Why don't Somalis give blood or donate organs etc.?

[AirBitaale]

Mach, it is not entirely based on logic alone, but using your head is vital in Islam because if logic and critical thinking were not [vital] in Islam, crazy people, children and even animals would be responsible as sane adults are!

[X.Playa]

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duqa let's make a deal.
sidad u daysay diinta islamka, arrimohadana u daa![/quote]

Islam is no different then other mumbo-jumbo religion, but it's adherents and devotees are fanatical bitchess with zero logic.

[barbarossa]

This has got nothing to do with religion! It just so happens that we Skinnies are in the business of taking lives, not preserving them!

[Machiavelli2]

Mach, it is not entirely based on logic alone, but using your head is vital in Islam because if logic and critical thinking were not [vital] in Islam, crazy people, children and even animals would be responsible as sane adults are!

Ina Adeer

I agree with you and I haven't mentioned above its based only on logic. Critical thinking and we Somalis are poles apart. You will hear stories of Somali cab drivers refusing or throwing out blind people and their guide dogs out of their cabs. Cabbies refusing fares of people with sealed and covered alcohol bottles. The justification they supply to all these is, 'it's against Islam'. Their source is some traditional "sheikh" who's afraid of dogs and hates them all. One who doesn't understand the laws of our land aren't applicable here when you are serving customers who are acting within the law. Where's the critical thinking?

[AirBitaale]

Machiavelli, I know you didn't say it is only logic; I just wanted to say that for the record!

Can you elaborate about the cabs and dogs?

[Machiavelli2]

Machiavelli, I know you didn't say it is only logic; I just wanted to say that for the record!

Can you elaborate about the cabs and dogs?

I understand that but mentioned for the record too not to be misinterpreted by others.

As for cabs and dogs, it goes way back to our culture of being phoebic and scared of dogs. Some cab drivers refused to ferry blind passengers and their guide dogs because they insisted that it is against our religion to carry such an animal in their cabs.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

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duqa let's make a deal.
sidad u daysay diinta islamka, arrimohadana u daa!

Islam is no different then other mumbo-jumbo religion, but it's adherents and devotees are fanatical bitchess with zero logic.

Hyper ban xawayankan again. Adeer go sign up athiest-spot we won't tolerate u mocking/insulting our religion

[X.Playa]

Why you guys get emotional and bitcgy when it comes to religion

[lifeisbloodyhard]

Why you guys get emotional and bitcgy when it comes to religion

You're out of order. You know why they are getting emotional. Look at what you're doing and ask yourself if you are a good person.

[X.Playa]

I can question Christianity and no Christian would foam at the mouth, why Muslims cry foul all the time and whine?

[AirBitaale]

Machiavelli, I know you didn't say it is only logic; I just wanted to say that for the record!

Can you elaborate about the cabs and dogs?

I understand that but mentioned for the record too not to be misinterpreted by others.

As for cabs and dogs, it goes way back to our culture of being phoebic and scared of dogs. Some cab drivers refused to ferry blind passengers and their guide dogs because they insisted that it is against our religion to carry such an animal in their cabs.

I see.

I'm to some extent "dog-phobic" myself but I'm not in the west. I guess it is first world problems for me. lol


Why not offer them some kind of cover for the dogs to sit on, and take the money?

[InaSamaale]

You don't need a sheikh who doesn't live in the Western world tell you what is halal or haram through his own reasoning. Some say, living in "Darul Kufur" is haram. Others say, taking welfare from non Muslims is haram. Islam is a religion based on logic and there are 10,000 different views and opinions about our modern issues that we face today in our technological advancing world. Blood and organ donations are such new phenomenon we have to navigate and deal with it. When you or a loved one, for example a child, husband or wife requires a blood transfusion or an organ donation, will you receive any donation, or ask the doctors that you will only receive a Muslim's blood or organs and nothing else? Should blood and organs kept in hospitals be segregated according to one's religion? Not every family member that requires an organ donation will get a compatible organ from a close relative even if they are willing to donate to h/her. What hospitals do today, is gather a cluster of relatives of different patients waiting for donors and who are willing to donate organs to them. They swap these organs according to compatibility among the different recipients. Organ donation as a barter system.

Bro, I agree with the gist of your post but I do think that statement is highly problematic. If religion is based on merely 'aqal then there wouldn't be need of divine revelation.


Maybe you meant there is flexibility in the application of the deen, based on ones understanding of evidence and that I agree with.

[Machiavelli2]

Ina Samaale

Ina Adeer, indeed our religion is a divine revelation, but modern scientific related inventions we face today requires new judgements. That is when logic intervenes and is required a robust scholar with both religious training and basic scientific and worldly knowledge to make these calls. They will use both the divine revelation and their scientific knowledge to reach a consensus decision to guide the Muslims. Sheikh Ahmed Dheere who has no basic knowledge in science might err in his judgement. That is what I mean by logical reasoning.