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Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:08 am
by LobsterUnit
Isaaq was most likely a coalition of Islamic warriors formed to overthrow the hebrews(yibir) and king baidairi of the boon(punt madhibaan).
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:10 am
by LobsterUnit
zumaale wrote:Itrah wrote:LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:That's bullshit and you know it. When I received my results I had a similar haplogroup to Ogaden and Dir. There was also a dhulbahante guy who had J1 and Dawwa the MJ who had J2. If anything, Isaaq have been the most consistent in only being T or E1b1b and that is actually par for the course since those two are the most popular haplogroups in the Somali peninsula. Whereas Darood come in all different types.
On 23andMe, basically every Daarood on there has E1b1b. All the major sub-clans have been tested (Marehan, Dhulbahante, Majerteen, other Harti, Leelkase, Ogadenis, etc etc..) Just 2 or 3 Warsangeli guys with J1. It does not disprove the clan is fake. Just that Warsangelis maybe oddballs and you may have some bastards here and there, but the vast majority is the same.
The discrepancy is not as high as with the Isaaq, where it is more around 50%/50% or 60%/40% having different results. With Daaroods it is more like 95% the same 5% different.
Based on indivudual test results, Darood are consistent in being E1b1b and Ogaden are no different than the rest of them in being overwhelmingly E1b1b. Do a count of all the Darood you know who have done the test on Snet and you will observe Itrah is right. Even the few academic studies done on Somalis backs this up.
Haplogroup T is a mainly Dir marker by the looks of it until more Southerners do the test as it might be present in Hawiyes.
But he is trolling when it comes to Isaaqs. He knows that it can only be stated with confidence that SM are E-V32 and Garxajis T. Not enough results from other subclans but I am more than confident they will be at least 60 to 70 percent T.
SM?
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:20 am
by zumaale
BaastoUnit wrote:
SM?
Sacad Muuse.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:41 pm
by thegoodshepherd
Zumaale, Sacad Muse are like 30% of isaaq, largest subclan most likely. If they are Ev32, I would actually assume that it is probably 50%-50% Ev32 and T for the whole clan.
What I am really interested is how Hawiye turns out, I am thinking only its subclans are actually related and that at the top it is a confederation.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:48 pm
by CasualFarah
all those sacad muuse who tested for E V32 belong to the same subclan Jibriil Abokor
It seems Odaygii Ismail Jeberti had the same Y dna as Odaygii Murursade lol..what did happen to Arab yemeni orgin ?
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:54 pm
by zumaale
CasualFarah wrote:all those sacad muuse who tested for E V32 belong to the same subclan Jibriil Abokor
It seems Odaygii Ismail Jeberti had the same Y dna as Odaygii Murursade lol..what did happen to Arab yemeni orgin ?
Not really bro, the majority SM's have tested positive for E1b1b. The following are just from Somalinet.
The Emperior (Xuseen Abokor)
Abraha (Xussen Abokor) James Dahl's spreadsheet.
Skippa is also Xussen Abokor.
As you on 23andme, check out a thread where there is a discussion between HY's and SM's about their divergent test results. I am not on there and cannot link it to you but the 23andme old timers can.
By the way how many of your 23andme relatives have haplogroup T and what are their subclans.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:06 pm
by zumaale
thegoodshepherd wrote:Zumaale, Sacad Muse are like 30% of isaaq, largest subclan most likely. If they are Ev32, I would actually assume that it is probably 50%-50% Ev32 and T for the whole clan.
What I am really interested is how Hawiye turns out, I am thinking only its subclans are actually related and that at the top it is a confederation.
Mate, the last census of clans conducted during the colonial era had Habaryoonis (130,000) and Habar Awal (130,000). Garxajis as a whole accounted for 170,000 whilst the rest of Isaaqs numbered 250,000 thousand. That would make Garxajis 40 percent of Isaaq around the 1950's. Unless an epidemic of biblical proportions struck the Garxajis, I doubt much has changed.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:09 pm
by CasualFarah
zumaale
I dont think Emperor did take a test, u r confusing him with Sahangalbeed, r u sure Skippa is Xuseen abokor?
I read that thread,some JB fella is making fuss about 2 habar awal guys who are T
So far, 1 eidgale, 1 ciise muuse and 1 HY who r T are on my dna relatives.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:23 pm
by zumaale
CasualFarah wrote:zumaale
I dont think Emperor did take a test, u r confusing him with Sahangalbeed, r u sure Skippa is Xuseen abokor?
I read that thread,some JB fella is making fuss about 2 habar awal guys who are T
So far, 1 eidgale, 1 ciise muuse and 1 HY who r T are on my dna relatives.
Skippa is Xussen Abokor, I am a hundred percent certain mate. There was a craze on Somalinet between 2009 and 2012, not one Sacad Muuse who did the test got T. Some Snetters shared their results publicly whilst others only shared them in the private groups.
The following thread highlights the fall out from the DNA test results, it is funny.
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=325768&start=30
What about those relatives of yours who are E-V32, what subclan are they bro?
As for the guy making a fuss, are those Habar Awal guys Ciise Muuse? Furthermore, there will always be a test result or two that goes against the grain. Sooner or later you will find one Garxajis guy with E1b1b
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Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:37 pm
by CasualFarah
There are 2 H/A guys who are T on 23andme, clearly not all H/A are E V32
On my relatives , what i can read on their profiles,couple MJS , 1 dhuloz and 1 Jibri Abokor
I remember those crazy DNA days on somalinet, i was a poor student back than couldnt afford it.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:40 pm
by Itrah
CasualFarah wrote:There are 2 H/A guys who are T on 23andme, clearly not all H/A are E V32
On my relatives , what i can read on their profiles,couple MJS , 1 dhuloz and 1 Jibri Abokor
I remember those crazy DNA days on somalinet, i was a poor student back than couldnt afford it.
There is a new guy with Ciidagale in his profle who got his result this week, a T1 carrier. Are you related to this guy?
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:49 pm
by CasualFarah
Maybe it is the new guy. Since i got my results i only logged in a couple times.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:57 pm
by zumaale
CasualFarah wrote:There are 2 H/A guys who are T on 23andme, clearly not all H/A are E V32
On my relatives , what i can read on their profiles,couple MJS , 1 dhuloz and 1 Jibri Abokor
I remember those crazy DNA days on somalinet, i was a poor student back than couldnt afford it.
Bro, I agree with you, it statistically unusual to find samples of an ethnic group or a numerous clan to be a 100 percent one haplogroup. What I was highlighting to you was that Xuseen Abokoor have E-V32 just like JB and that T has not been frequently found among Sacad Muuses.
Itrah, there is also another Ciidagale who is T and is on Based's relative list.
Those DNA test days Qaarxised a few myths
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Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:00 pm
by CasualFarah
My so-called relatives we are not close matches, my highest match is 0,90%, shared 7 segments
F^ck them ! we are not even close related.
Re: If you say your qabil is laandheer ...
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:29 pm
by thegoodshepherd
CasualFarah wrote:all those sacad muuse who tested for E V32 belong to the same subclan Jibriil Abokor
It seems Odaygii Ismail Jeberti had the same Y dna as Odaygii Murursade lol..what did happen to Arab yemeni orgin ?
Neither EV-32 or T mean that you are decended from a Yemeni or not. Both haplogroups are found in Yemen in the 4% range. The first step to proving whether a clan's origin story is true is to test and see if they actually cohere or have the same Y-dna marker. Isaaq as a clan failed this criteria, so its not actually even a qabil but isutaag, a confederation.
So far, the vast majority of Daroods are of one type, so we can go to the second step of searching for a common ancestor about 25-30 generations ago.
ps. Marques, Who is Karanle Hawiye (Murusade), has done the test and is T like you. As a matter of fact, most Abgaal whose results I have seen are T, while HG are Ev-32.