“I’m not black,” they would say, “I’m Somali

[Ismail87]

Somalis in North America that claim black or get offended when a fellow Somalis says "i am not black" have identity issues. Simple as that they can cry all they want about being denied their blackness whatever that means.

We are not the only group that refuses to be identified as black look at every other africans that migrated to North America. Nigerians,Sudanese Ethiopians and so on all refuse to be categorized or label as blacks. You hear time after time "i am african" We don't share anything with the blacks or african american or whatever you want to call them.

Jews in America don't want to label caucasians. Arabs don't want to be labeled as caucasians that they are petitioning the US census bureau to add new category so they don't get grouped together with somebody they have nothing in common with.

Now the United States Census Bureau is testing a new category, “Middle East-North Africa” or MENA, in response to more than three decades of lobbying by Arab American organizations for a designation that better represents them. The testing, to start in September, will refine wording and sub-categories for the 2020 census. Nineteen options will be offered under the MENA designation, among them Israeli and Palestinian, as well as Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Turkish, Iranian, Moroccan and Algerian. Even Sudanese and Somali are being considered.

This really makes my day. I am definitely going to select MENA in the forms that come on my way when it is official. The work has already been done for people like me. If Sudanese can be considered as members pf MENA, so is Udun and all like minded Somalis. While I was defending my MENA brothers and sisters in many forums, including SNET, my Arab American brothers and sisters have been doing the real work behind the scene to get the Arab and Muslim people in the Middle East, North Africa, and Horn of Africa (Somalis and Sudanese only btw) considered as a distinct society in the USA. It couldn't be better. My work has already been done for me. We're associated with the MENA region whether you like it or not. If some of you disagree with me, I don't care. I will not care and I will not believe any thing you say!

So dad madow ah baad ka cararaysaa, carabna waad isku dhejin? WE are not from the MENA.

[Ismail87]

@Kafiye & co. Relax, she is trolling you guys

I want to be taken seriously for once. Please, don't call me a troll. I am not.

Quite hard to do that with your track record

[TheMightyNomad]

Nomaad: Your sense of self is only a label or social construct. You are the soul, you are the consciousness. You are nothingness.

There is difference! Clan & the somali name for instance is a social construct created by my own ancestors while Black is an english foreign european construct & invalid one!

race is not a social construct its a biological reality and not human created concept or ideology! therefore we are not the same race as AA's

i Am somali becuz that is my language my culture my nationality & my ethnicity 100% created by my forefathers!

Black is something reserved for the adoons in america and its something that has nothing to do with a somali nor do i have to identify with it!

but keep trolling robotic! ive seen you on every forum saying the opposite of what others want to hear only to revoke a reaction & annoy people!

[TheMightyNomad]

I am black and proud

Please just stick to being a Land Rover!

[Robotic]

Nomaad: Your sense of self is only a label or social construct. You are the soul, you are the consciousness. You are nothingness.

There is difference! Clan & the somali name for instance is a social construct created by my own ancestors while Black is an english foreign european construct & invalid one!

race is not a social construct its a biological reality and not human created concept or ideology! therefore we are not the same race as AA's

i Am somali becuz that is my language my culture my nationality & my ethnicity 100% created by my forefathers!

Black is something reserved for the adoons in america and its something that has nothing to do with a somali nor do i have to identify with it!

but keep trolling robotic! ive seen you on every forum saying the opposite of what others want to hear only to revoke a reaction & annoy people!

Everything is a social construct, really. You can't accept one label and disregard others. Nopp, it doesn't work that way.

Wallahi I am not trolling. Why are some of you so fast calling people trolls just because they don't agree with you?

[TATI]

Even tho we share the same skin colour we (real africans) are not black or as I like to say "lost africans". They get offended if you refer to them as "African-American" they also get offended if an east african calls themselves black . Like wtf these ppl hate us bcuz we know are roots.

A blk man came up to me once n asked why we africans think we are better then them...he said something like "yall come here and drive cabs and clean toilets & yall think you're better then us!?!". Lawd, I didn't even know how to respond to that..

p.s didnt read topic just wanted to add that

it is explained here walaal


read the bottom part compared to other africans somalis know who they are and where they came from! They have self-respect!
This is truly offensive to the adoons in the americas and other africans! They are so weakminded lost in all aspect of a human being when they are confronted with people who know theyre roots and know theyre ancestors & who have an identity it becomes threatening to them!

We have a sense of self and they dont that is why the jareers hate us! You wont see other groups or ethnicities react to us the same way!
You wont see other ethnic groups sniffing around to see who thinks he is better than me!

sense of self it all makes sense dude thank u.. I don't care about negros or what they think anyway. okie dokie

p.s I meant "our" I hate when that happens..ugh

ok.

[gegiroor]

This really makes my day. I am definitely going to select MENA in the forms that come on my way when it is official. The work has already been done for people like me. If Sudanese can be considered as members pf MENA, so is Udun and all like minded Somalis. While I was defending my MENA brothers and sisters in many forums, including SNET, my Arab American brothers and sisters have been doing the real work behind the scene to get the Arab and Muslim people in the Middle East, North Africa, and Horn of Africa (Somalis and Sudanese only btw) considered as a distinct society in the USA. It couldn't be better. My work has already been done for me. We're associated with the MENA region whether you like it or not. If some of you disagree with me, I don't care. I will not care and I will not believe any thing you say!

So dad madow ah baad ka cararaysaa, carabna waad isku dhejin? WE are not from the MENA.

Do you know Horn of Africa is part of the North Eastern Africa region? In my Geography class in Somalia, that is exactly what I had learned. Fyi, MENA stands for Middle East and North Africa.

The lobby of Arab Americans here is to identify who they are without being lumped to any group. My preference is a lobby that identifies me as a Somali in the US census; however, if that is not gonna happen, I will check the MENA check box when it becomes official.

[theyuusuf143]

Gegi

Sanaag does not locate in middle east or north africa. You are from east/horn of africa and you are Somali,african black kablalax. Abti hayska waalin yaan algerianku kugu qosline.

[TheMightyNomad]

Gegi

Sanaag does not locate in middle east or north africa. You are from east/horn of africa and you are Somali,african black kablalax. Abti hayska waalin yaan algerianku kugu qosline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Africa

Northeast Africa is a general region in Africa

It may refer to all or some of the following areas:

Countries within Northeast Africa.
Northern East Africa (Horn of Africa)
Djibouti
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Somalia
Eastern North Africa
Egypt
Sudan


Countries within Northeast Africa

The Greater Middeleast


I am only Somali! nothing else!

[theyuusuf143]

Both ethiopia and the Somali peninsula are not part of north africa. We are east african especifically horn african. This is disgrace. We first changed some our roots and claimed carab and now some of us are changing DIRECTIONS to get more closer to carab countries. waar sida aynu issu dhaano dulli alle idin badye. Black buu ka carayaa Markaasuu MENA wax loogu yeedho uu hada google ku arkay sheeganayaa.

[SomaliWarSavage]

claiming black is the same as claiming arab. both are wrong , both are offensive.

[gacankudhiigle]

claiming black is the same as claiming arab. both are wrong , both are offensive.

these people claiming to be black are no different than somalis who claim to descend from banu hashim. they're all the same.

[Kaafiye]

claiming black is the same as claiming arab. both are wrong , both are offensive.

these people claiming to be black are no different than somalis who claim to descend from banu hashim. they're all the same.

Exactly. Arab-wannabes are no different from Madow-wannabes. They're all the same.

[Sophisticate]

Why many Somalis don't consider themselves black?

They feel the label does not include them. Many recent African immigrants wish to dissociate from the term. In Toronto, black has become synonymous with Jamaicaness. In the US, black is synonymous with African Americans. It's only natural that Africans, which are a heterogeneous group, would not feel included in this label, since they don't have a similar worldview and culture. Moreover, Somalis
do not want their culture, heritage, language, ancestry and historic legacy obscured with a larger group of people they share little in common with. Dare I say, people from the continent of Africa never had this conception of "blackness". It's a foreign term. Black in reference to who, or what? Rather many nations within the continent self-identify narrowly based on their cultural and ancestral heritage. They don't tend to have a bonding moment with each other because they come from the same landmass. Pan-African is a new concept, historically various African groups fought one another. In fact, some groups have had their populations decimated by other "African groups". There was never a brotherliness, and there isn't today. At face value black is a benign term. However, in the English language it is viewed pejoratively and associated with malice, death and fear of the unknown. Black has no such meaning in our cultural context, nor do we apply it to ourselves. Rather blackness as it relates to an experience is often linked to those from the posterity of the transatlantic slave trade, that reside in South, Central and North America. Even with them there is no consensus on blackness. The way a Brazilian, Jamaican, Haitian and African American see themselves is different, and reflective of their respective cultures/heritage. In North America, blackness is only unifying insofar as it is a shared experience of
marginalization by people of African-decent and is associated with resilience in the face of institutional discrimination. Somalis are only situationally black when they are referring to someone as 'raciiiist'. And even then it's normally within the purview of their culture, faith and ethnicity, which they feel the discrimination emanates from. Ask them if they are black, and most will say I'm Somali.

[Grant]

Somalis are the same Berber people as those in Morocco:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics

"E1b1b1b1(E-M81), formerly E1b1b1b, E3b1b, and E3b2, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in Morocco, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. His parent clade E1b1b (E-M215) are believed to have first appeared in Horn of Africa about 22,400 years ago.[41][42] This haplogroup reaches a mean frequency of 85% In North Africa, decreasing in frequency from approximately 80% or more in some Moroccan Berber populations, including Saharawis, to approximately 10% to the east of this range in Egypt.[42][46] Because of its prevalence among these groups and also others such as Mozabite, Riffians, Chleuhs, Middle Atlas, Kabyle and other Berber groups, it is sometimes referred to as a genetic Berber marker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_ ... ber_people

"Because the Berbers were called Al-Barbar by the Arabs, the early modern Barbary seems to be a re-adoption of the name from Arabic.[citation needed] Muslim historiography has an eponymous Barbar as the ancestor of the Berbers, "the Berbers were the descendants of Barbar, the son of Tamalla, the son of Mazigh, the son of Canaan, the son of Ham, the son of Noah" (Ibn Khaldun, The History of Ibn Khaldun, Chapter 3).

Another people called Berbers by medieval Arab and ancient Greek geographers, respectively, were the ancestors of the Somalis. Barbara, an ancient region on the northern coast of Somalia was referred to as Bilad al-Barbar (Land of the Berbers).[3][4][5]"

From a genetic perspective, the Horn is part of North Africa.