, heavy arterially calculated strategies and tactics to inflict the maximum amount of damage.

How many Darood died in Xamar? 5000? 7000? 10000? We lost 60000 lives in matter of months,

The casualties inflicted on Somalia is self inflicted. While the damages inflicted on SL was from a foreign entity in one way. So don't come up at me with BS like "we all suffered, lets forget what happened"

Well bad luck, you suffered AFTER abusing other clans and living on their expense for 30 years. You milked the cow of centralizem the irony that you're also the first who perused Federalism.

[Methylamine]

First off, AUN to your cousins.

Secondly, you have to make a distinction between the killings orchestrated by a tribal militia in a civil war, and the systematic targeting of Isaaqs by the government. I'm not condoning what happened to your relatives, but the fact that the government used the national treasury and the aid provided by the United States to settle scores with a tribe is despicable to say the least.

Again, the point of this court chase is to hold Samatar accountable for his actions. Somalia has made it clear that they support war criminals from Kacaan era, and since Samatar resides in the United States it only makes sense to try him there. These plaintiffs directly suffered under Samatar's rule, either by being tortured themselves or losing their family members via execution.

The argument of how Somalis are today holds no water. Don't want to derail this thread into a clan pissing contest but keep in mind that you're in the Somaliland section, so the description of the animalistic behaviour of Somalis doesn't really apply here. Somaliland may have its shortcomings, but Alhamdulilah Reer SL has established peace, and the life of a Somalilander is much better now than before. I believe the reason why Somalia is in a hopeless state and that Somalis will continue to be bitterly divided is because of individuals like yourself, who continue to defend war criminals of the past and continue to put them on pedestals as if they're some sort of heroes. Good luck trying to reach some sort of reconciliation because I surely doubt that will happen if people like yourself continue to have such a poisonous mentality

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Methylamine,

Like I said before, last thing I want to do is say I'd do this and this, without thinking of a real life situation of mine and saying I'd definitely do this. Like I said before, Caydiid aun killed My Dad's only nephews, and My first cousins yet He does not harbor a lot of ill will or resentment towards Him. That said in retrospect I'll admit that if it was My Son, Brother, Sister, etc. I'd probably feel differently. From that aspect I'll take back a lot of what I said it is wrong for Me to perhaps wonder aloud what the point of a seemingly never ending court chase is as far as bringing closure.


On a different note, I will say that it is just plain foolish on Your part to somehow exxonerate 25 years of Somali animalistic behavoir as just mere by products of one Man's doing MSB. As some of the Ulema were explaining in that Ayah people carry responsibility too.

That's like a white person saying that my cousins were murdered by black street thugs therefore, a white cop who illegally killed innocent black people should be left alone. WTF kind of logic is that?

Caydiid was firstly a symptom of the disease that your clan spread all over Somalia. Secondly, Caydiid led a ragtag militia consisting of mostly his tribe. He was also doing what he did out of retribution. This Midgaan dude was a government official and he led most of Somalia's Army (an institution meant to protect Somalis) into the Northern territory with the express purpose to annihilate an entire clan. He has a bigger moral responsibility, just like the cop, and is more guilty. And lastly, the scale in which the Isaaq clan was murdered was unprecedented. Tens of thousands were murdered or had to flee into another country, Ethiopia (Somalia's enemy).

[Xildiiid]

Muran is defending the dude who said if he got the chance to bomb Hargeisa again, he would do it.

In other words if he could kill more Isaaq, he would do it again.

The regime didn't use artillery and aerial bombardments against the SNM. The HRW disproves that, instead they used it against heavily populated areas to exterminate the Isaaq population and then resettle refugees.

I'm disgusted when there's people like Murax oo Somali kula sheeganaya.

I assume he hasn't read any of the reports so ill post few quotes that I used to debunk the myths of Sadeboi, another Kacaanist.

I'm not surprised that 'sadeboi' is spreading lies, I would be surprised if he wasn't because deception is engrained in his genetic code, sameyskiisa aadmigaa ayaaba xaaraan ah wax kale iska daaye.

Afweyne's regime was responsible for the atrocities committed in SL. The extrajudicial killings, the psychological intimidation, the economic policy with the aim of destroying Isaaq wealth, the use of landmines, the war against the nomads, the destruction of Isaaq society, it all started in 1981. The SNM was created in 1981 as a result of Afweyne's policies.

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Using military strikes against civilian targets

The Somali military used artillery and aerial bombardment in heavily populated areas in order to retake Burao and Hargeisa, although there were no SNM combatants there.

U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), SOMALIA: Observations Regarding the Northern Conflict and Resulting Conditions.

-Under the Geneva convention these types of attacks are indiscriminate and Afweyne, under international law, was obliged to protect civilian lives but he didn't because his goal was to wipe out Isaaq civilians not save them as you can see in the quotation above.

-Here we got another quotation that describes how Afweyne's regime evacuated non Isaaq civilians in order to maximize the death and destruction.

The government used loudspeakers to sort the civilians out into Darood and Isaak. They would shout, ''Who's is from Galkayo? Mogadishu? Las Anod, Garoe?''[Non-Isaak territory]. They appealed to the non-Isaaks to leave so they could burn the town and all those who remained behind. Most of the people from these towns left; the government provided them with transportation.

Human Right Watch - A government at war with its own people.

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Economic punishment and government policies.

-The accounts of an Isaaq businesswoman interviewed by the HRW, who was the manager of Oriental Hotel in Hargeisa and her encounter with Afweyne Barre in Mogadishu after being detained by the NSS simply because her late father's business was profitable.

Eventually, I was taken to see the President. The President started talking politics straight away. He launched into an attack against Isaaks and against me. He had no kind words to say in spite of our ordeal. He commented, ''What you Isaaks deserve is not be detained but shot on the spot after you commit such offenses''. I asked him, ''what have we done?'' I said I was not aware of aything illegal that I had done. He emphasized, again and again, the ''arrogance'' of the Isaaks.

- The quote above reminds me of that humiliation study posted by a former snetter that describes how Afweyne, the former Italian Zaptie not even a real military soldier, felt humiliated at the hands of Isaaq generals trained at the Royal Military Academy of Sandhurst in his early days, which lead to his pathologic hatred for the Isaaq clan. Eventough one can say that all Darood suffer from pathologic hatred because of their inferiority complex nonetheless..

Isaak businessmen, both in the north and in the south, suffered from discriminatory practices. Lines of credit at state banks were severely restricted, which was a major blow to businessmen as there are no private banks in Somalia. No Isaak could participate on equal footing in government tenders. No Isaak businessmen could obtain loans from banks, unless this was facilitated by a non-Isaak crony of the authority.

Isaaks in Mogadishu were also at a severe disadvantage. She describe the example of Hashi Afboor, who tried to obtain money from his bank account in Mogadishu in 1986. He was told he could withdraw the amount he requested on condition that he gave four non-Isaak men the money with which to start business.

In the marketplace in Hargeisa, women who had sewing machines had to pay 10 shillings a day and 3,000 shilling every six months. Even women selling milk did not escape. They paid 10 shillings for the spot on the ground that each container occupied and 3,000 shillings every six months. Of course, all these regulation affected principally the Isaaks. When the odd non-Isaak was affected, once it was established that they were not Isaaks, he or she would be compensated.

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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The regime's policies

A confidential report from General Morgan to President Barre leaked to the international press in February 1987 detalied the policies that Morgan had been implementing to ''liquadate'' what he referred to as the ''Isaak problem'' and which he was recommending to the president. The measures spelled out in the letter included confiscating the property of Isaaks and redistributing their wealth; suspending their business licences; freezing the bank accounts of Isaak businessmen and destroying their businesses by giving opportunities to non-Isaaks; purging Isaaks from all sensitive government positions; accelerating the enrollment of the children of the refugees into local schools in order to ensure a ''balance''; relocating villages, destroying water reservoirs and resettling Ethiopian refugees on Isaak territory.

The government had at its disposal, a formidable array of extra-legal sanctions that it used to wage a more subtle kind of political warfare. A system known as ''Isaak Extermination'' (''Dabar Goynta Isaaka'') was put into effect.

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The war against Isaaq nomads

Dabar Goynta Isaaka (''The Isaak Exterminators''), a well-mechanized section of the army which consisted entirely of non Isaaks, widely regarded as one of the most abusive forces engaged in counter-insurgency activities, was responsible for ''dealing'' with the nomads. They, and other branches of the military terrorized the countryside.

In late June or early July 1987, the governor of Las Anod was killed by the SNM. The military demanded that Isaaks civilians living in the region pay 120 camels ''in exchange'', although they had nothing to do with the killing.

Whenever the military suffered a defeat in an encounter with the SNM, they killed some nomads in the area. Then they brought their dead bodies to towns, saying, ''We have killed some Ethiopians - come and see for yourselves''

When confronted by the military, nomads would be extravagantly generous, hoping that would appease their ''guests'' and they would be left in peace. At the end of 1987, some soldiers visited Aw Harrir Nur. He was very hospitable. They repaid him by raping his daughter and ill treating his wife. When he protested, they beat him.

In January 1989, Community Aid Abroad, an Australian agency operating in the Sanaag region reported that:
Widespread massacre occured after 2 soldiers were blown up with a landmine in Elafweyn District. In reprisal the military commander of Sanaag ordered the deaths of 200 nomands. One hundred and three men, women and children were slaughtered the following day.

Nomads arrested in the countryside were brought to Hargeisa to be executed. These poor people would be forced to wear whar the government described as ''SNM uniforms'' and were paraded in the National Theater.

In August 1985, an army truck was blown up on a two mile feeder road that connected the main asphalt road to the military barracks near Arabsiyo. The driver was killed. The army responded with massive retaliation against the residents living within 30 kilometers of the area; many residents were shot, livestock confiscated and many huts butned.

After spending so much money in constructing reservoirs, the owners were often not even allowed to drink from them, never mind their animals. If there were soldiers living in the aream the reservoirs became theirs

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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Rape as weapon of war,

Rape by soldiers became common. It was particularly frequent in the countryside. Those who could send a daughter out of the country did so.

Often, when they came to search houses, they raped any attractive woman they saw, saying, ''Instead of giving birth to a ''qurmis'', I will force her to have a pro-government bastard. It's better than what they give birth to anyway''. Isaak men would constantly be told, ''Go and get those prostitutes of yours'' - meaning their sisters and daughters.

They would kick the man out of the house and soldiers forced him to remain outside while the women were raped by other soldiers. Just to humiliate the men, they did no even spare the old women. Sometimes women were gang-raped. This is really what made the SNM expand. So many storekeepers, traders and tea shop owners just locked up and left to join the SNM, feeling that they couldn't just sit around watching this happen to their wives daughters, sisters and the relatives of their friends and neighbors.

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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Destroying the social fabric and basic elements of the society,

It got to a point that the people of the region became invisible, no matter what their qualifications or qualities. They were worse off than foreigners; they became a people with no rights in their own country. Every group was encouraged to watch over the others, as the only way to protect themselves. It destroyed community life. Neighbors became suspicious of each other.

Education deteriorated year after year. After only two hours at schools, the teachers would leave. Those were the conscientious ones. The other simply never turned up. The students could see that both the living confitions and the political situation were getting worse every year. Soldiers came to the schools with the their tanks and fired into the air. Students ran and then they would be arrested and beaten. Those who really could not tolerate the situation left to join the SNM

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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[LiquidHYDROGEN]

And these fuckers have the audacity to wonder why no Isaaq trusts a Darood. They can't even acknowledge, let alone apologise, for the crimes their clan has commited. They always bring up "Hawiye did this to us as well, Hawiye did that to us, Rahanweyn baa na xasuuqey bla bla".

Nicca, I don't give a fuck about Hawiye ama rahanweyntoona. You are responsible for your own actions. If Somalia has any hope of unity, even in a symbolic sense - there needs to be a lot of apologising done by your side. And I'm not talking about the "We regret our actions bla bla bla" kind of non-apology. I'm talking about your leaders and clan elders handing over or atleast denouncing the war-criminals in your midst and getting on their f-king knees and begging for forgiveness from the families of those who were murdered by the same people they trusted and willingly joined out of walaaltinimo and Somalinimo. Everything else waa cantarbaqash. Your Somali unity starts there. If you can't perform that simple task -> -> -> Fck right off.

[Xildiiid]

It's what macalin X.Playa stressed on this forum before. Their entire war against Isaaq was based on punishing Isaaq for allegedly being "gaalo raac" during colonialism and that the Darood suffered at the hands of Isaaq and the colonialists but in order to legitimize their war, they had to legitimize it historically hence their revision. They waged the first war through the pen.

The hate that these people got is ridiculous. Murax, a US born and raised Somali, is defending a war criminal because he was an official of the Kacaan lead by his clan.

[gobdoon]

Isaaqu wa waalan yihiin , dadkii qabiilkas ka dhashay oo dawladii la soo shaqeeyey inay wax yirahdan iskaba dhaafe badankooda waxy ugu dareen inay u magacaban jagooyin , dad qabiilo kale ka dhashay oo ayan wax cad ku hayna wa dabo gelayan , sa u fekertan iyo ulajeedadiina oo dhan ba qudhun ah oo soo uraysa.

[gobdoon]

Crime what crime , nobody would listen to you , untill you achnowlege other people who are not your qabiil were victims as well , where the people who commited the crimes were Isaaq millatery officers who were in the millatery.

[Rambie]

Muran is defending the dude who said if he got the chance to bomb Hargeisa again, he would do it.

In other words if he could kill more Isaaq, he would do it again.

The regime didn't use artillery and aerial bombardments against the SNM. The HRW disproves that, instead they used it against heavily populated areas to exterminate the Isaaq population and then resettle refugees.

I'm disgusted when there's people like Murax oo Somali kula sheeganaya.

I assume he hasn't read any of the reports so ill post few quotes that I used to debunk the myths of Sadeboi, another Kacaanist.

I'm not surprised that 'sadeboi' is spreading lies, I would be surprised if he wasn't because deception is engrained in his genetic code, sameyskiisa aadmigaa ayaaba xaaraan ah wax kale iska daaye.

Afweyne's regime was responsible for the atrocities committed in SL. The extrajudicial killings, the psychological intimidation, the economic policy with the aim of destroying Isaaq wealth, the use of landmines, the war against the nomads, the destruction of Isaaq society, it all started in 1981. The SNM was created in 1981 as a result of Afweyne's policies.

------------------------------------------------------------

Using military strikes against civilian targets

The Somali military used artillery and aerial bombardment in heavily populated areas in order to retake Burao and Hargeisa, although there were no SNM combatants there.

U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), SOMALIA: Observations Regarding the Northern Conflict and Resulting Conditions.

-Under the Geneva convention these types of attacks are indiscriminate and Afweyne, under international law, was obliged to protect civilian lives but he didn't because his goal was to wipe out Isaaq civilians not save them as you can see in the quotation above.

-Here we got another quotation that describes how Afweyne's regime evacuated non Isaaq civilians in order to maximize the death and destruction.

The government used loudspeakers to sort the civilians out into Darood and Isaak. They would shout, ''Who's is from Galkayo? Mogadishu? Las Anod, Garoe?''[Non-Isaak territory]. They appealed to the non-Isaaks to leave so they could burn the town and all those who remained behind. Most of the people from these towns left; the government provided them with transportation.

Human Right Watch - A government at war with its own people.

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Economic punishment and government policies.

-The accounts of an Isaaq businesswoman interviewed by the HRW, who was the manager of Oriental Hotel in Hargeisa and her encounter with Afweyne Barre in Mogadishu after being detained by the NSS simply because her late father's business was profitable.

Eventually, I was taken to see the President. The President started talking politics straight away. He launched into an attack against Isaaks and against me. He had no kind words to say in spite of our ordeal. He commented, ''What you Isaaks deserve is not be detained but shot on the spot after you commit such offenses''. I asked him, ''what have we done?'' I said I was not aware of aything illegal that I had done. He emphasized, again and again, the ''arrogance'' of the Isaaks.

- The quote above reminds me of that humiliation study posted by a former snetter that describes how Afweyne, the former Italian Zaptie not even a real military soldier, felt humiliated at the hands of Isaaq generals trained at the Royal Military Academy of Sandhurst in his early days, which lead to his pathologic hatred for the Isaaq clan. Eventough one can say that all Darood suffer from pathologic hatred because of their inferiority complex nonetheless..

Isaak businessmen, both in the north and in the south, suffered from discriminatory practices. Lines of credit at state banks were severely restricted, which was a major blow to businessmen as there are no private banks in Somalia. No Isaak could participate on equal footing in government tenders. No Isaak businessmen could obtain loans from banks, unless this was facilitated by a non-Isaak crony of the authority.

Isaaks in Mogadishu were also at a severe disadvantage. She describe the example of Hashi Afboor, who tried to obtain money from his bank account in Mogadishu in 1986. He was told he could withdraw the amount he requested on condition that he gave four non-Isaak men the money with which to start business.

In the marketplace in Hargeisa, women who had sewing machines had to pay 10 shillings a day and 3,000 shilling every six months. Even women selling milk did not escape. They paid 10 shillings for the spot on the ground that each container occupied and 3,000 shillings every six months. Of course, all these regulation affected principally the Isaaks. When the odd non-Isaak was affected, once it was established that they were not Isaaks, he or she would be compensated.

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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The regime's policies

A confidential report from General Morgan to President Barre leaked to the international press in February 1987 detalied the policies that Morgan had been implementing to ''liquadate'' what he referred to as the ''Isaak problem'' and which he was recommending to the president. The measures spelled out in the letter included confiscating the property of Isaaks and redistributing their wealth; suspending their business licences; freezing the bank accounts of Isaak businessmen and destroying their businesses by giving opportunities to non-Isaaks; purging Isaaks from all sensitive government positions; accelerating the enrollment of the children of the refugees into local schools in order to ensure a ''balance''; relocating villages, destroying water reservoirs and resettling Ethiopian refugees on Isaak territory.

The government had at its disposal, a formidable array of extra-legal sanctions that it used to wage a more subtle kind of political warfare. A system known as ''Isaak Extermination'' (''Dabar Goynta Isaaka'') was put into effect.

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The war against Isaaq nomads

Dabar Goynta Isaaka (''The Isaak Exterminators''), a well-mechanized section of the army which consisted entirely of non Isaaks, widely regarded as one of the most abusive forces engaged in counter-insurgency activities, was responsible for ''dealing'' with the nomads. They, and other branches of the military terrorized the countryside.

In late June or early July 1987, the governor of Las Anod was killed by the SNM. The military demanded that Isaaks civilians living in the region pay 120 camels ''in exchange'', although they had nothing to do with the killing.

Whenever the military suffered a defeat in an encounter with the SNM, they killed some nomads in the area. Then they brought their dead bodies to towns, saying, ''We have killed some Ethiopians - come and see for yourselves''

When confronted by the military, nomads would be extravagantly generous, hoping that would appease their ''guests'' and they would be left in peace. At the end of 1987, some soldiers visited Aw Harrir Nur. He was very hospitable. They repaid him by raping his daughter and ill treating his wife. When he protested, they beat him.

In January 1989, Community Aid Abroad, an Australian agency operating in the Sanaag region reported that:
Widespread massacre occured after 2 soldiers were blown up with a landmine in Elafweyn District. In reprisal the military commander of Sanaag ordered the deaths of 200 nomands. One hundred and three men, women and children were slaughtered the following day.

Nomads arrested in the countryside were brought to Hargeisa to be executed. These poor people would be forced to wear whar the government described as ''SNM uniforms'' and were paraded in the National Theater.

In August 1985, an army truck was blown up on a two mile feeder road that connected the main asphalt road to the military barracks near Arabsiyo. The driver was killed. The army responded with massive retaliation against the residents living within 30 kilometers of the area; many residents were shot, livestock confiscated and many huts butned.

After spending so much money in constructing reservoirs, the owners were often not even allowed to drink from them, never mind their animals. If there were soldiers living in the aream the reservoirs became theirs

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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Rape as weapon of war,

Rape by soldiers became common. It was particularly frequent in the countryside. Those who could send a daughter out of the country did so.

Often, when they came to search houses, they raped any attractive woman they saw, saying, ''Instead of giving birth to a ''qurmis'', I will force her to have a pro-government bastard. It's better than what they give birth to anyway''. Isaak men would constantly be told, ''Go and get those prostitutes of yours'' - meaning their sisters and daughters.

They would kick the man out of the house and soldiers forced him to remain outside while the women were raped by other soldiers. Just to humiliate the men, they did no even spare the old women. Sometimes women were gang-raped. This is really what made the SNM expand. So many storekeepers, traders and tea shop owners just locked up and left to join the SNM, feeling that they couldn't just sit around watching this happen to their wives daughters, sisters and the relatives of their friends and neighbors.

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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Destroying the social fabric and basic elements of the society,

It got to a point that the people of the region became invisible, no matter what their qualifications or qualities. They were worse off than foreigners; they became a people with no rights in their own country. Every group was encouraged to watch over the others, as the only way to protect themselves. It destroyed community life. Neighbors became suspicious of each other.

Education deteriorated year after year. After only two hours at schools, the teachers would leave. Those were the conscientious ones. The other simply never turned up. The students could see that both the living confitions and the political situation were getting worse every year. Soldiers came to the schools with the their tanks and fired into the air. Students ran and then they would be arrested and beaten. Those who really could not tolerate the situation left to join the SNM

HRW - A government at war with its own people.

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[Murax]

Anyways this is the Somaliland section and I'll respect that. Was just giving My opinions I don't understand Why We can't have simple, mature dialogue without personal attacks. Anyways cafis.

[Rambie]

We are acting nice right now because we know Issaq has the upper hand but when we get the chance again we will use the National army to remove you from Sanaag I am proud we were the ones exposing SNM homes to the Kacaan army..... Even If I get future Issaq children I will poison them that is how much hate is burning inside me.... I have some Issaq neighbors who always greets me with a smile and I smile fake back again but inside I hate them....

You're Shaytan

[Xildiiid]

Crime what crime , nobody would listen to you , untill you achnowlege other people who are not your qabiil were victims as well , where the people who commited the crimes were Isaaq millatery officers who were in the millatery.

Prove it, Darood always state that Isaaq committed crimes against others but prove it.


On the contrary, there are two major reports written by the Human Rights Watch and the US government's accountability office (GAO). The reports descriptively state the regimes extermination policy and the paramilitary units like the "Dabar goynta Isaaqa", HANGASH etc.