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Ben Dover wrote:This blatant (though admirable) attempt at writing historical fiction should have ended as soon as Ramzy brought forth a copy of the book in its original Arabic. It clearly reads Magaadle.

Rooble tried, well and true, and at times his concocted half-truths would flow mellifluously and even appear to hold hints of truth.

Looking back at the walls of texts, the various snippets from tangential sources, the MS Paint edited maps, one cant help cheering him on. He should be applauded for his brave attempt :)

Now here's what you missed from last year:

The principle of parsimony:

The parsimony principle is basic to all science and tells us to choose the simplest scientific explanation that fits the evidence.



Ramzy etc. are the conspiracy theorists.

Rooble didn't even have to do anything other than give the source (by professionals).
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Ben Dover wrote:This blatant (though admirable) attempt at writing historical fiction should have ended as soon as Ramzy brought forth a copy of the book in its original Arabic. It clearly reads Magaadle.

Rooble tried, well and true, and at times his concocted half-truths would flow mellifluously and even appear to hold hints of truth.

Looking back at the walls of texts, the various snippets from tangential sources, the MS Paint edited maps, one cant help cheering him on. He should be applauded for his brave attempt :)
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ramzy2277 wrote:
Ben Dover wrote:This blatant (though admirable) attempt at writing historical fiction should have ended as soon as Ramzy brought forth a copy of the book in its original Arabic. It clearly reads Magaadle.

Rooble tried, well and true, and at times his concocted half-truths would flow mellifluously and even appear to hold hints of truth.

Looking back at the walls of texts, the various snippets from tangential sources, the MS Paint edited maps, one cant help cheering him on. He should be applauded for his brave attempt :)
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Hey guys,

Why don't you throw me a party for singlehandedly raising your IQ levels?

Grab me a good sketchbook from amazon or something. C'mon, at least a group hug.

I promise I'll stop the karbashing brah. If it makes you guys feel any better, I do this everywhere, from Texas to Guatemala.


P.S:

Rooble,

Never mind BendOver there, you can see he's swag jacking but he's lying with it, so it's useless.
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Re: Mujahid-Imam-Sheikh Samaroon Said (Radi Allahu 'Anhu)

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Maqida makadoor lool this guy his whole point was maqiida wa makadoor makadoor are not even called Habar makadoor but only makadoor. besides gadabuursi never took part of the jihad,, weak clans never take part of wars , its not in gadabuursi trait and behavor to wage war. they had one minister in afweyne govt they never waged war. they were majority once in Djibouti but never waged war againt the french and the ciise. gadabuursi iyo ogaden oo waligood is dilay na lama sheegin and now this guy is telling us gadabuursi led the jIhaad, wuxu miskiinsana adeer reerkinu wa reer masaakin ah waxar ma dili karan. Habar magaaadle is mentioned in all history books one of the most powerful clans in the north.
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Actually, RoobleWaliid's evidence was overwhelming, and the tribes who took part in that jihad still live in that region. But somehow others are getting emotional and want the new addition of Habar Magaadle into that history by any means necessary. I mean the challenge that Rooble presented was which section of Habar Magaadle was there? Why wasn't your tribal chieftain mentioned? Nothing was forthcoming. Come'n people, everything that Ramzy did was photoshop :deadrose:

RoobleWaliid, keep doing your work. :up: :up:
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Stupid Half brain qurjili ,do u think this is like ur false darawiish ( terrorist group) jihad , this is a documented Islamic history, no lies and calacal going to change what is written on the original manuscript boy.

To bust ur lie in a flash

Anyone who is interested in reading the original manuscript ,it can be found at Kind Saud university online archive .

http://makhtota.ksu.edu.sa/makhtota/554/18#.V4DbeKIn6HI


and btw, imposters cant mention anything about tribal chieftain when ur shegato dofarism is exposed in the book of futuh al xabash were it was mentioned the chieftain of the marexan was hirabo ben Guita ben Theodoros ben Adam......what kind of a Muslim Somali name is this?!.
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actually gerigoor if u were not blinded by isaaq or habar magaadle hatred u would have known that the evidence ramzy brought forward is solid and remains above water and its very simple ramzy brought forward the original manuscript in the Arabic language, rooble is running around with the french authors book and even he did not mention makaduur or habar makaduur any where but he mentioned habar maqdi. Rooble sounds like love yar oo indho adag oo beri kacsaday oo hadana garan la ninkey u kacsatay. this topic ended long time ago. No need to go back and forth.
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Khalid Ali wrote:Maqida makadoor lool this guy his whole point was maqiida wa makadoor makadoor are not even called Habar makadoor but only makadoor. besides gadabuursi never took part of the jihad,, weak clans never take part of wars , its not in gadabuursi trait and behavor to wage war. they had one minister in afweyne govt they never waged war. they were majority once in Djibouti but never waged war againt the french and the ciise. gadabuursi iyo ogaden oo waligood is dilay na lama sheegin and now this guy is telling us gadabuursi led the jIhaad, wuxu miskiinsana adeer reerkinu wa reer masaakin ah waxar ma dili karan. Habar magaaadle is mentioned in all history books one of the most powerful clans in the north.
They have never been majority in Djibouti.

As for the topic ... It ended the minute the original documents were brought forward.
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Not only is Habr Makador favored over Habr Magadle in the English book by scholars. Also genealogy mentioned is proof of the Habr Makador

For instance Habr Maqadi is mentioned without the r.
And one individual from the clan tracing his genealogy to Makida. It's not a coincidence.
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Most of the English sources on this are referencing the original Arabic volume, quoted above, in which one can see Habar Magaadle clearly written without the need for all of this Arabic spelling voodoo.
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It's not the original document it's a transcribed copy from the 19th century.
If it was Magadle then the other Arabic document would have that too. It's the transcriber's handwriting which gives the mirage.
Rooble even references the same sentence in a other Arabic document which reads Habar Maqadi.
It's Maqadi. Correspondingly genealogy , territorial reasons and the english version support the Habar Makador
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ramzy2277 wrote:Stupid Half brain qurjili ,do u think this is like ur false darawiish ( terrorist group) jihad , this is a documented Islamic history, no lies and calacal going to change what is written on the original manuscript boy.

To bust ur lie in a flash

Anyone who is interested in reading the original manuscript ,it can be found at Kind Saud university online archive .

http://makhtota.ksu.edu.sa/makhtota/554/18#.V4DbeKIn6HI


and btw, imposters cant mention anything about tribal chieftain when ur shegato dofarism is exposed in the book of futuh al xabash were it was mentioned the chieftain of the marexan was hirabo ben Guita ben Theodoros ben Adam......what kind of a Muslim Somali name is this?!.
There is nowhere in that document that Habar Magaadle was mentioned. You can throw around insults all you want but you've been challenged to bring any proof of Habar Magaadle or any tribal chieftain, and you didn't.

As for Dervishes, they waged a real Jihad for 21 years without the backing of any foreign power; at least, Fatuxal Habush had Ottoman Support.

Besides, Daarood subclans such as Gerri Koombe, Bartire, Harti, and Mareexaan were all documented in their participation. Even Gerri Koombe and Mareexaan chieftains were mentioned. But no Habar Magaadle chieftain was mentioned :deadrose: Even the Yibir and Hawiye were documented; however, no where that Habar Magaadle was documented. It is a new addition lately.

Btw, can you prove a clan named Habar Magaadle existed at that time? Do you have any original source document that shows that a clan named Habar Magaadle were around at that time? :deadrose:

Gegiroor being a hater? You and others are emotional. Watch the blood pressure, man. This is cyberspace. No one is proving anything. It is all talk. I aint a hater but a good basher. And there's a difference between the two.

At the end of the day, this was our own Jihaad - all Somali Muslims, beesha Daarood fuly dominated it. 8-)

Final, easy with the insults 8-)
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ramzy2277 wrote:Stupid Half brain qurjili ,do u think this is like ur false darawiish ( terrorist group) jihad , this is a documented Islamic history, no lies and calacal going to change what is written on the original manuscript boy.

To bust ur lie in a flash

Anyone who is interested in reading the original manuscript ,it can be found at Kind Saud university online archive .

http://makhtota.ksu.edu.sa/makhtota/554/18#.V4DbeKIn6HI


and btw, imposters cant mention anything about tribal chieftain when ur shegato dofarism is exposed in the book of futuh al xabash were it was mentioned the chieftain of the marexan was hirabo ben Guita ben Theodoros ben Adam......what kind of a Muslim Somali name is this?!.
:dead: :dead:

Their made up tribe has no legitimacy what so ever
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Ramzy, sorry for intrrupting you

I read fotouh al habasha there is هرتى اهل ميط not حرتى

There is هبر مقدى and هبر مجادلى written as هبر مجدلى with the hamza of connection/ همزة الوصل same as الرحمن

So are these two habro isaaqs? They sound closer to harar by arriving first

Majority of clans r from northwest/east like these habro, gurgura who were classified in the book as somali clan-I heard they used to be based in awdal back then, harti darood, mareexaan, bartire, geri since there is no E in the semitic vowels it can't be garre but there is graan

Occasionally hawiye was mentioned so they were mainly gurgura/dir/isaaq and daarood bc of the northern demographics

Non somali clans: lost xarla clans, cafar, tigre/bani amir and few mahara from oman

What a great history may Allah bring somalis together again.
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Who lives on former Adal Sultanate territory now?

- Dir (Gadabursi, Cisse, Gurage)
- Darood ( Jidwaq, Geri, Ogaden)
- Sheikhal
- Madhibaan


Adal history belongs to those 4 groups who's current lands were controlled by the Sultanates.

No need to claim other people's history if you have none
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