Remembering the Father of the Somali Airforce, Ali Matan Hashi

[Ben Dover]

Voltage is the clear winner:

1. Losers resort to personal attack & Ad hominem. Voltage didn't.
2. Losers resort to gang attack. Voltage here is alone vs many.
3. Losers appeal to the audience ("As you guys can see", "Do you see", "Now you know why") to take a side, indication of weakness. Voltage presented his points & arguments without appealing to the audience to take a side.

Winner of what exactly?

He attempted to present a particular narrative, said narrative was proven to be a complete and utter fabrication.

I bet you also believe Xiraabu Gutia Tidorous is a Somali name too

[BestPlaya]

Giutia Theodros kulahaa .Ibn Shihaab (A.U.N) run iyo been labadaba wuu kuqoray buugiisa

It is between Voltage and Ben Dover the rest are a bunch of iidoor cheerleaders

[Voltage]

Jesus Christ.

I am a working professional. This isn't Snet of yesteryears where college freedom allowed one to post.

On that note, this guy Bendover seems like an embarrassing throwback to a time in snet that was a decade old. Because of that reason, I have officially put him on Block.

My purpose here isn't tribal tit for tat.

I simply come to post recordee history. This topic is about the first Somali pilot and the Chief of our airforce Col Ali Matan Hashi.

This fact is corroborated by Somali sources (including an esteemed historian who is the father of our current deputy governor of Mogadishu) and none Somali sources ( a British historian writing about the 1977 war).

What does anything presented have to do with these facts?

I am sorry the facts presented here hurt you.

You can't wash away recorded history with momma/poppa said which is something these Somalilanders have recognized with regards to their false tribal folklore about who wrote the Somali script diaproven by ORIGINAL SPURCES from the UN and the Somali government in the 60's.

[Xildiiid]

^
That's your problem mr. Boon.

You keep jumping from one subject to the next in one post.

When it comes to the Somali script, we have already concluded that:

• Shire did not create the long/short vowel system
• Shire did not create the letters dh, sh, kh, c, x
• Shires script promoted by the Unesco in their report is completely different from the script we have today. The orthography of that script is in the report for everyone to see.

So the man you're promoting is not the father of the Somali script, it's ludicrous to even suggest that because he did not contribute anything to the modern Somali script.

Posting quotes from sources that state 'Shire is the father of the Somali script' (Martin Orwin etc.) are similar to sources that state "Somaliland is part of Somalia", they're both factually incorrect.

[Ben Dover]

Voltage said:
Jesus Christ.

Well, well..

And Barre was a kind of a cynical character, as you might expect for a dictator. He was very clear. He says, “I’m willing to pray to Jesus, and here’s what I want in return.” He says, “I want my defense budget doubled.” He says, “I want meetings for my officials with the Reagan White House. And I want a sort of a hands-off policy while I crack down on some rebels.”

Seems like the rotten apple does not fall far from the tree

Jesus will not save you. Jesus wont make the history of Xiraabu Gutia Tidoros go away.

There are certain things in life you cant block. I say embrace your Boon heritage, embrace your ancestor Xiraabu Gutia Tidorous.

"Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armour, and it can never be used to hurt you."

[AwRastaale]

Can Mr Boon recover from the onslaught. All I see is lots of moaning and groaning.

And you know you can't run to the ban coz we will just unban him and there's nothing you can do about that.

In fact we may remove you from the junior role.


I think that's enough education for him.

[Voltage]

Xildiid-

Is there or is there not a 1961 Somali language report where the commission chairman is your Isaaq folkhero that says the script chosen best belongs to Shire Jama?

Is there or is there not a 1966 UNESCO document written by BB Andrezjewski, who co-wrote your Isaaq folkhero's script in the 50's, that says the script best for Somali belongs to Shire Jama in the same paragraph thay mentions your Isaaq folkhero?

In 1972, did not the Somali revolutionary council then choose Shire Jama something you first attributed to tribalism being so unaware of history?

How sad.

[Xildiiid]

1. What Muuse Galaal wrote doesn't matter because it doesn't disprove the fact that Shires script is not synonymous with the modern Somali script.

2. Wether Andrezjewski did or didn't cowrite Muuse Galaals script is a nonissue given the fact that Shires script promoted by the Unesco report in 1966 does not resemble the modern Somali script at all. Instead of the letter sh, Shire used ch which is a letter that doesn't exist.

3. The Kacaan championed Shire as the father of the modern Somali script because of tribalism. Why else would they choose a man who did not contribute anything to the modern script he allegedly created?

[Voltage]

Hi Xildiid-

So you do not then deny in 1961, in a Somali language commission report that has Muuse Galaal as chairman, he and the commission specifically recommended "Shire Jama's Latin modified script."

Oh great. Aren't you the backward little reer baadiye who aaid on page one of that topic that Siad Barre recommended him out of tribalism?

Maybe Isaaqs like I have been told do not have xishood, but your commentary on this subject is devoid of any sf-respect or shame considering the WRITTEN historical record.

[26June1960]

3. The Kacaan championed Shire as the father of the modern Somali script because of tribalism. Why else would they choose a man who did not contribute anything to the modern script he allegedly created?

You do realize the Kacaan consisted of Somalis, men and women, from every f-king Somali clan, right. You're making it seem like every position of the Kacaan government was held by a single clan, the Daarood. You are not only deluded, but you're blinded by pure hatred which was indoctrinated into you by your elders.

[Xildiiid]

Hi Xildiid-

So you do not then deny in 1961, in a Somali language commission report that has Muuse Galaal as chairman, he and the commission specifically recommended "Shire Jama's Latin modified script."

Oh great. Aren't you the backward little reer baadiye who aaid on page one of that topic that Siad Barre recommended him out of tribalism?

Maybe Isaaqs like I have been told do not have xishood, but your commentary on this subject is devoid of any sf-respect or shame considering the WRITTEN historical record.

Where's paperino aka Arabman who was claiming that we resorted to Ad Hominems against this Boon, as if this Boon was innocent?


Boon

You're conflating two issues here..

1. Galaal might have recommended Shires script but it was a script that was completely different from the modern script we have today. Nonetheless, Galaal did not claim that Shire was the father of the Somali script.

2. Afweyne Barre and his Kacaan junta championed Shire as the father of the Somali script even though he did not contribute anything to the modern script. Their motivation was tribalism.

Do you see the difference?

Don't project your reality, bilaa xishood is the culture of your Dofaar Ismaciil coalition. The baseless lies and the historical revisionism is being dismantled one by one.

[paperino]

Where's paperino aka Arabman who was claiming that we resorted to Ad Hominems against this Boon, as if this Boon was innocent?

Voltage's isn't personal nor crude, unlike the ones by Xildiid aka Intruder.

[Xildiiid]

^
Really?

[Voltage]

Hi Xildiid-

People with facts, sources, and bibliographies do not debate based on WAA LA II SHEEGAY.

Consider yourself educated in this matter, because when I was told Shire Jaamac Axmed JUGE wrote our script, I actually researched him.

Lo amd behold, what did I find? Book on Somali poetry written by BB Andrejewski and Muuse Galaal that says they are using the script devised by Shire Jama.

Also found the 1961 Somali language report that recommends Shire Jama's script.

Also found the 1966 UNESCO document saying Somalia should choose Shire Jama.

Also found the 1972 report officially giving credit to Shire Jama.

Also found people like Martin Orwin and the American Prof Mohamed Haji Mukhtar (Digil and Mirifle and the father of the current deputy governor of Mogadishu Subayda Mukhtar) detailing this history.

What do you have?

Absolutely nothing.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Beesha Hiraabu Ibnu Guita bac la'aan ayaa lagu aasay

Talk about a thread backfire

Ben al dover AL KARBAASHE