SOMALILAND TO SEEK STATEHOOD VIA LEGAL ARBITRATION.

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Sahan

Your fighting a battle you can't win, as gurey said the population controls the leadership and they are scared to death of them, I would be too from a big vicious, emotionally driven mob, the only way they will give up secessionism is through some cataclysmic event, extreme poverty, war, infighting etc. not through rational arguments no matter how great they are, I said the same stuff you said in Hargaisa and was almost mobbed for it, it's a great trait to have but also a very dangerous one, great because it gives great stability, dangerous because you can't really do what's in the nations best interest, look at how emotional even the intellectuals get on here?

[abdikarim86]

Sahan

Your fighting a battle you can't win, as gurey said the population controls the leadership and they are scared to death of them, I would be too from a big vicious, emotionally driven mob, the only way they will give up secessionism is through some cataclysmic event, extreme poverty, war, infighting etc. not through rational arguments no matter how great they are, I said the same stuff you said in Hargaisa and was almost mobbed for it, it's a great trait to have but also a very dangerous one, great because it gives great stability, dangerous because you can't really do what's in the nations best interest, look at how emotional even the intellectuals get on here?

Why do you assume unity with you is the rational option?

Why should we unite with an utterly failed country just because we share a language/religion?

More to the point why should we Isaaq sacrifice everything for something that did not
work in the past and will almost certainly not work in the future (due to the cultural differences already highlighted)?

By all means be against secessionism. But do not act like as if being ruled from the Amisom colony is
the "rational" option for us.

Secessionism is the rational option for us! Anything else would most likely lead to never ending instability/war.

[gurey25]

My friends I feel obligated to reiterate my position as I believe my esteemed brother Gurey's viewpoint is the prevailing one among our youth here .
As the title suggests Somaliland is considering international arbitration .As I often like to remind everyone , we dont live in a bubble . There are ramifications in Africa to this path . If Somaliland wins its case , it is the end of Mali {tuareg secessionist in the north} , the end Nigeria {secessionist movement in the South } , the end of Morocco { secessionist movement in the west } and the end of Lybia {a formerly secessionist movement in the East now 1 of the 2 governments of that country }

You are wrong on 2 point my brother, this is not my view, i am a Somaliweynist and a Unionist ,
i am just not a damn fool like most of the other Isaaq unionists.
I have been nearly mobbed in burco and hargeisa when i suggested different ideas..

the second point is that we are different from darfur, Nigeria etc,
we have a colonial border that meets all the criterea, and our legal case is stronger than Eritrea, and South Sudan, on purely legal terms.
Ofcourse Eritrea got their independence by conquering Ethiopia, creating a government for it and making them sign on the dotted line, while they had troops in Addis Ababa.
South Sudan got it through US muscle, brute force.

Kosovo also through brute force, and its independence is illegal according to international law.
Same with crimea, why do you think Putins response was, Look at Kosovo, if you can do that i can do crimea.

Legality is 100% on Somalilands side,
the challange is getting there.

[SahanGalbeed]

Listen Gurey , back when I first went there , I used to have a journal , a diary , in which I used to write every night all the things that I have observed and my feelings . They thought I ws a spy working for Ismael Omar Guelleh's secret police they stole my journal and had it translated by a french speaking guy without ever returning it . Their biggest crime is ignorance .One does not let a fool commit suicide just because he doesn't know any better . I am not talking about Kosovo or Darfur , I am talking about the Tuareg , and Biafra, Polisario western Sahara and the Senussis in Lybia , cases that have their legal relevance just as Somaliland , not adding the disparity in the ethnic background for the most part.
Somaliland is going to seek international arbitration , okay , they have to ! My point is don't do it because it the event you lose , you will lose big much more than if you initiate a path to joining a federal Somalia . Now if they win , they win of course But suicide is not an option .

[GAMES]

For you guys to get Ictiraaf or independence, u would have to fullfill some conditions and requirements:

-Referendum held in every small tuulo, city and Xaafad. People would be asked to vote and if more than 35% of the votes NO, than i am really sorry sxbayaa. There would be no Ictiraaf.

-Democracy and the rule of law would have to be respected. There also have to be free press, that means u can't just arrest people like u have been doing when u disagree with them.

-You would have to take 50% of the Somali national debt to foreigners. There would also be no more hand outs from Somalis to u you. You are on your own.

If u can fulfil those, than u can become a country.

[SahanGalbeed]

It is going to be decided by an international court Games .

[SahanGalbeed]

I sincerely and fundamentally believe that the Isaaq are an intelligent people . To an intelligent people you tell intelligent things . I have spent half of my life promoting a "product" that nobody but my immediate family has been buying . The world is literally going global and so should I .

Idoor 101

[GAMES]

It is going to be decided by an international court Games .

Ok, thats even better.

[Rambie]

And what will we do if they said no?
By going through legal channels and failing, you indirectly accept(ed) to come under Xamar.

[Togdeer]

For you guys to get Ictiraaf or independence, u would have to fullfill some conditions and requirements:

-Referendum held in every small tuulo, city and Xaafad. People would be asked to vote and if more than 35% of the votes NO, than i am really sorry sxbayaa. There would be no Ictiraaf.

-Democracy and the rule of law would have to be respected. There also have to be free press, that means u can't just arrest people like u have been doing when u disagree with them.

-You would have to take 50% of the Somali national debt to foreigners. There would also be no more hand outs from Somalis to u you. You are on your own.

If u can fulfil those, than u can become a country.

Not really, when Scotland had a referendum only the people of Scotland voted. The rest of the U.K. Did not vote.

[GAMES]

Togdheer, i meant a referendum in the 5 states that SL wants to secede with. Awdal, Waqooyi G, Togdheer, Sool and Sanaag.

There would have to be 1 man 1 vote. Somalia would need to have election monitors on the ground to make sure there is no corruption or musuqmaasuq durian voting.

If the Somali government sees no fraud and 90% of the people vote for independence, than we would grant you an Ictiraaf.

Simple as that.

[JSL3000]

Alot people don't understand somaliland has the legal right to regain its sovereignty it has the strongest case there is especially compare to other states that got there recognition after 91.

somaliland is not a successionist state but merely a independent state trying to disolve a failed union, it has every right to do.

If somaliland gets heard at international court this will be serious blow to somalia, it will be a nail in the coffin and the most unique case.

[JSL3000]

Games in a referendum you don't need 90 percent all jsl all it needs is 51 percent and they have already conducted a referendum in 2001 and 97 percent voted yes 3 percent voted no.y

You can't go against the people will you can argue with us all day at the end the people will destroy you if you get in their way.

And finally once more somaliland isn't a successionist case.

[GAMES]

In the same token, what if Somalis voted and the majority said no to Ictiraaf, what then?

Since the Ictiraaf doons make up 15-20% of the Somali population.

Than u would have to respect the wishes of the majority sxb.

[JSL3000]

Games they did that in 1961 that's how they force the fake union thats were the term walanweyn come from since 1961 somaliland has voted no for against the union this time around we can't be fooled we have the advantage we control our lands and the referendum will only be held with in the somaliland territory.

The vast majority believe somaliland should regain its sovereignty at no matter what.

The unionist are very few and numeriously outnumbered they probably around 5 to 10 percent.