Somalis universal sense of nobility closely related to their unbounded pride in their Somali-ness.

[Damat]

Got it.

You also indicated that western Kenyan Bantu and Nilotic populations (Luos/Luhyas) and coastal Kenyan groups (Mijikenda) have low to no Cushitic influence, whereas most central highland Kenyan populations (like Maasai and Samburu) have higher levels of such influence. Given this, what do you make of this new study, which found that around 50% of Turkana carried haplogroup E1b1b (use "+" and "Ctrl" to make the tree larger)?

Of those, around 33% of Turkana carried the V22 subclade. This E1b1b sublineage today peaks among the Cushitic-speaking Saho of Eritrea. It would thus appear that the Turkana's Nilotic ancestors absorbed some of the Eastern Cushites that built the ancient Namoratunga megalithic structures in northwestern Kenya, shortly after these early Afro-Asiatic peoples had migrated down from the Horn region.

Also notice how around 22% of Tutsis were found to carry the M293 subclade of E1b1b. This, in turn, suggests that they absorbed some Southern ‎Cushites since M293 is the signature Southern ‎Cushite E1b1b sublineage.

Turkanas seem to have omotic blood. There is really very little difference between Turkanas & the people of Gambela.
But I think that sample size may represent one clan.

[gobdoon]

I dont what you guys are arguing about and what is all the the white man , europian , anglo saxon to him you are all somali maryooley or even black african so relax and dont give yourselves H. Blood presure and heart attach.

[Bilis]

I dont what you guys are arguing about and what is all the the white man , europian , anglo saxon to him you are all somali maryooley or even black african so relax and dont give yourselves H. Blood presure and heart attach.

A person can think that he/she (or others) is a unicorn, but that doesn't make it so.

That said, please read this (page 76) and this sxb.

[Bilis]

Turkanas seem to have omotic blood. There is really very little difference between Turkanas & the people of Gambela.
But I think that sample size may represent one clan.

Yeah, it seems so.

[educatedfool]

[ValleyBeast]

Hi! I am new here but I have been visiting this site on & off for like 1 year now. I have many Somali friends,I like the topics here but can't help noticing some of you like to inter-change the word Kenyan with Kikuyu freely as if 90% of Kenyans are Kikuyus. Fellas Kikuyus are 19% of the population of Kenya, that means 81% of the Kenyans you see are non-Kikuyus, get that? Plus when talking about KDF, all Kenyans know Kikuyus have always been very under-represented in the army & police since independence here is a reference. Kenyans laugh at Kikuyus being skinny & weak, on the other hand, people from Western Kenya are like West Africans, strong & stout, good for the army/rugby team. By the way I am not a Kikuyu, infact I don't like them (they think they are superior to everyone) but I prefer Kikuyus to Western Kenyans, infact if you ask any Kikuyu they will say they hate Western Kenyans more than al shabaab. Kikuyus refer to Luos/Luhyas & Kalenjins as Hutus. When I say Western Kenyans I am not talking about Western Province only but all the tribes from Western Kenya like Luos/Luhyas/Kisii/Kalenjin. Kibaki became president only because Luos chose him. You can look this shit up on google "2002-Raila chooses Kibaki". Raila was & still is the King of the Opposition & Western Kenya, when he chooses someone its a done deal but Uhuru Kenyatta managed to beat him in 2013 because Kalenjins chose Uhuru to spite Luos for snitching them to the ICC. Uhuru also got votes from pastoralists to edge out Raila. The point I am getting at here is Kikuyus don't have the luxury to select some charming candidate that doesn't have support from Western Kenya. Western Kenyans are the majority. You have to form a coalition with atleast one of the Western Kenyan tribes to be president, in 2007 Kibaki tried ignoring Western Kenyans & got punished for that.
And whats up with this Tutsi thing? Someone like Kagame wouldn't stand out in Kenya, people would assume he is a Kikuyu or something. Tutsis can fit anywhere among highland/plains tribes that border cushitic speakers in Kenya (Samburus, Kikuyus) Anyone thats been to Kenya would know there are more Kikuyus that look like Kagame than all Tutsis, Banyamulenge, Hima whatever combined. The only reason folks are exposed to different kinds of Tutsis is because alot of tutsis, especially elite tutsis, relocated to the West after the genocide.

Very few Maasai, Samburu, Nandi, etc. Nilotes look like that. Maybe 1 in 10,000 do.

This post is actually what made me create a account here. That look is totally common among Maasais & Samburus but not Nandis, I don't know why you would mention Nandis. Nandis are Kalenjin not one of the Moran people. Common dude, some Samburus are like 80% cushitic.


Damat first of all, Kalenjin see the Agikuyu, Abagusii, Abaluhya as the same thing. Secondly, Kalenjin has sub tribes. If you lived in the South Rift you'll notice that the Kipsigis, have quite a number of light skins and a few with curly hair. Kipsigis have clans and some are from absorbed Bantus like Abagusii and that is why you see some with Bantu features. Kalenjin are proud and they have never seen any Bantu as better than them as you try to claim. I come from a clan of tall Kalenjin men with lean bodies and straight hair and everyone in the family is light skinned. In fact the Kalenjin usually make fun of the Agikuyu that their men are weak and beaten by their wives. They also feel like the Agikuyu are useless without them. No Nilotic group has ever looked up to their Bantu neighbors as you seem to suggest but rather looked down upon. The purest Kalenjins are tall lean and have ink colored skin like the south Sudanese and most of these Kalenjin Bantu descendants try to fit in their shoes.

[Damat]

Damat first of all, Kalenjin see the Agikuyu, Abagusii, Abaluhya as the same thing. Secondly, Kalenjin has sub tribes. If you lived in the South Rift you'll notice that the Kipsigis, have quite a number of light skins and a few with curly hair. Kipsigis have clans and some are from absorbed Bantus like Abagusii and that is why you see some with Bantu features. Kalenjin are proud and they have never seen any Bantu as better than them as you try to claim. I come from a clan of tall Kalenjin men with lean bodies and straight hair and everyone in the family is light skinned. In fact the Kalenjin usually make fun of the Agikuyu that their men are weak and beaten by their wives. They also feel like the Agikuyu are useless without them. No Nilotic group has ever looked up to their Bantu neighbors as you seem to suggest but rather looked down upon. The purest Kalenjins are tall lean and have ink colored skin like the south Sudanese and most of these Kalenjin Bantu descendants try to fit in their shoes.

I don't know what you are talking about? No where did I mention kalenjins look up to Kikuyus. In fact I mentioned that kalenjins put Uhuru in power. So gusii, Kikuyus and abaluhya are the same to you lol.. Kikuyus see kalenjins Luos and South Sudanese as the same people.. hahaha.

[ValleyBeast]

Damat first of all, Kalenjin see the Agikuyu, Abagusii, Abaluhya as the same thing. Secondly, Kalenjin has sub tribes. If you lived in the South Rift you'll notice that the Kipsigis, have quite a number of light skins and a few with curly hair. Kipsigis have clans and some are from absorbed Bantus like Abagusii and that is why you see some with Bantu features. Kalenjin are proud and they have never seen any Bantu as better than them as you try to claim. I come from a clan of tall Kalenjin men with lean bodies and straight hair and everyone in the family is light skinned. In fact the Kalenjin usually make fun of the Agikuyu that their men are weak and beaten by their wives. They also feel like the Agikuyu are useless without them. No Nilotic group has ever looked up to their Bantu neighbors as you seem to suggest but rather looked down upon. The purest Kalenjins are tall lean and have ink colored skin like the south Sudanese and most of these Kalenjin Bantu descendants try to fit in their shoes.

I don't know what you are talking about? No where did I mention kalenjins look up to Kikuyus. In fact I mentioned that kalenjins put Uhuru in power. So gusii, Kikuyus and abaluhya are the same to you lol.. Kikuyus see kalenjins Luos and South Sudanese as the same people.. hahaha.

Kipsigis and Maasai were initially Cushitic. The Datoga are an extension of Kipsigis in Tanzania and have only about 10-15% Nilo Saharan then more of Bantu with their Cushitic peaking at 68%. We borrowed Nilotic words and pronounciactions but retained a lot of Cushitic words similar to Borana/Oromo. We migrated into Northern Kenya to Central Kenya then Western Kenya and absorbed Nilotes who were closely related to Turkana and Luo. The Marakwet are a good example. Nandi absorbed a lot of Luhya. Kikuyu got their Cushitic admixture mostly from Maasai and cluster with Luhya, Gusii, Hutu and all other Bantu groups. They only recently mixed. Using the term "Kalenjin" is vague when describing a certain ethnicity. But fact is Kikuyu are much more similar to Hutu fighting against taller Maasai and Kipsigis. Genetic tests show Tutsi cluster with Maasai and the Datoga (kipsigis). Kikuyu usually hate Somali businessmen. Any Kenyan knows that majority of robbers are Kikuyu. (Mungiki gang)
Kikuyu language is similar to Luhya and Gusii. Get your facts right

[mwaura]

Hi! I am new here but I have been visiting this site on & off for like 1 year now. I have many Somali friends,I like the topics here but can't help noticing some of you like to inter-change the word Kenyan with Kikuyu freely as if 90% of Kenyans are Kikuyus. Fellas Kikuyus are 19% of the population of Kenya, that means 81% of the Kenyans you see are non-Kikuyus, get that? Plus when talking about KDF, all Kenyans know Kikuyus have always been very under-represented in the army & police since independence here is a reference. Kenyans laugh at Kikuyus being skinny & weak, on the other hand, people from Western Kenya are like West Africans, strong & stout, good for the army/rugby team. By the way I am not a Kikuyu, infact I don't like them (they think they are superior to everyone) but I prefer Kikuyus to Western Kenyans, infact if you ask any Kikuyu they will say they hate Western Kenyans more than al shabaab. Kikuyus refer to Luos/Luhyas & Kalenjins as Hutus. When I say Western Kenyans I am not talking about Western Province only but all the tribes from Western Kenya like Luos/Luhyas/Kisii/Kalenjin. Kibaki became president only because Luos chose him. You can look this shit up on google "2002-Raila chooses Kibaki". Raila was & still is the King of the Opposition & Western Kenya, when he chooses someone its a done deal but Uhuru Kenyatta managed to beat him in 2013 because Kalenjins chose Uhuru to spite Luos for snitching them to the ICC. Uhuru also got votes from pastoralists to edge out Raila. The point I am getting at here is Kikuyus don't have the luxury to select some charming candidate that doesn't have support from Western Kenya. Western Kenyans are the majority. You have to form a coalition with atleast one of the Western Kenyan tribes to be president, in 2007 Kibaki tried ignoring Western Kenyans & got punished for that.
And whats up with this Tutsi thing? Someone like Kagame wouldn't stand out in Kenya, people would assume he is a Kikuyu or something. Tutsis can fit anywhere among highland/plains tribes that border cushitic speakers in Kenya (Samburus, Kikuyus) Anyone thats been to Kenya would know there are more Kikuyus that look like Kagame than all Tutsis, Banyamulenge, Hima whatever combined. The only reason folks are exposed to different kinds of Tutsis is because alot of tutsis, especially elite tutsis, relocated to the West after the genocide.

Very few Maasai, Samburu, Nandi, etc. Nilotes look like that. Maybe 1 in 10,000 do.

This post is actually what made me create a account here. That look is totally common among Maasais & Samburus but not Nandis, I don't know why you would mention Nandis. Nandis are Kalenjin not one of the Moran people. Common dude, some Samburus are like 80% cushitic. Maasais even discriminate against some of their own because many maasias are not real maasais but clans from other tribes that made linguistic shifts to Maasai, they even have a caste-system, you can look this stuff up. 60% of maasais look like


There is no point posting examples of Kikuyus because I will be here all day, just give this link a visit.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showth ... e-of-Kenya

Okay I need to go, just be aware there is a difference between Maasai/Samburu and other nilotes & there is an even bigger difference between Kikuyus and other Kenyan Bantus, this figure below of a study done by Iosif Lazaridis et al. 2013 doesn't come close to highlighting this big difference.

Very true! MSM history is nothing but BS. In the history of the world has another colonised people ever volunteered to pay tax to identify with their oppressor? Any Issaks in here,how did that work out for you?