Are Habar Jeclo People Somalis ?

[Rambie]

2bh i consider ppl living in my tuulo as my relatives distant relatives. I doubt im closely related to someone living even in zeila or as far down as galcayo.

I was told there is a growing HJ community in
Borama and Djiboti as well. Don't forget, some Cissa sub clans are originally HJ.

[Hodan94]

^^well then they r a disgrace. Hj asking french protection against eriteria? Dont make me laugh its a myth.

[SahanGalbeed]

Another made up story ^ believe me

[Rambie]

Hodan, you have a very short term memory.
Don't you remember that thread at the IPG?

Reer Yeesif or something from Habar Tol Jeclo
moved to the west after clashing with Black Adams centuries ago.

Sahal

[sahal80]

Isaaq/dir carrying different haplogroup (T) doesnt make them non-somalis

This is common in the arab world; shia iraqi sayyids who claim banu hashim carry Rb1, some iraqs carry G-caucasian-, some saudis carry T, others carry Eb1 etc.

It just mean their place of origin, they r similar to some african tribes like the fulani and toubou... pre-historic migration.

[SteadyState]

Isaaq/dir carrying different haplogroup (T) doesnt make them non-somalis

You're confused. The very small minority of Isaaq who get a result of T are really Dir in reality but are sheegatos. They are true ethnic and indigenous Somalis. But, the majority of Isaaq are grouped into the J haplogroup and are not ethnic Somalis.

[sahal80]

Isaaq/dir carrying different haplogroup (T) doesnt make them non-somalis

You're confused. The very small minority of Isaaq who get a result of T are really Dir in reality but are sheegatos. They are true ethnic and indigenous Somalis. But, the majority of Isaaq are grouped into the J haplogroup and are not ethnic Somalis.

horta we know your trolling and wasting our time!

Your either sheegato, troll or ignorent facist!

speak scientifically or just shut up!

Scientifically speaking theres only one main study on 200 somali males from one diaspora town wich could have more clans than others

Then there was some ancestry tests by individuals with known clans some of them are from this site and other places....most of those who carried the T haplogroup were either dir or isaaq

Mind you in that study in denmark, it was the second haplogroup (10 percent)

Black and arab haplo groups were on the bottom (3 percent)

So that means somalis are mainly either E3b1 or T

https://hiiraanblogs.wordpress.com/2013 ... ales-read/

The J is carried by minority and it has to do with islam or semitic migration

Some folks from warsangali sanaag were carrying J...its understandable since they r coastal dwellers not a hinterland clan

Also its found in eelaay who had contacts with arabs.....it could be find in other regions as minority

This elaay guy is J1-P209, its found in oman and yemen

https://m.facebook.com/maxamed.yareaadan.9?fref=pb

[SteadyState]

Scientifically speaking theres only one main study on 200 somali males from one diaspora town wich could have more clans than others

This is exactly the point. There's no meaningful conclusions about the origins of Somalis that can be drawn from the study. No indication has been given as to what clans the people belong to.

Then there was some ancestry tests by individuals with known clans some of them are from this site and other places....most of those who carried the T haplogroup were either dir or isaaq

Using these results is not any more scientific than anecdotal evidence. In fact, it is less accurate because there is the possibility that many people could be lying about their clans. In the real world, I can verify the clans of the people I know who took these tests, and all of the Darods and Isaaq always got a result of J1.

Now, is it possible these people are just the extreme minority and that most Darods are and Isaaq are E3b and T? Of course it is, but to date there have been no large scale scientific studies that have been done and give a breakdown of the clan and native region of the test subject, nor does it seem like there is much interest in doing such a study by the scientific community to either confirm the historic abtirsi or dismiss them as ancient myths. In fact, if you actually read academic publications written by experts, you will see they have no problem accepting that Darod and Isaaq are Arab by descent and some even take it as a given.

horta we know your trolling and wasting our time!

Your either sheegato, troll or ignorent facist!

That a new one.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Sahal don't feed the troll.



Steadystate you can keep pushing this agenda. In the end it's your own time you're wasting. The modernization of the Somali state will destroy your fairy-tale. You're like an ant trying to push a stream.

Somalia has the potential to become a Turkey or Maleysia or Indonesia, but simpletons like you want it to become a Sudan.

[SteadyState]

Steadystate you can keep pushing this agenda. In the end it's your own time you're wasting. The modernization of the Somali state will destroy your fairy-tale. You're like an ant trying to push a stream.

It's funny how you're talking like a wadani now, when in just about every other post you talk like the typical iidoor and refer to Somalis outside of Somaliland as "savage walanweyn". It also boggles my mind why you, as a Dir, would continue to align yourself with people who see you as savages that their ancestor civilized. No matter how much you want to hop on iidoor ceeb, the truth of the matter is they will never be ethnic Somalis and all of them belong in some village in Arabia and certainly not on our African homeland. But, I have no stake in this as Somaliland is your ancestral homeland and is your fight. It's too bad the iidoor seem to have your people in mental bondage and thus will continue usurping your ancestral homeland.

Make no mistake, I am absolutely for a Somali state. But, unlike you, I am a rational person and have come to the logical conclusion that the only way we will ever build a modern Somali state requires an overhaul in the meaning of the rather loaded term "ethnic Somali". Moreover, two major clans do not belong in this country and need to be peacefully repatriated to the Arabian peninsula. The past 20 years of pushing this wadani nonsense on people who are not genetically and ethnically like us has clearly not been working, and it will certainly not work in the next 20 years. It is clear that a new solution is needed. A great scientist once said insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.

Somalia has the potential to become a Turkey or Maleysia or Indonesia, but simpletons like you want it to become a Sudan.

That horse has already left the barn. The inevitable balkanization of Somalia as a result of the federalism that was pioneered by your masters, the iidoor, is poised to occur within this decade. Somalia will break up and will be ripe for the picking for the Kenyans and Ethiopia. Somalia will enter a true dark age, but maybe that's what we need. Despite that, I have faith that our nation will rise again in the distant future as many of the great nations of the past and present had experienced a dark age of sorts before their ascent. However, the harsh reality is, the only path to a prosperous Somalia will, undoubtedly, require the ethnic expulsion of the jabertis and the iidoor from the African continent and repatriating them (hopefully peacefully) in their ancestral homeland.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

That last reply ticked you off didn't it. It must've been that image.



Look at this man. This is hilarious , cause you're literally playing with your own mind.
Listen here your reverse psychology isn't working. You are starting to sound very desperate now.
The last reply hurt you so bad, you shifted to argumentum ad hominem.

The only one riding ceeb is you and in a twisted manner , Arab ceeb. Perhaps you have developed a taste for Arab ceeb.

You can keep entertaining us with more of your replies. I wonder what you pull will out of your ass this time.
Your attempt at sounding more "Hawiye" is laughable, sadly you are flopping. Hawiyes don't waste their time making threads trying to justify a mythical Arab patriarchs. That is the foundation of your sheegatinimo, quite the contrary they would mock them.

Yes the Idoor did start the balkanization, but who pushed for the ideology in Somalia. Who pushed for a federal constitution. Your reply screams you hold a bigger grudge for the Idoor than the Jeberti. You're flopping my friend. I think those images did the damage.

Hey I'm all for repatriating them. Take the initiative by starting with your family. It would be a good move.

[sahal80]

Sahal don't feed the troll.

he is, hes a big troll. When i first came across him, he sounded like some one who got paranoid from the clan hes claiming now by saying that certain clan will not accept to give them their daughters!!!

Now he acts as a facist...What can you say about someone like that except being an arab wannabe troll or even a somali sheegato

arabs/semites would spread either as a form of bedouins or settlers, fishers-jamaacaat- not as individuals and if they arrive as trading individuals they would go back to their people

They dont immigrate to spread islam/religion in a non common area, they area must first have linguistic and cultural connections

the moon deity-al maqa/makeda and the israelite culture have spread from south arabia to abyssinia... makeda/al maqah/bilqiis have been visiting jerusalem in 1000 B.C. so it was normal for some syrians to convert them to christianity

Islam in the horn was introduced by the semitic hadarama/adaaris through the abyssinian islands such as dahlik and then musawac followed by saylac and mogadishu

The new muslim settlers have been running these towns directly

Some near by unnomadic somalis have mixed with them like the elaays ( BTW to correct that guy carries J-p209....some somali fishers have mixed with other semitic/muslim fishers...nomadic somalis consider the fish as some sort of "mas" so they used to look down on these jobs

researches have proven that the arab DNA is found in a very small frequency in the somali population but T is appearing as the second haplogroup in the somali population....it was found among 17 somali males from dire dawa, presumably a dir folks.

[Togdeer]

Hodan, you have a very short term memory.
Don't you remember that thread at the IPG?

Reer Yeesif or something from Habar Tol Jeclo
moved to the west after clashing with Black Adams centuries ago.

Sahal

I don't know where you got this from.
Black Adan and reer Yusuf have always been allies, the never had war.
Why do you think they settle together?

[Rambie]

Hodan, you have a very short term memory.
Don't you remember that thread at the IPG?

Reer Yeesif or something from Habar Tol Jeclo
moved to the west after clashing with Black Adams centuries ago.

Sahal

I don't know where you got this from.
Black Adan and reer Yusuf have always been allies, the never had war.
Why do you think they settle together?

That's what I've heard.
Ninhow, you seem legit why don't you join the IPG?

[Togdeer]

Hodan, you have a very short term memory.
Don't you remember that thread at the IPG?

Reer Yeesif or something from Habar Tol Jeclo
moved to the west after clashing with Black Adams centuries ago.

Sahal

I don't know where you got this from.
Black Adan and reer Yusuf have always been allies, the never had war.
Why do you think they settle together?

That's what I've heard.
Ninhow, you seem legit why don't you join the IPG?

They don't like me