TheMightyNomad wrote:So let me get this straight when the U.S forces in 1992 invasion killed almost 200 Sultans and elders who gathered to broker peace in Xamar, across ALL QABILS. It was our fault? we asked them to do it?NoAngst wrote:Dude, you do you know that this is Somali site, right?TheMightyNomad wrote:Are these two really serious @NoAngst and @SahanGalbeed ?
Listen , You cannot expect to; marginalize people, persecute them, prod and poke at them for their religious lifestyle and then complain when they retaliate: No free human being sits quiet while their rights to their own land, resources and lifestyle are infringed upon. People with any form of identity (ethnic and/or religious) will resist by all means, anything which tries to challenge self.
It ironic how It becomes just "self-defense" or "Peace mission" when they engage in war to secure a border, or to protect oil interest in the Gulf. But when the opposing force fights back, for all the same reasons, it becomes a "morally reprehensible" religious jihad. So Muslims (as a religious group) are demonized for resisting the campaigns of the global imperialist and their henchmen.
We destroyed our country and we did it with alacrity. And we continue to destroy. Son, what in the fukking world are you on about above? Who persecuted or marginalized Somalis?
From the New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/books/99/03/14/ ... nnegt.html
"The hunt for Aidid was a fiasco. In July helicopters under United Nations command fired high-explosive TOW missiles into a house where a meeting of Habr Gidr clan elders was being held. There were 250 casualties, including 54 dead, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Four Western journalists who rushed to the scene were also killed, by a furious mob. ''The journalists' deaths focused worldwide anger on the Somalis,'' Bowden writes, ''but in Mogadishu the shock and outrage was over the surprise attack.'' This was not the only massacre perpetrated from the air. Aidid, defiant and uncaptured, became a folk hero, and the United Nations, particularly its helicopters, became widely hated in Mogadishu."
From the Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/02/hawk-f19.html
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Even before October 3 the US military were casually brutal about the number of dead and injured among the Somalis, whom they referred to contemptuously as “Sammys” or “Skinnies.” They regularly lobbed mortar shells into the city from the UN compound. They hit hospitals and homes killing an unknown number of civilians. No attempt was even made to count the number of casualties when troops opened fire on crowds.
The single action that did more than any other to cement Somali hostility and to unite the different clan factions in Mogadishu against the Americans was the massacre of a meeting of Habr Gedir clan elders on July 12, 1993. They had convened their meeting to discuss peace proposals Admiral Howe had put to them the previous day. Cobra gunships armed with TOW missiles and 20 mm cannons attacked the house, with ground troops finishing off the wounded."
So when they US broke the order of natural succession as well as ruined the meeting between clan leaders discussing peace resolution by massacring them in their homes. That was all our fault to?
and Also when the US sent Ethiopian troops to disband the Government that brought us peace security and prosperity. That was also our fault/
How US forged an alliance with Ethiopia over Invasion
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ethiopia-h ... frica/4446
The Speaker of Somalia’s interim parliament has criticized Ethiopia’s military intervention in Somalia, saying that Ethiopian troops cannot bring peace to areas formerly ruled by the Islamic Courts movement.
“I believe that the security created by the [Islamic] Courts during their 6-month rule cannot be recreated by Ethiopian troops, even if they stay in Somalia for another 6 years,” Speaker Sharif said.
The Speaker also criticized the role of the U.S. government in the ongoing Somali crisis: “America recently bombed civilians but said they were bombing ‘terrorists’…where are the terrorists?”
Speaker Sharif said the U.S. government wrongfully believes any Muslim with a long beard is an al-Qaeda terrorist or suspect, and appealed to the American government to stop bombarding innocent Somali civilians.
This was was also our fault? When American and Ethiopians attacked a self formed independent Somali government that created peace,trade and security during a 6th month stretch dubbed ''Golden Age'' by the UN? The invasion by the United States and Ethiopia which led to the formation of Alshabaab was our fault?
And are you also saying all the constant hate crimes Somalis receive and experience in the western world for being muslims and Racialy Somali is something we asked for? It is our fault that we get publicly daily abuse and hate?
Somali experience of hate crime in the UK
http://www.councilofsomaliorgs.com/site ... _-_CSO.pdf
. Prevalence of hate crime against Somalis
15. Not a single interviewee was untouched by hate crime. Most interviewees
have suffered multiple incidents and see hate crime as a ‘normal’ part of
being a minority in the UK.
16. There are no reliable national statistics on hate crime against Somalis, as the
police record them under the larger category ‘Black African’.
17. Our interviews show that hate crime is suffered by most UK Somalis on a
regular, even daily, basis. Incidents include verbal abuse, assaults, being spat
at, being attacked with objects, death threats, hostile looks, damage to
property, arson, and racist ‘jokes’. Younger interviewees have also
experienced or witnessed online hate crime.
18. Hate crime occurs around homes, workplaces, on public transport, in parks
and shops, at bus stops and on streets and on social media. In Bristol, over a
third of incidents occur in/around victims’ homesv
.
19. Some examples of hate crime suffered by Somalis:
a. Shamso Ahmed was confronted by a white man as she walked home
with her young son. The man removed his shoes and hit her with
them, shouting racist abuse and threatening to kill her. In a separate
incident, someone threw a brick at Shamso’s elderly mother.
b. Abdirachid Fidow was approached by an aggressive white man on a
train, who asked ‘Are you going to blow yourself up?’ Fellow
passengers confronted the perpetrator and supported the victim.
c. Khadra Warsame was spat at outside her home by a group of boys
who set their dogs on her and her 8-month old daughter while
shouting, ‘Go back to your country, you f-king Somali.’
When Somali mosques get burned down 3 times in the west and get vandalized it is all our fault as well?
It is wrong to internalize every problem in Somali society as if we are responsible for everything inflicted upon us by others, as if we are mere pacifists who bend over sideways and accepts our rights and security taken away from foreigners.
Sure there is a need to be drawn a balance between what is external and internal to be equally accountable on both sides. We cannot externalize all our problems just like we cannot internalize all our problems. You internalizing every problem by putting a blind fold over the external aggression enacted on us is the fallacy and it is completely dishonest.
When they deny us our right to be self determined Somali Muslim people. How can we apply our own solutions to our own issues or fix what we see is wrong when even that is even being denied of us-our agency.
How can a Somali youth go through the walks of life psychologically intact when he is in constant subject to dehumanization, ridicule and attacked even humiliated for being different? I wouldn't even be surprised one bit if some take to extreme reprehensible measures like what happened in Ohio to convey their grievances. They guy was scared shitless to pray in public.
How long will the West continue to play the role of a hypocrite?
