Dervish documents from the British Archives

[original dervish]

Although there were many clans represented in the Dervishes......no clan has more martyrs than the Dhulbahante.
The Nugaal valley is to Somalia what gallipoli is to Australia/New Zealand ......the birth place of Somali nationalism.

[ramzy2277]

how can you speak about Somali nationalism when you and your qabiil destroyed every meaning of somali nationalism.!!

[theyuusuf143]

Although there were many clans represented in the Dervishes......no clan has more martyrs than the Dhulbahante.
The Nugaal valley is to Somalia what gallipoli is to Australia/New Zealand ......the birth place of Somali nationalism.

I challenge you that darvishes didn't know our land as Somalia, they knew only Somaliland or dhulka Soomaaliyeed.

[original dervish]

Before the Dervish movement there was only clans......during and after the wars a Somali consciousnesses began to take hold.

[Musa26]

Before the Dervish movement there was only clans......during and after the wars a Somali consciousnesses began to take hold.

very good point but you still didnt answer theyusuf's question

[gegiroor]

These people want to remove the word Iidoor from every poem that Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) described their treachery. Once people want to claim a history that they have no part of contributing, of course, they will come up every false story, take text out of context, deny the ones that don't fit their narrative, and run with every bogus story as facts, but it is truth that always prevails.

Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) came up this poem in 1905 in Eyl and Ilig Daldala when some Iidoors went to him and asked him that the Dervishes should stop attacking them. Sayid Mohamed Muhamad A Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) is describing their treachery and many of the battles that they betrayed the Muslims and sided with the Kuffaar British, and how he would never trust them!!

Xusenow1 caqligu kaama baxo, idam Ilaahaye
Ha laguu aqbalo duca san baan, kuu akhriyaaye
Ifkana waaya noo joog, nimaan aaminaad tahaye

Haddaad umaaddo waan kuu hubaa, ina uduu kheyre
Asaxaabihii baad u tegi, udugga weynaayee
Irdihii jannada inaad ka geli, waa ogsoonahaye

Hawl kalana waa erey yaraan, kuu erganayaaye
Alla igama qaadoew adaan, kala illaawayne
Eedaanka maqal waa salaad, loo addimayaaye

Ilaahi abuurba kuwii diiday, amarkiisa
Ambiyaalihii iyo kuwii, awliyada caayay
Asxaabti dariiqada kuwii, awlaxa u qaaday

Ikhyaarkooda nimankii kufriga, uga adeegaayey
Aan lagu igraahine kalgacal, ugu abraaraayey
Kuwii ubad nasaaraad noqdee, ferenji aanaysatay

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Aw-Cabbaas2 diley, dadkaan eedi kala gaarin
Oo uunka kala fiijiyee, kala irdheysiiyey

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Mililikh3 aabbe u yehee, u arrin qaadaayo
Oo xabashi eegi u noqdee, u ololaynaayey

Ingiriiska nimankii wadee, nagu aseebaayey
Afbakayle4 nimankii wadee, nagu aseebaayey
Ee Oodagooyiyo5 na dhigay, aydii Daratoole6

Nimankii ikhwaankii jaree, aabiga u laayey
Ragga ehelukheyrkaa warmaha, kala ajoon waayey
Oo umal daraaddiis girliga, ugu afuufaayey

Idilkoodba nimankii dagaal, iigu imaanaayey
Nimankaan inkaaree madfaca, ololi ii haysatey
Ee ubaxcaddaydii hartiga, oofta kaga joojay

Nimankii iniinaha ka dhigay, Ilig7 wixii joogay
Ee Eerago8 iyo Batalo9, igu uquumeeyey
Ee omoska Beerdhiga10 tukaha, igu ormaysiiyey

Nimankii ayaantii Gumburo11, oboda ii dhiibay
Ardaashii Jidbaalle12 i heshee, igu unuun goysay
Nimankii uluuf iyo uluuf, igu agoomeeyey

Nimankii adduunkeygii dhacay, ariyo geeliiba
Anigoo islaamaba kuwii, ii arxami waayay
Nimankaan Ilaahoow lahaa, eyda iga doono

Abaalkayga nimankii ba’shee, ii istixayn waayey
Ahabtiyo ergeyntii kuwii, lagala ayn waayey
Nimankii ijaabada ka tagay, aakhiru sabanka

Nimankii iblays nagu diray, naga ajoon waayey
Nimankii arlada Eebbahay, naga ugaareeyey
Nimankii awaaraha buska leh, nagu eryoonaayay

Ninkii abaartii caleed, Bari na aadsiiyay
Argalkiyo rasaastii kuwii, nagu igbaaraayay
Ee urugadaan qabiyo ciil, igu abaadsiiyey

Nimankii ilmada iga qubee, oohin iga keenay
Nimankaan ku alaladay markii, uunku wada jiifay
Nimankii ujuurada cunee, iibkii ii bixiyey

Nimankii intaas nagu falaan, na asaraareynin
Waxba yey addoomaha Ilaah, nooga aargudine
Waxba yaan adduun layga siin, ilintidaydiiyee

Utuntayda waa heli haddaan, iilka lay dhigine
Araraha intaan marahayey, igu arkaayaane
Maruun baan sidii aar libaax, oodda soo jebinne

Ashtakooda’aa iyo warqado, ku andacoodaaba
Mar haddaan shareecadu aqoon, nimanka liddoora
Ashahaadadoodiyo ma rabo, ina wallayntooda

Mar haddaan wadaad aayad diin, ila ekeyneynin
Amaan aniga la i oran karayn, tanu ahaan mayso
Allow yaa af lama daaliyee, iga asluubaysta.

p.s., Keep in mind it is words of the leader and the founder of the Dervishes movement decribing the treachery of the Iidoors in that struggle. What more evidence does anyone need on where they stood wwhen the leader and the founder of Dervishes movement described their loyalties in those days?

[ramzy2277]

who gave this mad mullah mandate to speak in the name of Muslim somalis, who gave him the authority to declare jihad ..!!, before this terrorist came to existance somali clans in somaliland,especially those in the western regions were part of the ottman islamic empire,then to the egyptian khedewi ruler who later on signed agreements with the british to manage the somali coasts and with the consent of the local people.

so ,did the mad mullah take mandate from the ottmanis or the egpytians who are muslims to declare war on the british...!!.

there is no difference between the darawish movement and any terrorist group that shed muslim bloods and claiming they are the only savers of the deen.

[gegiroor]

Another poem from Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) that described how the Iidoors were the historic kufr lackeys and were against the Jihad against the British colonialists. Well, if the leader and the founder of the Dervishes' movement described them where they stood, what other proofs were needed?

Xuseenow warbaan kuu hayaa, waxaa tiraa weeye
Walaaloow wacdiga la ina faray, wanaag weeye
Waanadii astaadkeennu yiri, weer aan rabo weey e

Walbahaarka aakhiro inaan, wax u tabcaa weeye
Wax sanoo aan dooni iyo, inaan wax xun nacaa weeye
Wabannimo ma fiicnee inaan, wax xun nacaa weeye

Diintaan wadeecada ka dhigay, inaan wallayn weeye
Wahsi baa naftii iga jaree, inaan warfaa weeye
Wiilnimo wixii igaga tegey, waha sideed weeye

Wardigiyo shahaadada inaan, weheshadaa weeye
Weysada salaadeed inaan, waaxidsadaa weeye
Waannahaarka soon inaanan, soor waana cunin weeye

Waxaddayda maal inaanan dago, waxtar ku deyn weeye
Wixii waajiboo idil inaan, wada gutaa weeye
Waqfiqii saxaabaha inaan, waafaqsado weeye

Waayeelka xaajada inaan, ugu wacaa weeye
Haddii ay walaacaan inaan, wari iraa weeye
Xaqa lagama waabtee inaan, waa kan oron weeye

Wacad Eebbe iyo dhaaraan maray, inaan wafeyn weeye
Walle beena abidkay inaanan, wafaladeyn weeye
Haddii aanan waallayn inaan, waabsahay weeye

Wallays iyo nin wayn inaan, xurmada wada simaa weeye
Nin isoo wiciidsaday inaan, wax u galaa weeye
Wayi iyo wax sii inaan islaan, wax ugu wadaa weeye

Wadaadkii kitaabbale inaan, wan u qalaa weeye
Walaanqihiyo dheyada inuu, walafsadaa weeye
Weylaalis meel wacan inaan, ugu wadha weeye

Ina-Walabban1 oo kale inaan, weger dhahaa weeye
Wax i sii haddu yadhi inaan, walacsadaa weeye
Walasaqo wixii igula jira, inaan wireyn weeye

Ina-Shixirigii wagarsanaa, weled nijaas weeye
Warraabkii ka reysaha xumaa, waraq la goo weeye
Warqadduu magaalada u diray, talo wahaab weeye

Iidoorku weligiis inuu, wadal ahaa weeye
Walandaadi kheyr daran, inay wax u yihiin weeye
Wax inuusan garanayninoo, waalan yahay weeye

Wardigiyo shareecada inay, wada naceen weeye
Nin jihaad u weyraxay inay, wahan geshaan weeye
Sidii fule wadnihii go’ay, inay waranwaryeyn weeye

Weliyada shehiidkaa kuwii, waafka jarayi weeye
Waleecaad ha raacee Ibleys, warasadii weeye
Waqood abadankood inay kufriga, daba washlayn weeye

Usaguna walaabuu helayaa inuu, wasaa weeye
Weligood jannada inaan yibruhu, waana urin weeye
Waddada naarta loo maro inay, walashtamaan weeye

Raggii dunida waaqeelin jiray, igu waliil weeye
Sidii wabarradii loo ajalay, oh iyo way weeye
Inuu caro wiriirkeed qalbigu, ii welweli weeye

Wed hadduusan ii immaan inaan, wax u liilleyn weeye
Wasiirtii xigaalkay inaan, wadar u layn weeye
Weysaaq eolaadeed inaan, Webi tagaa weeye

Ninkaan ila wisiisiyin Ilaah, welef u keen weeye
Wecelkaas cadaabeed inuu, weera yahay weeye
Anna inaanan weligay Canjeel, wadeecadayn weeye

Ninkii gaal u waasiya inaan, wabadaraa weeye
Warammadiyo hootada inaan, kaga websin weeye
Sidii weer wadaal helay inaan, wiif ka dhigo weeye

Waraabaha dugaagihi inuu, wabaxsadaa weeye
Goortuu wiriijiyo inuu, waada guuro weeye
Wayaaggii ka soo hadhay inuu, haad waywayo weeye

Wanaskii Galbeed jaray inaan, weer u xiran weeye
Wejigoodu gubegaas inaan, col u waddeyn weeye
Sangootiga wacdowga inaan, wegaradeyn weeye

Baqahay wajiiraan inaan, walamsadaa weeye
Walkadaadka aan bado inay, walashtamaan weeye
Wasiirkooda cayreed inuu, Webi tagaa weeye

Aniguna watiinkiyo xamdiga, inaan naqaa weeye
Aniguna watiinkiyo xamdiga, inaan naqaa weeye
Aniguna watiinkiyo xamdiga, inaan naqaa weeye.

[ramzy2277]

This peom proves why did the true salahiya sufi leader mohamed ben saleh took back his blessings and approval from this mad mullah, a real muslim schoolar would never slander other muslims in public urge them for jihad.

this vile kufr legacy of poems that cuqdad ridden ppl like keep using to score cheap points ,although there is no gaalo govern us now, will only keep accumulating bad deeds to your sacred man.

[gegiroor]

Another poem Sayid Mohamed Abdalle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) was encouraging Muslims to wage war against gaalo raac, especially Iidoors, who were the allies of the British colonialists.

Macnaha gaalo raac laguma oga, magac Islaameede
Murtad weeye oo ferenjiguu, maandhihiis yahaye
Ku milaada inuu muumin noqon, uma malaysaane

Iiddoor macaankii jannada, macamidii seegye
Mursadii Berbera loo dhigay, mugane aadaane
Ku milaada maaltooyadu, waa malaanmaliye

Dad ninkii mahdiga diiday, oo gaal u muxubbaysan
Macbuud Alluu gooyay, iyo Maxamadkeenniye
Ku milaada mowtidii la naar, waa makhruun falane

Nin mahduushiguu muuqataan, maanki kula joogin
Magalootigiisii ha arkina, waa wax kaa maqane
Ku milaada caawuu mir kici, maleg Alluu keenye!

Ku milaada means no mercy for them. This is how the Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan were encouraging Muslims to treat Iidoors in those days, yet we have Iidoor SNETTERs telling us they were Dervishes. A lie never reaches that far!

Remember it is the leader and founder of Dervishes movement who were enticing Muslims to wage war on gaalo-raac, especially Iidoors, yet Iidoors kids in SNET, particularly Lagaroone Inna-Uurdoox aka X.Player, want us to ignore all of the poems of Sayid Mohamed A Hassan.

If they have any contribution to the Dervish history, why would the leader and founder Sayid Mohamed A Hassan (May Allah be pleased with them) described them as he did?

What a nonsense these people preach!!

[GabileyPrince]

Yes certain Isaaq clans were bootyclapping for the British.Mainly HY and certain sub clans of SM(small portion).

This is a historical fact!

[gegiroor]

This peom proves why did the true salahiya sufi leader mohamed ben saleh took back his blessings and approval from this mad mullah, a real muslim schoolar would never slander other muslims in public urge them for jihad.

this vile kufr legacy of poems that cuqdad ridden ppl like keep using to score cheap points ,although there is no gaalo govern us now, will only keep accumulating bad deeds to your sacred man.

This is how Sayid Mohamed A Hassan described the people who supported the kufr British colonialists:

Nin aqdaamo Ferenjiya, maantiyo abuurriin
Ama aaladduu sida, ama awrta buu rara
Ama adhiga buu qada, ama laba ugaadhsada
Ama uba ilaalaa, ama uurka kala jira
Ashahaado beeniyo, islaamnimo ha lagu dhaqo
Ilaahayna nama oran, annana ma oggolaan karo!

[X.Playa]

These people want to remove the word Iidoor from every poem that Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) described their treachery. Once people want to claim a history that they have no part of contributing, of course, they will come up every false story, take text out of context, deny the ones that don't fit their narrative, and run with every bogus story as facts, but it is truth that always prevails.

Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) came up this poem in 1905 in Eyl and Ilig Daldala when some Iidoors went to him and asked him that the Dervishes should stop attacking them. Sayid Mohamed Muhamad A Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) is describing their treachery and many of the battles that they betrayed the Muslims and sided with the Kuffaar British, and how he would never trust them!!

Xusenow1 caqligu kaama baxo, idam Ilaahaye
Ha laguu aqbalo duca san baan, kuu akhriyaaye
Ifkana waaya noo joog, nimaan aaminaad tahaye

Haddaad umaaddo waan kuu hubaa, ina uduu kheyre
Asaxaabihii baad u tegi, udugga weynaayee
Irdihii jannada inaad ka geli, waa ogsoonahaye

Hawl kalana waa erey yaraan, kuu erganayaaye
Alla igama qaadoew adaan, kala illaawayne
Eedaanka maqal waa salaad, loo addimayaaye

Ilaahi abuurba kuwii diiday, amarkiisa
Ambiyaalihii iyo kuwii, awliyada caayay
Asxaabti dariiqada kuwii, awlaxa u qaaday

Ikhyaarkooda nimankii kufriga, uga adeegaayey
Aan lagu igraahine kalgacal, ugu abraaraayey
Kuwii ubad nasaaraad noqdee, ferenji aanaysatay

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Aw-Cabbaas2 diley, dadkaan eedi kala gaarin
Oo uunka kala fiijiyee, kala irdheysiiyey

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Mililikh3 aabbe u yehee, u arrin qaadaayo
Oo xabashi eegi u noqdee, u ololaynaayey

Ingiriiska nimankii wadee, nagu aseebaayey
Afbakayle4 nimankii wadee, nagu aseebaayey
Ee Oodagooyiyo5 na dhigay, aydii Daratoole6

Nimankii ikhwaankii jaree, aabiga u laayey
Ragga ehelukheyrkaa warmaha, kala ajoon waayey
Oo umal daraaddiis girliga, ugu afuufaayey

Idilkoodba nimankii dagaal, iigu imaanaayey
Nimankaan inkaaree madfaca, ololi ii haysatey
Ee ubaxcaddaydii hartiga, oofta kaga joojay

Nimankii iniinaha ka dhigay, Ilig7 wixii joogay
Ee Eerago8 iyo Batalo9, igu uquumeeyey
Ee omoska Beerdhiga10 tukaha, igu ormaysiiyey

Nimankii ayaantii Gumburo11, oboda ii dhiibay
Ardaashii Jidbaalle12 i heshee, igu unuun goysay
Nimankii uluuf iyo uluuf, igu agoomeeyey

Nimankii adduunkeygii dhacay, ariyo geeliiba
Anigoo islaamaba kuwii, ii arxami waayay
Nimankaan Ilaahoow lahaa, eyda iga doono

Abaalkayga nimankii ba’shee, ii istixayn waayey
Ahabtiyo ergeyntii kuwii, lagala ayn waayey
Nimankii ijaabada ka tagay, aakhiru sabanka

Nimankii iblays nagu diray, naga ajoon waayey
Nimankii arlada Eebbahay, naga ugaareeyey
Nimankii awaaraha buska leh, nagu eryoonaayay

Ninkii abaartii caleed, Bari na aadsiiyay
Argalkiyo rasaastii kuwii, nagu igbaaraayay
Ee urugadaan qabiyo ciil, igu abaadsiiyey

Nimankii ilmada iga qubee, oohin iga keenay
Nimankaan ku alaladay markii, uunku wada jiifay
Nimankii ujuurada cunee, iibkii ii bixiyey

Nimankii intaas nagu falaan, na asaraareynin
Waxba yey addoomaha Ilaah, nooga aargudine
Waxba yaan adduun layga siin, ilintidaydiiyee

Utuntayda waa heli haddaan, iilka lay dhigine
Araraha intaan marahayey, igu arkaayaane
Maruun baan sidii aar libaax, oodda soo jebinne

Ashtakooda’aa iyo warqado, ku andacoodaaba
Mar haddaan shareecadu aqoon, nimanka liddoora
Ashahaadadoodiyo ma rabo, ina wallayntooda

Mar haddaan wadaad aayad diin, ila ekeyneynin
Amaan aniga la i oran karayn, tanu ahaan mayso
Allow yaa af lama daaliyee, iga asluubaysta.

p.s., Keep in mind it is words of the leader and the founder of the Dervishes movement decribing the treachery of the Iidoors in that struggle. What more evidence does anyone need on where they stood wwhen the leader and the founder of Dervishes movement described their loyalties in those days?

Again the diseased son of the cannibal Dhegdheer had brought us one of his cherry picked " idoor" addressed poem. As usual he quoted a poem with no context, no Isaac ergo ever visited Eyl or Illig, any somali with basic understanding of the somali language can decipher from such lines:

Nimankii Amxaarada u Kacee Adarina u guureey.
Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Aw-Cabbaas2 diley, dadkaan eedi kala gaarin
Oo uunka kala fiijiyee, kala irdheysiiye.

That's pretty obvious no Isaac went to the Amxaara or moved to Adari, this line is referring to the ogadens who allied themselves to the Amxaara. The Aw Cabaas he is referring too makes it 100% certain the poem was referring to the ogadens, the ogadens killed aw Cabaas in 1901 the mullah and dervish retaliated by killing close to 40 elders , the incident is dubbed Gundo-gooye . The ogadens accompanied Minilik forces during the first tow campaigns namely, Beerdhiga, Daraatoole and Cagaarweyne. Also reference to Illig massacre is referring too ogaden killing some mullah delegations.

Again more lines referring to the ogaden:

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Mililikh3 aabbe u yehee, u arrin qaadaayo
Oo xabashi eegi u noqdee, u ololaynaayey.

Even expert ogaden dervish historians such as Daahir Cudhaadh can attest to my argument here, listen from 1:31 :

https://youtu.be/MV72RLIFmBA

Now one should still inquire as to why the term idoor is refered to in the end, my explanations are tow possibilities one is that this poem was referring to Isaac and Daaroods and some lines were removed and only Isaac was left to make it seem the poem was addressed to Isaac. Or as usual the term idoor itself is foreign to the poem and it was inserted. Those are the only logical tow possibilities.

Unlike our sick Daaroods pathogens like Gegiroor and Raganimo we Isaac never part away from logic and documentations for tribal hatred.

[ramzy2277]

This peom proves why did the true salahiya sufi leader mohamed ben saleh took back his blessings and approval from this mad mullah, a real muslim schoolar would never slander other muslims in public urge them for jihad.

this vile kufr legacy of poems that cuqdad ridden ppl like keep using to score cheap points ,although there is no gaalo govern us now, will only keep accumulating bad deeds to your sacred man.

This is how Sayid Mohamed A Hassan described the people who supported the kufr British colonialists:

Nin aqdaamo Ferenjiya, maantiyo abuurriin
Ama aaladduu sida, ama awrta buu rara
Ama adhiga buu qada, ama laba ugaadhsada
Ama uba ilaalaa, ama uurka kala jira
Ashahaado beeniyo, islaamnimo ha lagu dhaqo
Ilaahayna nama oran, annana ma oggolaan karo!

I dont give a damn care what this low iq aga told himself, I want you and any other double faced running around with lies about ur mad mullah that he was nothing but an outlaw criminal without any islamic fatwa from any muslim schoolar or a ruler.

Praise be to Allaah.

In the answer to question no. 20214 there is a discussion of the rulings on jihad and types of jihad. It says that jihad may be an individual obligation (fard ‘ayn) if the enemy attacks the Muslims, and in that case fighting them becomes an obligation on every Muslim, and the permission of the ruler is not required in that case.

As for jihad that is aimed at conquest and calling the kuffaar to Islam, and fighting those who refuse to submit to the rule of Allaah, the permission of the ruler is essential in this case, thus things will be controlled.

Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The matter of jihad is in the hands of the ruler and his ijtihaad, and the people must obey him in whatever he sees fit with regard to that. End quote. Al-Mughni (10/368).

The permission of the imam is to prevent the chaos that may result if some of the Muslims declare war on the enemies of Allaah without taking into account their circumstances and strength and the strength of their enemy.

The scholars of the Standing Committee said:

Jihad to make the word of Allaah supreme and to protect the religion of Islam and make it possible to convey it and spread it and protect its sanctity is an obligation on everyone who is able to do that. But it is essential that the troops be organized and sent in an orderly fashion, lest it lead to chaos and incidents that bring unfortunate consequences. Hence initiation of and engagement in jihad is the responsibility of the ruler of the Muslims, and the scholars must encourage him. If he initiates the jihad and mobilizes the Muslims, then the one who is able to do so must respond to the call, sincerely seeking the Countenance of Allaah, and in the hope of supporting the truth, and to protect Islam. The one who stays behind when the call for jihad is given and has no excuse, is sinning. End quote.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/12).

If the people come together in response to the call of their ruler, that will increase them in strength, in addition to the fact that they are Islamically obliged to obey him in whatever does not go against the laws of Allaah. Thus the Muslims will be united in jihad, supporting Islam and defending the laws of Allaah.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It should be noted that appointing a leader to run the people’s affairs is one of the greatest of religious duties, without which no religious or worldly matters can be established, because the best interests of the son of Adam cannot be achieved without coming together, because they need one another. When they come together, it is essential to have a leader. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If three people set out on a journey, let them appoint one of them in charge.” Narrated by Abu Dawood from the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed and Abu Hurayrah. Imam Ahmad narrated in his Musnad from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible for three people to be in the wilderness without appointing one of them in charge.” The fact that it is obligatory to appoint one person in charge of a small temporary group whilst travelling indicates that this is essential in all kinds of groups. And Allaah has commanded us to enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, which can only be achieved from a position of strength and authority, and the same applies to all the other things that He has enjoined, such as jihad, justice, establishment of Hajj, Jumu’ah and Eid, as well as supporting those who are wronged or oppressed, and carrying out hadd punishments – it cannot be achieved except from a position of strength and authority. Hence it was narrated that “the ruler is the shadow of Allaah on earth” and “Sixty years with (even) an unjust ruler are better than one night without a ruler.” Experience proves that this is so. End quote.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (28/390, 391).

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It is not permissible for the army to set out on a campaign without the permission of the ruler, no matter what the situation, because the ones to whom the command to fight and engage in jihad is addressed are the rulers, not individuals. Individuals have to follow the decision-makers. So it is not permissible for anyone to fight without the permission of the imam, except in the case of defence. If the enemy attacks them suddenly and they are afraid of his evil, then they may defend themselves, because fighting becomes an individual obligation in that case.

The reason why that is not permitted is because the matter of jihad is the ruler’s responsibility, and fighting without his permission is a transgression against his rights and over stepping the mark. If it were permissible for the people to fight without the permission of the ruler, that would lead to chaos. Everyone who wanted to would mount his horse and go fight, and if the people were allowed to do that it would lead to many negative consequences. Some people would equip themselves on the grounds that they want to fight the enemy but their real aim would be to rebel against the ruler, or to spread evil by attacking another group of people, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if two parties (or groups) among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both”

[al-Hujuraat 49:9]

For these three reasons and others it is not permissible to fight without the permission of the ruler. End quote.

Al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (8/22).

And Allaah knows best.

I asked you a question, who gave this mad cow mandate to declare war on behalf of the somali muslims keeping in mind somalis at those areas where under the authority of the ottman khalifa who in turn gave authority to the khedewi masr to manage somali,sudan and eritrea coasts and finally they reach agreement with the Britsh to resume management of those coasts with the consent and conditions of the locals....so how did you mad mullah fit in this scenario and declare jihaad...!!, did he talk to the ولي امر المسملين !!

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These people want to remove the word Iidoor from every poem that Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) described their treachery. Once people want to claim a history that they have no part of contributing, of course, they will come up every false story, take text out of context, deny the ones that don't fit their narrative, and run with every bogus story as facts, but it is truth that always prevails.

Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) came up this poem in 1905 in Eyl and Ilig Daldala when some Iidoors went to him and asked him that the Dervishes should stop attacking them. Sayid Mohamed Muhamad A Hassan (May Allah be pleased with him) is describing their treachery and many of the battles that they betrayed the Muslims and sided with the Kuffaar British, and how he would never trust them!!

Xusenow1 caqligu kaama baxo, idam Ilaahaye
Ha laguu aqbalo duca san baan, kuu akhriyaaye
Ifkana waaya noo joog, nimaan aaminaad tahaye

Haddaad umaaddo waan kuu hubaa, ina uduu kheyre
Asaxaabihii baad u tegi, udugga weynaayee
Irdihii jannada inaad ka geli, waa ogsoonahaye

Hawl kalana waa erey yaraan, kuu erganayaaye
Alla igama qaadoew adaan, kala illaawayne
Eedaanka maqal waa salaad, loo addimayaaye

Ilaahi abuurba kuwii diiday, amarkiisa
Ambiyaalihii iyo kuwii, awliyada caayay
Asxaabti dariiqada kuwii, awlaxa u qaaday

Ikhyaarkooda nimankii kufriga, uga adeegaayey
Aan lagu igraahine kalgacal, ugu abraaraayey
Kuwii ubad nasaaraad noqdee, ferenji aanaysatay

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Aw-Cabbaas2 diley, dadkaan eedi kala gaarin
Oo uunka kala fiijiyee, kala irdheysiiyey

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Mililikh3 aabbe u yehee, u arrin qaadaayo
Oo xabashi eegi u noqdee, u ololaynaayey

Ingiriiska nimankii wadee, nagu aseebaayey
Afbakayle4 nimankii wadee, nagu aseebaayey
Ee Oodagooyiyo5 na dhigay, aydii Daratoole6

Nimankii ikhwaankii jaree, aabiga u laayey
Ragga ehelukheyrkaa warmaha, kala ajoon waayey
Oo umal daraaddiis girliga, ugu afuufaayey

Idilkoodba nimankii dagaal, iigu imaanaayey
Nimankaan inkaaree madfaca, ololi ii haysatey
Ee ubaxcaddaydii hartiga, oofta kaga joojay

Nimankii iniinaha ka dhigay, Ilig7 wixii joogay
Ee Eerago8 iyo Batalo9, igu uquumeeyey
Ee omoska Beerdhiga10 tukaha, igu ormaysiiyey

Nimankii ayaantii Gumburo11, oboda ii dhiibay
Ardaashii Jidbaalle12 i heshee, igu unuun goysay
Nimankii uluuf iyo uluuf, igu agoomeeyey

Nimankii adduunkeygii dhacay, ariyo geeliiba
Anigoo islaamaba kuwii, ii arxami waayay
Nimankaan Ilaahoow lahaa, eyda iga doono

Abaalkayga nimankii ba’shee, ii istixayn waayey
Ahabtiyo ergeyntii kuwii, lagala ayn waayey
Nimankii ijaabada ka tagay, aakhiru sabanka

Nimankii iblays nagu diray, naga ajoon waayey
Nimankii arlada Eebbahay, naga ugaareeyey
Nimankii awaaraha buska leh, nagu eryoonaayay

Ninkii abaartii caleed, Bari na aadsiiyay
Argalkiyo rasaastii kuwii, nagu igbaaraayay
Ee urugadaan qabiyo ciil, igu abaadsiiyey

Nimankii ilmada iga qubee, oohin iga keenay
Nimankaan ku alaladay markii, uunku wada jiifay
Nimankii ujuurada cunee, iibkii ii bixiyey

Nimankii intaas nagu falaan, na asaraareynin
Waxba yey addoomaha Ilaah, nooga aargudine
Waxba yaan adduun layga siin, ilintidaydiiyee

Utuntayda waa heli haddaan, iilka lay dhigine
Araraha intaan marahayey, igu arkaayaane
Maruun baan sidii aar libaax, oodda soo jebinne

Ashtakooda’aa iyo warqado, ku andacoodaaba
Mar haddaan shareecadu aqoon, nimanka liddoora
Ashahaadadoodiyo ma rabo, ina wallayntooda

Mar haddaan wadaad aayad diin, ila ekeyneynin
Amaan aniga la i oran karayn, tanu ahaan mayso
Allow yaa af lama daaliyee, iga asluubaysta.

p.s., Keep in mind it is words of the leader and the founder of the Dervishes movement decribing the treachery of the Iidoors in that struggle. What more evidence does anyone need on where they stood wwhen the leader and the founder of Dervishes movement described their loyalties in those days?

Again the diseased son of the cannibal Dhegdheer had brought us one of his cherry picked " idoor" addressed poem. As usual he quoted a poem with no context, no Isaac ergo ever visited Eyl or Illig, any somali with basic understanding of the somali language can decipher from such lines:

Nimankii Amxaarada u Kacee Adarina u guureey.
Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Aw-Cabbaas2 diley, dadkaan eedi kala gaarin
Oo uunka kala fiijiyee, kala irdheysiiye.

That's pretty obvious no Isaac went to the Amxaara or moved to Adari, this line is referring to the ogadens who allied themselves to the Amxaara. The Aw Cabaas he is referring too makes it 100% certain the poem was referring to the ogadens, the ogadens killed aw Cabaas in 1901 the mullah and dervish retaliated by killing close to 40 elders , the incident is dubbed Gundo-gooye . The ogadens accompanied Minilik forces during the first tow campaigns namely, Beerdhiga, Daraatoole and Cagaarweyne. Also reference to Illig massacre is referring too ogaden killing some mullah delegations.

Again more lines referring to the ogaden:

Nimankii amxaara u kacee, Adarinuu guurey
Oo Mililikh3 aabbe u yehee, u arrin qaadaayo
Oo xabashi eegi u noqdee, u ololaynaayey.

Even expert ogaden dervish historians such as Daahir Cudhaadh can attest to my argument here, listen from 1:31 :

https://youtu.be/MV72RLIFmBA

Now one should still inquire as to why the term idoor is refered to in the end, my explanations are tow possibilities one is that this poem was referring to Isaac and Daaroods and some lines were removed and only Isaac was left to make it seem the poem was addressed to Isaac. Or as usual the term idoor itself is foreign to the poem and it was inserted. Those are the only logical tow possibilities.

Unlike our sick Daaroods pathogens like Gegiroor and Raganimo we Isaac never part away from logic and documentations for tribal hatred.

Gegiroor caught red handed again, what an epic backfire. The poem he wanted to use against isaaq, turned into the mullah vs his own Ogaden. And the evidence is not even questionable as xplaya said, because of the key names killing aw cabaas, mililikh and adari. Isaaq clan had nothing to do with with any of these three.