Do somalis have ceeb culture?

[SonofANomad]

My bad, didn't have the time to look over the video. Anyway, my point was it doesn't matter if women make more or less than men when white people as a collective ( both white men and white men) on average make more than every other racial groups except for Asians. Modern feminism is about championing white women's causes. It offers nothing to me as a Somali/Muslim woman.

Maybe ur right! it might as well come down to working hours and proffesion! it might be that asians earn more becuz of work ethic longer hours and higher degrees and higher paying jobs!

To be frankly honest as a somali & muslim we would earn less due to solely on our religious name & social status as somalis! sucks!

[Cherine]

lol

cherine, check د محمد هداية, lool kafaroh wa la3anook. he is logawi but will give your brain little teaser.

i listen to his program and interviews. worse than dr. adnaan.


just check him.

Another one? Allah yibaarik we yizeed


On a serious note how is he worse than Dr Adnaan?

[Hyperactive]

he talks about many controversial issues that majority scolars /people dont want to talk about it or even touch it. opens loads of cans full of worms.

i like him more than i like Dr.Adaan. simple things he has more credibility in "my opinion" than dr. Adnaan. for once he is very known lughawi who knows much what he is talking about.

eitherways, many well knows scolars dont like him. i like him. gives me little brain teaser than rest of them.

now i am listening his program روائع التفسير very thoughful and you feel he put a lot of work in to his researchs and founding.

[Cherine]

Thanks hyper i will definitely check him out

[Kaafiye]

SaciidAyanleh, you have some of the most warped opinions of anyone I've ever seen. The fact that you're even defending these characters is showing the depth of your depravity

[Cherine]

This will come in handy inshallah for Ramadann thanks for recommending him . I'm also planning to read a book on Islam by Charles Le Gai Eaton. My second book by him, i love this author ilaahay u naxariisto amiin.

I used to spend my Ramadans watching mosalsalaat but in the last few years i've ditched that habit alhamdullilah and i can't wait for this Ramadan first ever with akal si77i. InshaAllah everything goes smoothly

[Hyperactive]

lol@mosalsalat, a lot of women complain about watching mosalsalat and/or spending their time in the kitchen. can you believe ramadan lost its meaning in muslim countries? its all about sahraat , khaymaat ramadaniya, shopping, eating more than rest of year , sleeping all day.. etc.

wallah lost the meaning in muslims. Allahuma a3ina qimel lail wa siyaam the way He wanted.

[Cherine]

^Amiin

It's so sad, i hate how commercialised its become.

[Buraanbur]

Saciid,
Are you making sound arguments by giving Ms. Hoejabi the benefit of the doubt while painting all Somalis with one brush? You say "the point is to be controversial".. Being controversial as a means to an end is one thing, but what is their point? They're being controversial for the sake of being controversial. It's one thing to say that women's clothing should not be policed, but being a hijabi who proudly gives bjs in public achieves what exactly? You can't be serious. You want to talk about making sound arguments and here you are arguing for the right of some undercover thot to give head in a hijab.

Again, there you go assuming. I never once said "twitter 'activists' are working towards ending these serious issues," I find all of social media to be vapid and self-serving, from celebrities to activists to authors to academics to world leaders to corporations to NGOs etc etc.

Also, these characters are extremely secular or agnostic/atheistic. To them, this is not a conversation about religion but rather a conversation about liberalism; however, the discussion cannot be entirely removed from a religious framework. So your outrage over a girl talking about fellatio in a hijab - which, in the West, isn't all that shocking - only resonates with a religion-over-everything-else crowd such as this site. Call me a kafir if you like, I am team Leftist, team Reformation.

Men and women the world over are held to different standards when it comes to sex and sexuality. Is it right? No. Do I agree with it? Of course no. But this is not a Somali issue, it's a global one so why target Somalis? We can all play this little game. It's women who take their daughters to get mutilated, it's women who perform/profit off of FGM, it's women who shame other women from reporting rape, it's women who take their drug dealing or gay son to Africa to marry under-aged girls etc. Painting Somali men in a certain light while making Somali women out to be saints achieves nothing.

Ok, male dominance/female subjugation is the long-standing paradigm of human society. It is only natural, if the overwhelming majority of society subscribes to this paradigm, that women would be active actors in their own subjugation. And as the dominant gender, it is up to men to question their position and their concept of gender roles.

These same chicks are the type to come at a Somali female who doesn't agree with them with the same racist and sexist insults non-Somalis use against Somali females ( i.e. 'if you don't agree with me why don't you go back to Somalia and get mutilated you suugo smelling Maryan' lol).

Again, I am only defending their right to express their opinions.

I won't stand for these females with obvious issues, many ( I never said all) from troubled backgrounds, insulting Somali men when I was raised by one. Find me one person from that crowd who was raised in a normal, tolerant, environment and a two parent household? I know you will hard-pressed to find even one.

Again, that is no argument. "I got an anecdote, how about you?"

So basically you support them being controversial for the sake of controversy regardless of the impact/consequences. Okay.

[SaciidAyanleh]

So basically you support them being controversial for the sake of controversy regardless of the impact/consequences. Okay.

[Kaafiye]

So basically you support them being controversial for the sake of controversy regardless of the impact/consequences. Okay.

Let me say it in a less polite way, since everyone on this forum is too cordial/polite to tell you the truth:

We find you disgusting, including your morals/values and the way you look at the world. You slyly attempt to normalize your warped values, and then pass it off to the Somali community. Kindly exit this thread because you've shown your true colors here SaciidAyanleh

[Buraanbur]

So basically you support them being controversial for the sake of controversy regardless of the impact/consequences. Okay.

It would do you some good to read what you just posted. I am bored of your assumptions, circular reasoning and obvious white-knighting. It was a wrap when you told me to go ahead and call you a kafir like I'm some Salafi/Takfiri, which is exactly what I was arguing against in this very topic.

[SaciidAyanleh]

Let me say it in a less polite way, since everyone on this forum is too cordial/polite to tell you the truth:

We find you disgusting, including your morals/values and the way you look at the world. You slyly attempt to normalize your warped values, and then pass it off to the Somali community. Kindly exit this thread because you've shown your true colors here SaciidAyanleh

I know a number of people find your racism, anti-minority views disgusting you've toned it down recently so you don't get banned, good on you

It would do you some good to read what you just posted. I am bored of your assumptions, circular reasoning and obvious white-knighting. It was a wrap when you told me to go ahead and call you a kafir like I'm some Salafi/Takfiri, which is exactly what I was arguing against in this very topic.

K girl, it was wrap when you demonstrated you didn't understand that women play active roles in upholding patriarchy.

[waayeel101]

سبحان الله احد يشوف عدنان. ما بدي اكفره او اقول انه زنديق بس اقل ما يقال عنه شخص مرائي
اسهل شيء اثارة الفتن او اتباع ما تشابه.
محمد هداية مو احسن منه
hyper, be careful. yanay inantan ku lug goynin. wasiyati lek.

[boredgirl]

She's projecting the life led by her Salafi parents onto the rest of us. I have never experienced this in my life, nor have my sisters, female cousins, or aunts. I bet if we look into the families of these twitter Somali feminists, they all have mothers who wear burqas who probably then forced them to cover before they even understood what a hijab symbolized and absentee dads ( probably with multiple wives). I know this is true for Riya and a few other Somali twitter feminists.

Instead of projecting her issues onto the whole community, she needs to address the issues that exist within her own family because this "ceeb" culture exists in HER environment. It took her 10+ years to tell them she was raped because of the "ceeb" culture that exists in her family. Her family were also the ones who pressured her to take down the video. I don't see how this is about our community as a whole?

Buranbur, PREACH!!! I am a Somali female in the west too, I always say these wack ass chicks are typically from Salafi households where they slapped a jilbab on poor ol girl at the ripe old age of 2. Just because they had an upbringing where they were strictly controlled does not mean the rest of us did as well, and are therefore supposed to rebel against our deen and dhaqan.
My major issue with this girl besides her blatant Somali and deen bashing is the fact she complains all the time and wants to blame her lack of talent (what is it that she actually does?) on everytttthing and everyone else but herself. Maybe you just aren't that great, maybe it isn't patriarchy (or whatever buzzword she learned) holding her back. Truth be told she really is in the minority of Somali female thinking, I only worry about the impressionable youngins on Twitter that she wants to convince.