Stop sucking up to foreigners

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

The absurdity of some Somalians to claim Arab lineage and then they are racist to us? Wth? Huh? Wah? Why would you diss the race of your own kinsman? Not all Somalis are racist btw. Clearly Somalis are Somalis except a portion of xamar cadcad of course.

[X.Playa]

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ar ... n=yresults

Are all these Arab carriers of T among your Dir? These include Al Saud, Al Sabaax and Al Hashim.

You clearly do not know a thing about genetics. The journal links I provided comment on Somali T1a haplogroup carriers found that they are of the same recent ancestry and have been present in the Horn for at least 2000 years.

You cannot run away from the fact that Habr Yoonis haplogroup T carriers are related to Ciise and other Dir haplogroup T carriers and no amount of insults or calcal can change facts on the ground.

Now be a man bro and do the advanced test with me.

Now all of a sudden you are a doctor on genetics! , T (M-184) haplogroup is the least complicated haplotype, and T1a (M-70) is its first descendant. Now since you are the doc of Dir DNA can you explain to us this how come the very Arabs you cleansed from this haplogroup seem to carry it overwhelmingly? Are these Al Saud, Al Hashim, and Al Sabax the lost descendants of Dir Rag Nag Zag!

[zumaale]

look zuumali stop pushing your dir nonsense, we all agree that the fake arab ancestors is complete nonsense but that also means dir is nonsense since it is another made up ancestry line without prove.somalis all have similar DNA thus all the labials are fake. Dir are not some special tribe as they claim. It is simple, somali are HOA, but they made up these bed time stories to feel special due to their new religion

Please, stick to the debate and stop pointing fingers. I have not made any of the claims that you mention. I never mentioned Dir, on the contrary, X,playa took it upon himself to bring Dir into this. I just mentioned in my first post directed towards Itrah that not all Isaaqs believe in the Bani Hashim bullshit that was being propagated by that Habar Awal kid on the Apricity website. Some Somalis like X.playa have not come to terms with the fact what they have been brainwashed with this bullshit. If you want to back x.playa, be my guest but do it critically and refrain from accusing me of pushing an argument which I have not on this thread.

[PhilosopherOfShamaal]

Shit is embarrassing.

My friend shocked me the other day when he claimed that we (Isaaq) descend from arabs. I didn't know the culture of arab-begging was so pervasive in Somali society. I had to lay down the truth for him

There needs to be massive re-education programmes back home.

So what was Sh. Isaaq ethnicity?

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

LOL ACCORDING to my forefathers Somalis claiming Arab heritage is a recent phenomenon. If you think 5% of 'Al Saud' belonging to T haplogroup gives you any credibility then keep deluding yourself.

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

It's not a coincidence that ALL authentic Arabs are J1. Yes, I said ALL, especially those of Adnani descent.

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

Some Somalis confuse me. They insult us for being Arabs and make fun of our exessively hairy bodies yet they claim Arabic lineage?

[X.Playa]

Al hashim are not T carriers nor E no Z LOL. It's well known that authentic Qurayshis are J1. Specifically L859

Based on what evidence? The tribe Quraysh and their ancestor Adnan are most probably of non Arab origin, since the Arab genealogist themselves claim that Adnan the semi .mythical ancestor of Quraysh was among the Arabized Arabs ( Al Carab Al mustacriba), where as Qaxdaan were the original Arabs and thus are considered the Arabizing Arabs (Al Carab Al caariba). There is no evidence of Qurayshi Arabness nor their DNA. J1 is more of a Semitic politics then scientific reality.

[zumaale]

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ar ... n=yresults

Are all these Arab carriers of T among your Dir? These include Al Saud, Al Sabaax and Al Hashim.

You clearly do not know a thing about genetics. The journal links I provided comment on Somali T1a haplogroup carriers found that they are of the same recent ancestry and have been present in the Horn for at least 2000 years.

You cannot run away from the fact that Habr Yoonis haplogroup T carriers are related to Ciise and other Dir haplogroup T carriers and no amount of insults or calcal can change facts on the ground.

Now be a man bro and do the advanced test with me.

Now all of a sudden you are a doctor on genetics! , T (M-184) haplogroup is the least complicated haplotype, and T1a (M-70) is its first descendant. Now since you are the doc of Dir DNA can you explain to us this how come the very Arabs you cleansed from this haplogroup seem to carry it overwhelmingly? Are these Al Saud, Al Hashim, and Al Sabax the lost descendants of Dir Rag Nag Zag!

You must be dumb or stubborn to the point of ignorance. I never said Arabs do not carry it. As a matter of fact it is even found among some Southern Cushitic/Bantus groups. T haplogroup is a scattered rare haplogroup and is found all over the world. Even Europeans possess it at very low levels.

TMRCA is determined by comparing the y-dna of two or more individuals. The first study I posted did just that with a sample of Somali T haplogroup carriers and it found that they possess a common recent ancestor going back roughly two millenniums. You are confusing yourself son, the TMRCA of those Somalis tested has nothing to do with the age of the entire T haplogroup. Arab, European, North African, Assyrian etc T haplogroup carriers are not necessarily closely related to Somalis T carriers just because they belong to the same haplogroup. One has to compare them to Somali T haplogroup carriers to determine how closely related they are like they did with Somali T haplogroup samples used by Sanchez et al.

Do you want me to also draw you a picture? Capiche!

p.s Shit ain't complicated if you come into it with no prior bias.

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

X playa LOOOOOOOOOL both qahtaanis and adnaanis are J1. As for ALL authentic qurayshis being J1(L859) like my grandmothers one, this is a fact. They took a sample from the most authentic qurayshis go on familytreeDNA. Not one of them are T, even if there was then it's simply a false claim. I understand you might be hurt by this and it might be hard to believe. However the evidence is there! If you plant the seed of potatoes you will not get Tomato! Please bro be realistic. Not only am I of Arab lineage but I have the appearance and DNA to support it. Not even all xamar cadcads are Arabs. Somalia existed thousands of years ago, before 'Britain' and all these countries.

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

J1 basically means your Semetic. Even authentic Jews have it. But it's not a coincidence that Arabs and Jews share a common ancestor. Even their DNA supports this!

[jalaaludin5]

I never thought I'll see the day where a HABAR YONIS will feel such insecurity and doubt about his Somali Identity

I knew all those DNA topics will drive some people up the wall.
Pure Somali blood? No such thing?

How do you judge purity if we believe we all descended from a common ancestor?

And another thing, how can you be objective in search of the truth if you already have hangups about 'where you should/shouldn't belong to?

Hating on Arabs will not make you anymore Somali than you already are.
Nor will DNA test make you any purer than you already are.

caadi iska dhig warya and stop tripping
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How is that relevant to what I said, or indeed, what we are discussing?

"hating on arabs"? Can you show me where on this thread I "hated" on an arab? I claimed that I and my clan, along with most other Somalis are ethnically homogenous. How is that hating on arabs?

Hangups about what? Bro what are you on about. Address my argument and stop going for silly Ad Hominems.

Who are you trying to convince?
Is there an indictment Against Isaq to prove they are "homogenous"?

And as for Arabs, you go on about "Arab bootyclapers, Arabs wanna be and self-loathing somalis".

some isaq and darood claim to be descended from Arabs while others say they are not. To me it makes no difference whatsoever because I never heard of laba beelood oo gamta iska saaray because one claimed to be ARAB.
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[X.Playa]

Kabashada cilmiga gaaban was lagu kadeedmaaye

First you used haplotypes to debunk Isxaaq and Daarood tradition saying since somalis are of tow haplotypes and since non of these haplotypes is Semitic ( J1) then therefore their tradition is mythical.

After having argued that you began your T haplogroup crusade and equated that haplotype with your imaginary ancestor Dir and claimed any Somali carrier must have belonged to that imaginary Dir using subclad M-70, which is now appears to be shared haplotype with many nations.

Now you again moved the goal post by claiming what you mean and cling to now is the most recent ancestor and not the M-70 mutations.

Now tell me the name of this most recent common ancestor the Somalis share that proves it is Dir and not Isxaaq the ancestor .

[X.Playa]

X playa LOOOOOOOOOL both qahtaanis and adnaanis are J1. As for ALL authentic qurayshis being J1(L859) like my grandmothers one, this is a fact. They took a sample from the most authentic qurayshis go on familytreeDNA. Not one of them are T, even if there was then it's simply a false claim. I understand you might be hurt by this and it might be hard to believe. However the evidence is there! If you plant the seed of potatoes you will not get Tomato! Please bro be realistic. Not only am I of Arab lineage but I have the appearance and DNA to support it. Not even all xamar cadcads are Arabs. Somalia existed thousands of years ago, before 'Britain' and all these countries.

The most supposedly authentic Qurayshi we know of is the cow of Jordan who refused to take test last time I checked. And the king of Morocco who was found to be an e1b1b. The rest of the so called Qurayshi have no scientific evidence proving their genealogy, all they have is ancient manuscript regarding their nasab to the mythical cadnaan.

Qaxdaan and cadnaan are both myth, no different then the Saxons and the Angeles. Unless we dig Mohammed himself up and test his x chromosomes or Ali and test his y, then your Qurayshi nasab is no more legitimate then that of Agha Khan or Ayatula Khumayni.

Sit cool little Arab boy these things are beyond your calibre.

[AlHatimiWalShashi]

X.Playa Sem, Ham and Japeth are not mythical dude please. This was known for THOUSANDS of years and a random guy comes to belie their existence? This was agreed upon by even Jews, Christians and other nations. This is concrete FACT. http://islamqa.info/en/130293