So is it allowed for me to marry more than one man if I can afford it financially?

[Machiavelli2]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer, marka hore Jazaakallah, marka xigtana, waxaan doonayaa inaan ka dhiibto ra'yi kaaga ka duwan. Polygamy within Islam should be put in context and that context was to look after orphans and their widowed mothers. Marka sidaa darted, inta hore aad aayaddaa ka bixisey iyo aayadda ka horreeysa iyo kuwa ka danbeeyaba, waxaa laga arki karraa ujeedadii hore ee keentay Polygamy inay ahayd to take care of orphans and widows. Take all these xikma out of context, then we have Jibril, Muudeey iyo Mursal running around seeking to marry poor girls in desperate situations younger their daughters.

For example, aayadda Surah An-Nisa (4:2) tan ka horeeysay midda aad nus ka soo bandhigtay waxay leedahay;

"Give orphans their property, do not replace their good things with the bad, and do not consume their property with your own. That is a serious crime".

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلا تَعُولُوا

Tan ku xigta, iyadoo kaamil ah waa tan.

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلا تَعُولُوا

"If you fear that you will not be just/equitable to the orphans, then marry as permissible for you, women, two, three or four. But if you fear you will not be equitable, then one or to whom you are committed to by oath. That is better so that you
do not deviate from the right course". (4:3)

The Ayats (permitting polygamy) continues further and shows you how much Allah SWT emphasises on the protection of such children and their mothers.

وَآتُوا النِّسَاءَ صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً فَإِنْ طِبْنَ لَكُمْ عَنْ شَيْءٍ مِنْهُ نَفْسًا فَكُلُوهُ هَنِيئًا مَرِيئًا

"And give women their property willingly, and if they remit any of it to you of their own will, then you may take it with a clear conscience." (non-literal). (4:4)

وَلا تُؤْتُوا السُّفَهَاءَ أَمْوَالَكُمُ الَّتِي جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ قِيَامًا وَارْزُقُوهُمْ فِيهَا وَاكْسُوهُمْ وَقُولُوا لَهُمْ قَوْلا مَعْرُوفًا

"And do not give the immature ones their money which Allah has entrusted to you, and spend on them from it and clothe them, and speak to them in goodness." (4:5)

وَابْتَلُوا الْيَتَامَى حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغُوا النِّكَاحَ فَإِنْ آنَسْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ رُشْدًا فَادْفَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ وَلا تَأْكُلُوهَا إِسْرَافًا وَبِدَارًا أَنْ يَكْبَرُوا وَمَنْ كَانَ غَنِيًّا فَلْيَسْتَعْفِفْ وَمَنْ كَانَ فَقِيرًا فَلْيَأْكُلْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ فَإِذَا دَفَعْتُمْ إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ فَأَشْهِدُوا عَلَيْهِمْ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ حَسِيبًا

"Test orphans until they reach marriageable age; then if you find they have sound judgement, hand over their property to them. Do not consume it hastily before they come of age. If the guardian is well off, he should abstain from the orphan's property, and if he is poor he should use only what is fair. When you give them their property, call witnesses in, but Allah takes full account of everything you do." (4:6)

It wasn't intended for Hilowle or Madaxyare from London or Minnesota to seek mid dhaylo ah in Nairobi or in Somalia because tan qurbaha joogta weey cuslaatoo oo ay isku fillantahay dhaqaale ahaan. Nuxurka ujeedada, the context of polygamy was to look after the orphans and their mothers and addresses their care and protection.

[Amira143]

[grandpakhalif]

Polygamy is a gracious privilege granted by the Lord Al Mighty who knows best how he hath created the male. A male has strong sexual impulses unlike women and therefore are permitted to engage in polygamy provided he fulfills his rights to his wive(s).


No matter how much gaalos and gaalo sympathizers whine and moan, the same fockers like Leftist who condone "sexual liberation" a.k.a illegal sexual intercourse with women. Yet at the same time has deep issues with polygamy and marrying multiple women in a halal fashion?

Hypocritical? Or just plain stupidity, only God knows how these fools function with their deep seated inferiority complex against Islam

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Did you read what I wrote BV? I said if men can fulfill the conditions attached when they are undertaking polygamy.

Except that 99.99% of men will never be able to fulfill those conditions. The institution of polygamy has been abused horrendously throughout our Islamic history over the past 1400 years, just like slavery has been exploited and abused. I have never seen a polygamous house-hold that was happy & content; there always was, and always will be, strife, discord, nacayb, xasad, masayr iyo arrimaha caynkaas.

In Islam, polygamy was intended to be a social tool to to take care of widows, orphans; and to provide financial support and a protecting father figure/male presence for households that lacked it; instead, it turned into a status symbol oo lagu isku faano; it turned into a shameful mechanism for aging flabby men to recapture "their youth" by preying on the poverty and desperation of young girls. The end-result was that "scholars" like Ina Baaz and Ina Cuthaymayn came up with predatory fatwas that gave a religious stamp of approval on such un-Islamic marriages like: zawaj misyaar, and nikaax-bi-niyat-talaaq. One question for beesha #HeavenAreBelongToUs iyo wixii raaco: miyaa jeclaan lahayd inaa hooyadaa ama walaashada mut'cah(zawaj misyar) ku sameeyo oo markan ka dhamaysto soo furo?

In Islam, slavery was intended to be a stop-gap temporary measure to deal with prisoners-of-war and it was supposed to be gradually abolished; instead, sex-hungry men(including some of the salaf) went buck-wild with it and instead of abolishing slavery, they started kidnapping(by proxy, by purchasing kidnapped slaves) and selling innocent human being living in places like the Caucaus/Circassia and sub-Saharan Africa under the twisted interpretation of "my religion allows it". The end-result is hundreds of millions of human being suffering under the heavy & painful yoke of bondage/adoonsi...........for over 1400 years, until Ebbe(SWT) ku ilhaamiyay beesha cadaan-beoble inay ka hortagaan ay cirib-tiraan foolxumada adoonsiga.

Polygamy is already banned in many Muslim countries(wal-xamdulilah), and the few remaining countries it is allowed, it is, or will be, severely restricted. In a alternate universe where your humble broski Leftist is the Chief Qadi, polgamy will be banned except in the following cases:

- widows
- unmarried women who are middle-aged an
- single mothers

Anybody else caught engaging in polygamy, like udun/gerigoor, will be fined and the fine will be donated to charity. Udun will be given a mandatory course on sex-education so that he can take responsibility for his bedroom issues, instead of taking the coward's way out and exploiting the youth, lack of options, and poverty of young girls in East Africa.

Well said bro, particularly the last part. I would even go so far as to even make divorce a finable offence. So many Faaraxs and xaliimos take marriage for granted and divorce on a whim. Maybe you shouldn't rush such an important decision like marriage and get to know the person before you jump into a life changing decision. They never think of the children involved, and the father goes missing while the mother suddenly rediscovers her teenage years and turns into a party-animal.

Somalis only remember the religion when it benefits them. There are plenty of single mothers, widows and spinsters. If you truly want more than one wife, go marry those women and stop ruining young girls' lives.

[gegiroor]

Polygamy is a gracious privilege granted by the Lord Al Mighty who knows best how he hath created the male. A male has strong sexual impulses unlike women and therefore are permitted to engage in polygamy provided he fulfills his rights to his wive(s).


No matter how much gaalos and gaalo sympathizers whine and moan, the same fockers like Leftist who condone "sexual liberation" a.k.a illegal sexual intercourse with women. Yet at the same time has deep issues with polygamy and marrying multiple women in a halal fashion?

Hypocritical? Or just plain stupidity, only God knows how these fools function with their deep seated inferiority complex against Islam

indeed bro Grandpa, you hit the nail on the head.

[gegiroor]

Polygamy is a gracious privilege granted by the Lord Al Mighty who knows best how he hath created the male. A male has strong sexual impulses unlike women and therefore are permitted to engage in polygamy provided he fulfills his rights to his wive(s).


No matter how much gaalos and gaalo sympathizers whine and moan, the same fockers like Leftist who condone "sexual liberation" a.k.a illegal sexual intercourse with women. Yet at the same time has deep issues with polygamy and marrying multiple women in a halal fashion?

Hypocritical? Or just plain stupidity, only God knows how these fools function with their deep seated inferiority complex against Islam

indeed bro Grandpa, you hit the nail on the head.

[gegiroor]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer, marka hore Jazaakallah, marka xigtana, waxaan doonayaa inaan ka dhiibto ra'yi kaaga ka duwan. Polygamy within Islam should be put in context and that context was to look after orphans and their widowed mothers. Marka sidaa darted, inta hore aad aayaddaa ka bixisey iyo aayadda ka horreeysa iyo kuwa ka danbeeyaba, waxaa laga arki karraa ujeedadii hore ee keentay Polygamy inay ahayd to take care of orphans and widows. Take all these xikma out of context, then we have Jibril, Muudeey iyo Mursal running around seeking to marry poor girls in desperate situations younger their daughters.

For example, aayadda Surah An-Nisa (4:2) tan ka horeeysay midda aad nus ka soo bandhigtay waxay leedahay;

"Give orphans their property, do not replace their good things with the bad, and do not consume their property with your own. That is a serious crime".

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلا تَعُولُوا

Tan ku xigta, iyadoo kaamil ah waa tan.

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلا تَعُولُوا

"If you fear that you will not be just/equitable to the orphans, then marry as permissible for you, women, two, three or four. But if you fear you will not be equitable, then one or to whom you are committed to by oath. That is better so that you
do not deviate from the right course". (4:3)

The Ayats (permitting polygamy) continues further and shows you how much Allah SWT emphasises on the protection of such children and their mothers.

وَآتُوا النِّسَاءَ صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً فَإِنْ طِبْنَ لَكُمْ عَنْ شَيْءٍ مِنْهُ نَفْسًا فَكُلُوهُ هَنِيئًا مَرِيئًا

"And give women their property willingly, and if they remit any of it to you of their own will, then you may take it with a clear conscience." (non-literal). (4:4)

وَلا تُؤْتُوا السُّفَهَاءَ أَمْوَالَكُمُ الَّتِي جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ قِيَامًا وَارْزُقُوهُمْ فِيهَا وَاكْسُوهُمْ وَقُولُوا لَهُمْ قَوْلا مَعْرُوفًا

"And do not give the immature ones their money which Allah has entrusted to you, and spend on them from it and clothe them, and speak to them in goodness." (4:5)

وَابْتَلُوا الْيَتَامَى حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغُوا النِّكَاحَ فَإِنْ آنَسْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ رُشْدًا فَادْفَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ وَلا تَأْكُلُوهَا إِسْرَافًا وَبِدَارًا أَنْ يَكْبَرُوا وَمَنْ كَانَ غَنِيًّا فَلْيَسْتَعْفِفْ وَمَنْ كَانَ فَقِيرًا فَلْيَأْكُلْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ فَإِذَا دَفَعْتُمْ إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ فَأَشْهِدُوا عَلَيْهِمْ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ حَسِيبًا

"Test orphans until they reach marriageable age; then if you find they have sound judgement, hand over their property to them. Do not consume it hastily before they come of age. If the guardian is well off, he should abstain from the orphan's property, and if he is poor he should use only what is fair. When you give them their property, call witnesses in, but Allah takes full account of everything you do." (4:6)

It wasn't intended for Hilowle or Madaxyare from London or Minnesota to seek mid dhaylo ah in Nairobi or in Somalia because tan qurbaha joogta weey cuslaatoo oo ay isku fillantahay dhaqaale ahaan. Nuxurka ujeedada, the context of polygamy was to look after the orphans and their mothers and addresses their care and protection.

Thanks Machiavelli2. I will dig more and insha'Allah be back with my response.

P.S. A 35 year old business woman is not some 20 years old girl in refugee camps. Somali women in East Africa are mature business minded women who value marriage and know what they want.

For now, I gotta say this bro polygamy

[gegiroor]

Lol@ using one ayat to justify your choice. If we all did that then we'd be no better than the ignorant people who choose to judge Islam to be a violent religion based on the one ayat they read.

You keep banging on about the conditions while you quickly brush over the reasons. You mentioned that nabi Muhammad (pbuh) took on polygamy for a number of reasons. Which of those examples are you replicating? Or are we quickly brushing over that without applying his examples to our lives?

BV, every Islamic scholar who understands Islamic jurisprudence have made it clear it that it is halal provided that the man is capable of supporting his wives financially and at the same time be just to all of them equally. If you have an issue with that, sorry I can't be of a luck.

Well, now let me take shots at you since you've kept firing at me, while you (BV) were throwing around "For the Love my life" in SNET and still could not tie the knots for one guy, Gegiroor has managed to tie the knots with 2 women While you will still be making those relationship topics and making statement like "For the Love my life" repeatedly it is possible that Gegiroor might tie the tie knots with the third wife j/k of course!

Siter BV, those "For the Love my life" statements that you used to make used to be provide so much laughter

Now, have a good sleep BV.

[gegiroor]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer, marka hore Jazaakallah, marka xigtana, waxaan doonayaa inaan ka dhiibto ra'yi kaaga ka duwan. Polygamy within Islam should be put in context and that context was to look after orphans and their widowed mothers. Marka sidaa darted, inta hore aad aayaddaa ka bixisey iyo aayadda ka horreeysa iyo kuwa ka danbeeyaba, waxaa laga arki karraa ujeedadii hore ee keentay Polygamy inay ahayd to take care of orphans and widows. Take all these xikma out of context, then we have Jibril, Muudeey iyo Mursal running around seeking to marry poor girls in desperate situations younger their daughters.

For example, aayadda Surah An-Nisa (4:2) tan ka horeeysay midda aad nus ka soo bandhigtay waxay leedahay;

"Give orphans their property, do not replace their good things with the bad, and do not consume their property with your own. That is a serious crime".

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلا تَعُولُوا

Tan ku xigta, iyadoo kaamil ah waa tan.

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَى فَانْكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُمْ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَلِكَ أَدْنَى أَلا تَعُولُوا

"If you fear that you will not be just/equitable to the orphans, then marry as permissible for you, women, two, three or four. But if you fear you will not be equitable, then one or to whom you are committed to by oath. That is better so that you
do not deviate from the right course". (4:3)

The Ayats (permitting polygamy) continues further and shows you how much Allah SWT emphasises on the protection of such children and their mothers.

وَآتُوا النِّسَاءَ صَدُقَاتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً فَإِنْ طِبْنَ لَكُمْ عَنْ شَيْءٍ مِنْهُ نَفْسًا فَكُلُوهُ هَنِيئًا مَرِيئًا

"And give women their property willingly, and if they remit any of it to you of their own will, then you may take it with a clear conscience." (non-literal). (4:4)

وَلا تُؤْتُوا السُّفَهَاءَ أَمْوَالَكُمُ الَّتِي جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ قِيَامًا وَارْزُقُوهُمْ فِيهَا وَاكْسُوهُمْ وَقُولُوا لَهُمْ قَوْلا مَعْرُوفًا

"And do not give the immature ones their money which Allah has entrusted to you, and spend on them from it and clothe them, and speak to them in goodness." (4:5)

وَابْتَلُوا الْيَتَامَى حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغُوا النِّكَاحَ فَإِنْ آنَسْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ رُشْدًا فَادْفَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ وَلا تَأْكُلُوهَا إِسْرَافًا وَبِدَارًا أَنْ يَكْبَرُوا وَمَنْ كَانَ غَنِيًّا فَلْيَسْتَعْفِفْ وَمَنْ كَانَ فَقِيرًا فَلْيَأْكُلْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ فَإِذَا دَفَعْتُمْ إِلَيْهِمْ أَمْوَالَهُمْ فَأَشْهِدُوا عَلَيْهِمْ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ حَسِيبًا

"Test orphans until they reach marriageable age; then if you find they have sound judgement, hand over their property to them. Do not consume it hastily before they come of age. If the guardian is well off, he should abstain from the orphan's property, and if he is poor he should use only what is fair. When you give them their property, call witnesses in, but Allah takes full account of everything you do." (4:6)

It wasn't intended for Hilowle or Madaxyare from London or Minnesota to seek mid dhaylo ah in Nairobi or in Somalia because tan qurbaha joogta weey cuslaatoo oo ay isku fillantahay dhaqaale ahaan. Nuxurka ujeedada, the context of polygamy was to look after the orphans and their mothers and addresses their care and protection.

Bro Machiavelli2,

There are three more instances that you have not cited:

(1) Marrying the divorced women with children who would otherwise have had a hard time finding a single man. Polygamy is a solution here.

(2) Keeping track of population numbers to ensure Muslims don't lose majority against non-Muslims. Unfortunately, some Muslims are deploying it for sectarian reasons. In Shia-led Iran, the Shia families are having less children with respect to their Sunni counterparts. And the Iranian Shia establishment worries that Sunnis will overtake them in the near future. The current ruler of Iran, Ayotallah Ali Khomeini has proposed that families who wants to have more children and involve polygamy should be supported through state provided funds: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... population. In essence, Muslims should have more numbers as encouraged by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and polygamy is one way of achieving it.

(3) If Muslim man have abundant financial resources where he can, at the same time, provide justice to his wives.


In all three conditions, polygamy is permissible.


Anyhow, it was good discussion with you, Grandpa, and BV. Take care fellas! I have said enough in this topic

[BVSNet]

Lol@ using one ayat to justify your choice. If we all did that then we'd be no better than the ignorant people who choose to judge Islam to be a violent religion based on the one ayat they read.

You keep banging on about the conditions while you quickly brush over the reasons. You mentioned that nabi Muhammad (pbuh) took on polygamy for a number of reasons. Which of those examples are you replicating? Or are we quickly brushing over that without applying his examples to our lives?

BV, every Islamic scholar who understands Islamic jurisprudence have made it clear it that it is halal provided that the man is capable of supporting his wives financially and at the same time be just to all of them equally. If you have an issue with that, sorry I can't be of a luck.

Well, now let me take shots at you since you've kept firing at me, while you (BV) were throwing around "For the Love my life" in SNET and still could not tie the knots for one guy, Gegiroor has managed to tie the knots with 2 women While you will still be making those relationship topics and making statement like "For the Love my life" repeatedly it is possible that Gegiroor might tie the tie knots with the third wife j/k of course!

Siter BV, those "For the Love my life" statements that you used to make used to be provide so much laughter

Now, have a good sleep BV.

BV is a romantic who loves relationship threads omg, I don't think anyone knew that.

Back to the topic...

I hadn't realised you have 2 wives. If you have chosen to do that, that's up to you, if you choose to make that 4, again, your choice. Just consider though whether your reasons for doing that is to actually follow in the footsteps of the sunnah or if it's for the sake of your own desire. Be careful of using Islam to try and justify your desires, you will always read things in a manner that suits you.

Everyone and their grandmother can convince themselves of anything and say Islam told me so.

[gegiroor]

Lol@ using one ayat to justify your choice. If we all did that then we'd be no better than the ignorant people who choose to judge Islam to be a violent religion based on the one ayat they read.

You keep banging on about the conditions while you quickly brush over the reasons. You mentioned that nabi Muhammad (pbuh) took on polygamy for a number of reasons. Which of those examples are you replicating? Or are we quickly brushing over that without applying his examples to our lives?

BV, every Islamic scholar who understands Islamic jurisprudence have made it clear it that it is halal provided that the man is capable of supporting his wives financially and at the same time be just to all of them equally. If you have an issue with that, sorry I can't be of a luck.

Well, now let me take shots at you since you've kept firing at me, while you (BV) were throwing around "For the Love my life" in SNET and still could not tie the knots for one guy, Gegiroor has managed to tie the knots with 2 women While you will still be making those relationship topics and making statement like "For the Love my life" repeatedly it is possible that Gegiroor might tie the tie knots with the third wife j/k of course!

Siter BV, those "For the Love my life" statements that you used to make used to be provide so much laughter

Now, have a good sleep BV.

BV is a romantic who loves relationship threads omg, I don't think anyone knew that.

Back to the topic...

I hadn't realised you have 2 wives. If you have chosen to do that, that's up to you, if you choose to make that 4, again, your choice. Just consider though whether your reasons for doing that is to actually follow in the footsteps of the sunnah or if it's for the sake of your own desire. Be careful of using Islam to try and justify your desires, you will always read things in a manner that suits you.

Everyone and their grandmother can convince themselves of anything and say Islam told me so.

I said the I've tied knots whatever that entails. We have religious scholars in my area - one Somali and one Egyptian, and I consult them. These are the people that I rely on when it comes to religious matters.

[zumaale]

MashaAllah Gerigoor Rageeygi.

Polygamy is the way forward instead of committing adultery.

No classical distinguished scholar has stated that it is forbidden to obtain a second wife that is not a widow etc. Neither has the Quran or Sunnah. Why is a man allowed to have sex with his concubines? Similarly, marrying a second wife does not always have to be an act of charity but can be motivated by a desire to have more children or simply satisfy one's carnal needs.

The Quran and Sunnah state that one must be able to fulfill the conditions required and to be honest it is hard in the West unless you are really wealthy. However, if you find a well off second wife that only wants love (EMO+PHY) then it is possible.

If Allah wills, I pray I snare a young filly when in my 50's to see me through retirement. Maxa ka macaan dhaylo jir adaag!

[Leftist]

No classical distinguished scholar

Oh you mean the same "classical distinguished scholars" that codified and institutionalized racism(ka'faa'ah & and sheekada rakhees'ka ee "only quraysh can be caliph"

the same dudes that just rolled over and accepted Muawiya's bastardization of Islamic governance, while in the same breath, they would find reasons to rail and demonize the "rawaafidh"(who are wrong, no doubt, but no need for sectarian incitement)?

You tam'bout dem folks? Just wanna make sure we're on the same page. And if you are talking about them, I think it's safe to say some(not all) of their "opinions"(and that's all it is....fallible human opinion) ain't worth much in the 21st century. Racism and misogyny were rife and widespread in the 7th and 8th century, and these "classical distinguished scholars", are merely the product of their environment. I'm not judging them; I'm not saying they had no beneficial works and thoughts(they indeed did); what I am saying is to stop elevating them to "better-than-us-mere-mortal" status, they are not better equipped to understand Islam than either you and me. We will accept from them anything that is beneficial, and whatever is natin(rotten), we will drop like it's hot.

If Allah wills, I pray I snare a young filly when in my 50's to see me through retirement. Maxa ka macaan dhaylo jir adaag!

Taliye AW252 will be in his 60's maybe 20 years from now. By then, it's possible that you will have a 18 to 20something y/o daughter. So if in the year 2035, the Taliye comes to you and asks for the hand of your daughter for the express purpose of, how did you put it:

Maxa ka macaan dhaylo jir adaag!

The Taliye be like: "Lemme "satisfy my carnal needs wid dat dere young filly, yo daughter"

Will your response be: "Verily indeed in the 9th century, a classically distinguished scholar, Ina Xanbali said that this was halal, so yes Taliye, gabarta waan ku seeyay ee sii fiican ugu bashaal"

I mean, zuumale, i need you come down from the irrational sky-high delusion of literalism, and for one moment, think rationally like a father, like a brother, and like a normal human being. Now, cirka miyaad ka soo dagtay? Good. Cuz I need you think with your Ebbe-given heart(conscience) and your Ebbe-given head(reason) as opposed to quoting dry, context-less religious text.

Because check this out:

لحسن هو: الحسن بن علي بن أبي طالب القرشي الهاشمي ، أبو محمد المدني ، سبط رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وريحانته من الدنيا ، وأحد سيدي شباب أهل الجنة. ولد في النصف من رمضان سنة ثلاث من الهجرة.
واشتهر بكثرة الزواج ، ومعنى هذا أنه يتزوج ويطلق، بحيث إن المرأة لا تبقى معه مدة طويلة، فعن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه ، قال علي: "يا أهل العراق لا تزوجوا الحسن بن علي فإنه رجل مطلاق، فقال رجل من همدان: والله لنزوجنه، فما رضي أمسك وما كره طلق"؛ وعن ابن سيرين قال: "خطب الحسن بن علي إلى منظور بن زبان بن سيار الفزاري ابنته فقال: والله إني لأنكحك، وإني لأعلم أنك غِلْقٌ طِلْقٌ مِلْقٌ غير أنك أكرم العرب بيتاً وأكرمهم نسباً"، والملق: هو الذي ينفق ماله حتى يفتقر، وعن علي بن حسين قال: "كان حسن بن علي مطلاقاً للنساء وكان لا يفارق امرأة إلا وهي تحبه". "وعن عبد الله بن حسن قال: " كان حسن بن علي قل ما تفارقه أربع حرائر، وكان صاحب ضرائر ......."، وقد اختلفت الروايات في عدد النساء اللاتي تزوج بهن، قال المدائني: "وكان الحسن أحصن تسعين امرأة "ينظر: تهذيب الكمال (6/ 220- 257)، وسير أعلام النبلاء (3/245).

Pray tell, what is the "xikmah" in this? What is the benefit in marrying and divorcing women like they were furniture that you change every year or so(a popular khaleeji custom)? Now just because Hasan the grandson of Nabiga did it, does that make it ok? No. It's foolxumo. It's morally shameful and disgraceful. He's exploiting his close relation with our beloved Messenger. If I could build a time-machine, and go back to his era, let's just say, I'd have a "friendly talk" with him and let him know that you can't just walk around be like "hey, I have the bestest lineage & ancestry ever, gimme yo daughter" and then divorce them, rinse, repeat. Can't be doin that shit, homie. Even his dad was like: Don't marry your daughters to Hasan for he is a serial-divorcer"

Foolxumo is foolxumo. You wouldnt want your daughter to be used for "carnal please", neither would Xasan, so that shit needs to be banned, regardless of who says it's "halal" or "mubaax"

The only form of polygamy that is acceptable is one that is line with the original purpose of Islam: islaaxul mujtamac(for the greater good of society), and that is: a) single mothers, b) widows, c) aging unmarried women.

Your "carnal pleasure" or the carnal please of some "prestigious" Saxaabi is pure piffle. You want carnal pleasure? Take a sex-education class and take responsibility for your flabby body and failure to conduct your bedroom duties as a husband, to the wife who bore your children and stood by and supported you for decades.

[zumaale]

Leftist

There is not one source from the Prophet SAWS or the Quran restricting polygamy to certain groups of women so if you choose to corrupt the Deen to restrict polygamy then be my guest but do not act like you are some sort of Fugee Messiah that received spiritual guidance directly from Allah to return Islam to its founding principles.

Furthermore, did you ignore the part where I highlighted how the Quran and the Sunna do not put restrictions on a man seeking to have sex with his concubine. I mean what other purpose is there in having sex with your slave girl other than satisfying one's lust or procreation? Similarly, marriage is also a means to increase the Umma, to protect man/woman from Zina and whether you like it or not polygamy has been made Xalal for men as long as they meet certain conditions. Does not matter if she if is a widow, divorcee or an untouched maiden. Whoever does not meet these conditions and abuses the institution of marriage then Allah is their judge.

As for a young woman settling for an older financially established AW252; if it makes her happy to marry a rich warlord/politician who am I to fault her for opting an easy life over an impoverished one? Tis the way of the world since time immemorial. Women at their peak have a strong bargaining chip and in economically depressed circumstances they will use it to their advantage.

[zumaale]

On second thoughts, some young dhaylos and their lying eyes ain't worth it .