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[theyuusuf143]

Prince Nugaal , saaxib let me be Honest with you the Isaaq really are the most reasonable people on the face of the planet they are very open and what u see is what u get Somaliland politicians since the 1990s have been nothing but nice welcoming to your people never ever have they shown any sort of hostilities to you since the republic was re claimed in 1991 i am not talking about the skimirishes in Kalshaale that got out of hand. But the overall majority of the time the people of SL the leaders have been nothing but very welcoming to your people.

The problem really is ur politicians Somaliland is an open market state a democracy it is not a dictatorship it has good governance it has its problems but for all the wrong reasons ur people have opposed it and preferred to stay with the Anarchists in dirty south and prefer the Amisom project my question is what gives AFTER Being disrespected by the successive walanweyn leaders have rejected Khatumo SSC as a political formula and a state with in Somalia. My question is what is the reason why ur people dont trust us we have not xasuuuqed ur people like the hutus have done in the 1990s we have not confiscated ur belongings. Ur blaming SL leaders for working with Xaglatoosiye and xaabsade but that is the best we can get from u ur leader Galaydh professor galaydh prefers to be a butler in an Abgaal Kitchen run by an Ugandan cook. I mean i would have understood u if Somaliland only allowed isaaq to rule only Isaaq to have rights only if Isaaq were allowed to have everything but that is far from it i would have understood if Somaliland was a dictatorship we rejected Afweyne not because he is afweyne or darood we would have rejected him in 1970 if that was the case it was because he snatched our main source of income from US the livestock trade and refused to stop the harassment of our people in The Somali region the dictatorship the lack of development in Somaliland.

But why on earth would u reject the best model Somalis have in the Somali peninsula and prefer to work with the demolition crew. Isaaaqs politicians are mostly like the Yusuf and Ben dover the HJ are now leading they would have loved to have an alliance with you in the political spectrum of SL why do u think xaglatoosiye lost to seylici for the vp because no one can trust ur not an active player u prefer not play ur cards in Somaliland and sit in a dark ally , so my question is what is it that u want do u want horses u guys love horses do u guys want us to create horse races in sool for u what will satisfy you is it ministerial positions is it the president or vp that u want is it Money development projects all can be negotiated do u want a statue for sayid siigeyste in laascanood we can build one for u if u like. I suggested even a statue for garaad ali the dhulbahante garaad who rejected the Union in 1960 in the center of Hargeysa i consider him waayoarag and aragti fog it cant be that u like darood or u prefer darood unity because u cant deal or work with MJs so that cant be it, and i dont believe u love the Hutus for they cant be even loved by Mother Theresa so saaxib bal naga dhaadici dhibaatadu halkay ka jirto silaanyo has suggested gogol nabad gogol sharfeed gogol garaadeed gogol Somaliland ah isigu ka keena and we can work things out but all of this have been rejected by you . So what do u want us to do to give up on sool and do nothing we cant do that meeshi adigi ba ka maqan

Gacanyare

This is well articulated argument. Brilliant, If you are this smart why do you sometimes behave like a stupid. Nimanka dhulos dhanxiir, baa innaga dhex shaqeeyee Hadaynu maalinwalba iskawada qayilno, Hablaha iskawasno, iska wada kaftanno, company kasta oo ganacsi Lagu dhiirigeliyo inay share ku darsadaan, fursado ganacsi, kasiino, galbeedka yagana xagooda u Dabomarno, urteenu isdiidimayso. Markaynu isku dhex Qasano sida caano fiintoo ga, danbaynu Isula jaanqaadi.

[theyuusuf143]

PNH Inabti, there is hardly any reasonable Idoor on SNET you can have a rationale discussion with. They're all filled with cuqdad and hatred for us Dhulos and anybody Darod. The only solution they can think of for the Harti & Isaaq disagreement is; either move out of the land or except somaliland without questions.

bulshit there is no force we isaaq know like no other that force can never work it didnt work with us so it wont work with others understanding mutual respect and to live together in the land god gave us is the way forward. we have no interest to put all our resources in the military when we can spend our money on education health and the economy we know what is best there is no reason for hatred

If that's the case you need to open a genuine and pragmatic dialogue with the Harti people. No poxy little conference in a tiny village out of the way is going to be acknowledged as a form of reconciliation and merger. Like PNH said you'll have to include the authentic leaders, intellectuals, Isimo, etc. who have authority in Harti affairs in any negotiations. Also If you Isaaq are serious about building a nation were all the citizens are equal and are represented you'll need to make a great deal of changes.

Just to mention a few:

- Stop putting so much emphasis on the SNM, they aren't no glorius heros to all the people in Somaliland
- Stop blaming Said Barre's actions for the Harti clans
- Rewrite the constitution
- Change the capital from Hargeisa to somewhere in the middle of the country.
- The history of the Dervish Movement should be nationally celebrated
- Change the flag to include some form acknowledge for the ethnic Somali flag (current flag of Somalia)
- Proportional representation should be applied to the government (from ministers to the office cleaners)
- National day should be the 26th of June instead of 18 May

1. If you can't unite to deal with us, as one dhuloos block. , then don't blame us if we deal any dhulos open for dialogue. we prefer to sign a comprehensive agreement with all dhuloos clans. But have no choice if some of you are not ready for talk.

2. SNM is part and parcel of the Somaliland history. It must be in the syllabus students have the choice to write history essays about first mujahidin (Adal empire) the second mujahidin (dervishes) or the last mujahidin (SNM) . These three groups all originated in our country and they are among the top 5 Somali Peninsula political movements with the kacaan, and WSlf/SYL.

3. Agree said Barre actions should not be blamed on any one except some of his army leaders. If isaaqs blame Morgan it does not isaaqs are blaming MJs or Harti. He is just well known criminal.

4. The Constitution is not complete any way it will be amended many times, it's up to you to draft and present some articles you think are important.
5. That's not big deal the government can decide their capital. I prefer sheikh.

6. Absolutely agree, the history of dervishes is big part of Somaliland history. It should be in syllabus, dervish heroes and wars should be landmarked. Lots of books about their rights and wrongs should be published.

7. Only if Somalia recognize us as brotherly nation, we can put some Somaliweyn solidarity on our flag. If not the black star will never be changed.

8. Agree there must be fair representation.

6. Both June and may are national days. The first is the independence day it's the main day. The second is the liberty day . Both should be celebrated nationwide.

[Timiro1999]

burcaawi14 I was talking recently to one of the daughters of their garaads . Most of the children of their garaads live in
Hargeisa and have houses there, in few years time they will claim that they are "reer Hargeisa" Lol. Most of them live
in the Sacad Muuse neighborhoods and that is where you can find them in Hargeisa.

Wax walba ka filo, waxa la yidhi dagaalkii faqashta lala galay ka hor dhulbahante Ceerigaabo degaanaa wuu iska yaraa ilaa dhawr reer ama ka yar lkn imika waabay sheegtan Ceerigaabo.
Gadhweyntaan u ogolaanahaynin haday sheegan lahaayen.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

The Yusuf, Khaalid is smart honestly mar maar bu qasta lol u don't blame him, I can't help myself sometimes. Compromise is the way.

Saciid Dhulos with Horses racing and camels grazing, with poem recitations is Heaven lol

Xiimaya & Sharmaarke Inaader we are on our own, We have to think about our future, we have wasted 25 years let's not waste 50.

[JSLHistorian]

burcaawi14 I was talking recently to one of the daughters of their garaads . Most of the children of their garaads live in
Hargeisa and have houses there, in few years time they will claim that they are "reer Hargeisa" Lol. Most of them live
in the Sacad Muuse neighborhoods and that is where you can find them in Hargeisa.

Wax walba ka filo, waxa la yidhi dagaalkii faqashta lala galay ka hor dhulbahante Ceerigaabo degaanaa wuu iska yaraa ilaa dhawr reer ama ka yar lkn imika waabay sheegtan Ceerigaabo.
Gadhweyntaan u ogolaanahaynin haday sheegan lahaayen.

Hadaaba dhawr reer ba ka jooga. Guryaha Ceerigaabo badanka waxa iska leh H-Y Bari. Warsangelina wayba ka guureen meesha
waxay degen Badhan iyo melehas. Kuwan forumka soo gaala waxay isku khaldayan degmaada iyo magaaalada. Degmaada ayii
afar tuulo ku leyihiin oo hoos yiimaada degmaada Ceerigaabo markas bay iis moodeen inay magaalada wax ka yihiin Lol.

[MujahidAishah]

Warsan and dhulos waa

[cyanide]

PrinceNugaalHawd sounds like a sheegato

[hangool79]

We sat down and talked in 1992 as clan to clan
then with Xaabsade and co in 2007
then with SSC and Xaqlatosiye
and now you want us to talk with Khatumo???

this is just nonsense, truth is dhulos are flipfloppers and unstable, not trustworty, the very fool leading Khatumo is a former recipient of Burco peace deal and former SL politician.

JSLhistory came with a very good proposal, dhulos are better off to pack and leave en masse for jubboyinka, to live with your MOD cousins.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

Dhulbahante dantooda ma yaqaaniin. They could've sidelined Gadabuursi and become a substantial political force if they allied with Kulmiye back in 2010 instead they chose to support SSC terrorists. Look at that has got them. Zilch.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Dhulbahante dantooda ma yaqaaniin. They could've sidelined Gadabuursi and become a substantial political force if they allied with Kulmiye back in 2010 instead they chose to support SSC terrorists. Look at that has got them. Zilch.

What if they joined and sidelined your Grumpy ass politically lol

[Ben Dover]

Dhulbahante dantooda ma yaqaaniin. They could've sidelined Gadabuursi and become a substantial political force if they allied with Kulmiye back in 2010 instead they chose to support SSC terrorists. Look at that has got them. Zilch.

What if they joined and sidelined your Grumpy ass politically lol

That would not be the case. Your influence in SL is inflated at the moment for being the only major non Isaaq bloc in SL. As soon as real participation from Dhulbahante is reached you stand to lose most initially, for one, the automatic Samaroon VP position will be gone.

With that being noted, it will also increase your chances of getting another Samaroon president, this is because in the past you would shy away from fielding a presidential candidate because of your guaranteed VP post.

I guess things will even out.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Dhulbahante dantooda ma yaqaaniin. They could've sidelined Gadabuursi and become a substantial political force if they allied with Kulmiye back in 2010 instead they chose to support SSC terrorists. Look at that has got them. Zilch.

What if they joined and sidelined your Grumpy ass politically lol

That would not be the case. Your influence in SL is inflated at the moment for being the only major non Isaaq bloc in SL. As soon as real participation from Dhulbahante is reached you stand to lose most initially, for one, the automatic Samaroon VP position will be gone.

With that being noted, it will also increase your chances of getting another Samaroon president, this is because in the past you would shy away from fielding a presidential candidate because of your guaranteed VP post.

I guess things will even out.

Nah your influence is inflated lol if Harti participated beesha dhexe influence would decrease drastically.

[Ben Dover]

- Stop putting so much emphasis on the SNM, they aren't no glorius heros to all the people in Somaliland
- Stop blaming Said Barre's actions for the Harti clans
- Rewrite the constitution
- Change the capital from Hargeisa to somewhere in the middle of the country.
- The history of the Dervish Movement should be nationally celebrated
- Change the flag to include some form acknowledge for the ethnic Somali flag (current flag of Somalia)
- Proportional representation should be applied to the government (from ministers to the office cleaners)
- National day should be the 26th of June instead of 18 May

That is a good starting position but two points relating to the highlighted suggestions above:

- SNM is none-negotiable. If you want to sit down with Isaaq you must accept this. Their history and merit will be embraced by all and shall be celebrated. Without them there would be no Somaliland today.

- To make the above point more palatable to Dhulbahante, the Dervish movement will equally be embraced by the state and its history celebrated. I am no fan of the Mad Mulla but if he is that important to you I am sure we can figure something out.

I think everything else is very reasonable starting position.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

The SNM is important to the Isaaq community & So is Dervish history to us. they are both important and history of our land.

June 26th is Important to all Comunities it's what unites us, and May 18 is important since it's the day SL took back its independence. (Isaaq usually support the later) but in order to gain International support you have to convince the world you were a country that gained independence from England on June 26 and later entered a union you don't want to be part of no more. But to say may 18 is our Independence Day from a recognized country that doesn't want to let us go, won't help. Point is they are both important.

[luis1]

All somalis must know their history, this is a right and a duty for them

I think Somalia history is very amazing. It is a history of Wars,defeats,victories, suffering,hope and tragedy.