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Kaafiye wrote:

SaciidAyanleh wrote:
If that's not placing blame entirely on "youth imitating AA culture," then you got me bro, I concede.


Children do not fail a society, society fails children.

Yes. It's Somali youth who imitate AA "gangsta" culture. The Somalis who stay away from this culture do far better than those who are involved in it. That's placing the blame on the Somali youth who followed this destructive path. So yes, I did place the blame at our own feet and this isn't the first time I've done this. This "gangsternimo" has ruined Somali boys in Canada and the fact that you make excuses for this behavior shows to me how despicable you are.

Just please stop talking. Just stop. I don't wanna hear it. I find you disgusting and please don't reply to me.

It's okay hommie, I just hope you never get into Public Service because you obviously have no understanding of what's wrong with your own community. Scapegoating will get you a seat at the fadhi ku dirir table you're destined for

Jaidi wrote: I don't know exactly what you're so outraged about It can be blamed for an extent of the problem but not the entirety of it as you claim. Exonerating a failing culture and community at large clearly suggests denial. Address the points I actually raised directly rather than carry on with your extreme hyperbole.

I get the sense you've either never been to the U.S. or are extremely sheltered. Have you ever actually met children of West African immigrants that you cite? The vast majority of the second generation West African kids in the States like hiphop in their youth and borrow many elements from black American culture, yet continue to fare much better than Somalis and do not kill each at large. Unless you directly address this divergence, Ill assume you're trolling for the crowd.

I can't believe I'm hearing this right now. West Africans---especially Nigerians---are some of the most educated people in North America. A sizeable majority of them are well-educated, are employed, and have low crime rates. The Somalis on the other hand are the complete opposite, where most of our boys fail to even graduate high-school in a timely fashion.

And I never said that it was to blame for the entirety of our problem. I said it's partially responsible for the high-crime rates of Somali boys. And I truly believe that it's the single biggest reason why our Somali boys are dying at such a high rate in Canada.

Kaafiye wrote:It's been said on this forum before by others, and it's still true today. Somali-Canadians are in an absolute mess, and it's partially due to our imitation of AA culture.

The second-generation West African kids who borrow a few elements of AA culture are not a problem, since they're smart enough not to imitate the destructive aspects of this AA "gangsta" culture. No one cares if some 18 year old kid wants to wear a gold chain, or if he cuts his hair a certain way, or if he listens to a certain type of music. What matters is BEHAVIOR and that's what we're talking about here.

SaciidAyanleh wrote: It's okay hommie, I just hope you never get into Public Service because you obviously have no understanding of what's wrong with your own community. Scapegoating will get you a seat at the fadhi ku dirir table you're destined for

Yes, I am indeed scapegoating Somalis for our own faults and bad behavior. That shouldn't be a surprise you troll.

Kaafiye wrote:

Jaidi wrote: I don't know exactly what you're so outraged about It can be blamed for an extent of the problem but not the entirety of it as you claim. Exonerating a failing culture and community at large clearly suggests denial. Address the points I actually raised directly rather than carry on with your extreme hyperbole.

I get the sense you've either never been to the U.S. or are extremely sheltered. Have you ever actually met children of West African immigrants that you cite? The vast majority of the second generation West African kids in the States like hiphop in their youth and borrow many elements from black American culture, yet continue to fare much better than Somalis and do not kill each at large. Unless you directly address this divergence, Ill assume you're trolling for the crowd.

I can't believe I'm hearing this right now. West Africans---especially Nigerians---are some of the most educated people in North America. A sizeable majority of them are well-educated, are employed, and have low crime rates. The Somalis on the other hand are the complete opposite, where most of our boys fail to even graduate high-school in a timely fashion.

And I never said that it was to blame for the entirety of our problem. I said it's partially responsible for the high-crime rates of Somali boys. And I truly believe that it's the single biggest reason why our Somali boys are dying at such a high rate in Canada.

Kaafiye wrote:It's been said on this forum before by others, and it's still true today. Somali-Canadians are in an absolute mess, and it's partially due to our imitation of AA culture.

The second-generation West African kids who borrow a few elements of AA culture are not a problem, since they're smart enough not to imitate the destructive aspects of this AA "gangsta" culture. No one cares if some 18 year old kid wants to wear a gold chain, or if he cuts his hair a certain way, or if he listens to a certain type of music. What matters is BEHAVIOR and that's what we're talking about here.

You seem to be confused. I am citing the West African immigrants as a positive example not a negative one. I am well aware they generally do well which is specifically why I brought them up to show the holes in your theory that it's all "adoon cultures" fault. The point is many second generation immigrants are influenced by AA culture and yet only Somalis are incredibly self-destructive from this group. Its quite clear that problems with Somali culture in the diaspora contribute to this. Even when they're not criminals, they're incredibly underperforming everywhere or even extremists.

Jaidi wrote:

Kaafiye wrote:

Jaidi wrote: I don't know exactly what you're so outraged about It can be blamed for an extent of the problem but not the entirety of it as you claim. Exonerating a failing culture and community at large clearly suggests denial. Address the points I actually raised directly rather than carry on with your extreme hyperbole.

I get the sense you've either never been to the U.S. or are extremely sheltered. Have you ever actually met children of West African immigrants that you cite? The vast majority of the second generation West African kids in the States like hiphop in their youth and borrow many elements from black American culture, yet continue to fare much better than Somalis and do not kill each at large. Unless you directly address this divergence, Ill assume you're trolling for the crowd.

I can't believe I'm hearing this right now. West Africans---especially Nigerians---are some of the most educated people in North America. A sizeable majority of them are well-educated, are employed, and have low crime rates. The Somalis on the other hand are the complete opposite, where most of our boys fail to even graduate high-school in a timely fashion.

And I never said that it was to blame for the entirety of our problem. I said it's partially responsible for the high-crime rates of Somali boys. And I truly believe that it's the single biggest reason why our Somali boys are dying at such a high rate in Canada.

Kaafiye wrote:It's been said on this forum before by others, and it's still true today. Somali-Canadians are in an absolute mess, and it's partially due to our imitation of AA culture.

The second-generation West African kids who borrow a few elements of AA culture are not a problem, since they're smart enough not to imitate the destructive aspects of this AA "gangsta" culture. No one cares if some 18 year old kid wants to wear a gold chain, or if he cuts his hair a certain way, or if he listens to a certain type of music. What matters is BEHAVIOR and that's what we're talking about here.

You seem to be confused. I am citing the West African immigrants as a positive example not a negative one. I am well aware they generally do well which is specifically why I brought them up to show the holes in your theory that it's all "adoon cultures" fault. The point is many second generation immigrants are influenced by AA culture and yet only Somalis are incredibly self-destructive from this group. Its quite clear that problems with Somali culture in the diaspora contribute to this. Even when they're not criminals, they're incredibly underperforming everywhere or even extremists.

West Africans have a completely different culture which doesn't allow for this. I was specifically talking about AA culture and not West African culture. Stop conflating two completely separate points. I know Ghanaians and Senegalese people who are strongly connected to their culture and community, and they generally prosper and do well in this country.

So regardless of whatever surrounds them, you won't see them behaving in a self-destructive manner. We fell into AA culture and completely bought into it. And it's simply due to our lack of leadership, lack of fathers, and lack of social cohesion which allows this dangerous culture to take hold in our youth. Come to Toronto, come to Edmonton, and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

Kaafiye wrote:

West Africans have a completely different culture which doesn't allow for this. I was specifically talking about AA culture and not West African culture. Stop conflating two completely separate points. I know Ghanaians and Senegalese people who are strongly connected to their culture and community, and they generally prosper and do well in this country.

So regardless of whatever surrounds them, you won't see them behaving in a self-destructive manner. We fell into AA culture and completely bought into it. And it's simply due to our lack of leadership, lack of fathers, and lack of social cohesion which allows this dangerous culture to take hold in our youth. Come to Toronto, come to Edmonton, and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

Kaayife plays the victimization card he loves to accuse AAs of playing, "Adoon Supremacy" . Don't forget the reason you're in these countries is because of self-destruction, seems like this gangster culture just struck a cord that already existed and couldn't be resisted

Saxony wrote:

Kaafiye wrote:

West Africans have a completely different culture which doesn't allow for this. I was specifically talking about AA culture and not West African culture. Stop conflating two completely separate points. I know Ghanaians and Senegalese people who are strongly connected to their culture and community, and they generally prosper and do well in this country.

So regardless of whatever surrounds them, you won't see them behaving in a self-destructive manner. We fell into AA culture and completely bought into it. And it's simply due to our lack of leadership, lack of fathers, and lack of social cohesion which allows this dangerous culture to take hold in our youth. Come to Toronto, come to Edmonton, and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

Kaayife plays the victimization card he loves to accuse AAs of playing, "Adoon Supremacy" . Don't forget the reason you're in these countries is because of self-destruction, seems like this gangster culture just struck a cord that already existed and couldn't be resisted

So if I choose to blame Somalis solely for our own issues, I'm playing the victimization card? I'm literally doing the complete opposite of victimization.

Go sit in the retard corner for 10 mins. You've said enough for today.

Good riddance

Saxony wrote:

Kaafiye wrote:

West Africans have a completely different culture which doesn't allow for this. I was specifically talking about AA culture and not West African culture. Stop conflating two completely separate points. I know Ghanaians and Senegalese people who are strongly connected to their culture and community, and they generally prosper and do well in this country.

So regardless of whatever surrounds them, you won't see them behaving in a self-destructive manner. We fell into AA culture and completely bought into it. And it's simply due to our lack of leadership, lack of fathers, and lack of social cohesion which allows this dangerous culture to take hold in our youth. Come to Toronto, come to Edmonton, and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

Kaayife plays the victimization card he loves to accuse AAs of playing, "Adoon Supremacy" . Don't forget the reason you're in these countries is because of self-destruction, seems like this gangster culture just struck a cord that already existed and couldn't be resisted

Agree very much with your last line.

Kaafiye,

I have to disagree with you sxb. While the adoption of AA culture is one of the signs that our community is disintegrating, it doesn't explain the disturbingly high violent crime rate among Somalis. I grew up with Habeshas and West Africans, and despite adopting AA culture (and some even engaging in drug dealing), their rates of violent crime are very low. I even knew some white washed Somalis who hung out with cadaans, and they're facing similar problems as their "madowbized" Somali counterparts. The only culture that's leading Somalis to slaughter one another is Somali culture. The culture of living in public housing/cheating the welfare system so you can save up to build a mansion in your native tuulo. The culture of not taking an active role in the upbringing of your children. The culture of denying there's a gang problem in the Somali community. The culture of hiding killers from the authorities. That is what's leading Somali youth to slaughter each other, not AA culture; because if that was the case you'd see other communities in the news as often as the Somali community. On my phone so excuse the typos

Jaidi,
You coming to the iftar on campus tonight?

Methylamine wrote:Kaafiye,

I have to disagree with you sxb. While the adoption of AA culture is one of the signs that our community is disintegrating, it doesn't explain the disturbingly high violent crime rate among Somalis. I grew up with Habeshas and West Africans, and despite adopting AA culture (and some even engaging in drug dealing), their rates of violent crime are very low. I even knew some white washed Somalis who hung out with cadaans, and they're facing similar problems as their "madowbized" Somali counterparts. The only culture that's leading Somalis to slaughter one another is Somali culture. The culture of living in public housing/cheating the welfare system so you can save up to build a mansion in your native tuulo. The culture of not taking an active role in the upbringing of your children. The culture of denying there's a gang problem in the Somali community. The culture of hiding killers from the authorities. That is what's leading Somali youth to slaughter each other, not AA culture; because if that was the case you'd see other communities in the news as often as the Somali community. On my phone so excuse the typos

Jaidi,
You coming to the iftar on campus tonight?

Your comment hit the nail on the head.

Kaafiye wrote:

SaciidAyanleh wrote: It's okay hommie, I just hope you never get into Public Service because you obviously have no understanding of what's wrong with your own community. Scapegoating will get you a seat at the fadhi ku dirir table you're destined for

Yes, I am indeed scapegoating Somalis for our own faults and bad behavior. That shouldn't be a surprise you troll.

"Somali youth are messed up because they adopt Adoon culture. How am I scapegoating if I blame the Somalis for accepting Adoon culture?"

Somalis should stay away from Alberta Canada. I haven't heard of Somalis being harmed in Eastern or Western Cansda. It's always the middle part.

Subaxaanalaah. War sidani caadi ma aha e dhalinta hala badbaadiyo.

SaciidAyanleh wrote:

Kaafiye wrote:

SaciidAyanleh wrote: It's okay hommie, I just hope you never get into Public Service because you obviously have no understanding of what's wrong with your own community. Scapegoating will get you a seat at the fadhi ku dirir table you're destined for

Yes, I am indeed scapegoating Somalis for our own faults and bad behavior. That shouldn't be a surprise you troll.

"Somali youth are messed up because they adopt Adoon culture. How am I scapegoating if I blame the Somalis for accepting Adoon culture?"

Bwahahahahahahaha! Where is all that somali pride that you guys boast about? You mean the black slaves have now grown so strong and influential and the great somalis have grown so impotent and weak that the allure of a "slave" culture is wrestling away your youth from somali culture and pride etc. Poor you. For a man who like to preach about blacks having victim mentality you look and sound like diaper-wearing manchild goo-goo-ga-ing for a lollipop right about now. lol!