Who deleted Waachis Ram Naga thing?

[KowJow]

KowJow

This Nigga is just as Bad as AwRastaale, you will dumb yourself down by trying to explain the basics to him. Allow him, the more he writes, the deeper the hole he digs for himself.

These dudes are entertaining lol.

Which is worst , using genetic recombination as an argument against Y-STR tests

or being an E-V32 coon and adamantly arguing "WE WUZ BANU HASHIM N SHIIEET"

E-V32 Bani Hashim sailing to Somali colonies, circa 1500.

[Adali]

Who wants to be descendants of Pagan Banu Hashims, people are interested in the holy house of the prophet, not some random arab pagans, please keep the cooning to the low.

Our lineage is not like a unorganized as Dir, we do not do clan shopping, we are merely interested in hard evidence to disprove our lineage, you can disprove it after Marehan and I wouldn't even mind, but I am not just going to follow your claims based on Jordanian family, yacni come on.

E-V32 is majority hablogroup, I am quite happy with this finding, continue students of Y-chromosomes.

[zumaale]

Who wants to be descendants of Pagan Banu Hashims, people are interested in the holy house of the prophet, not some random arab pagans, please keep the cooning to the low.

Our lineage is not like a unorganized as Dir, we do not do clan shopping, we are merely interested in hard evidence to disprove our lineage, you can disprove it after Marehan and I wouldn't even mind, but I am not just going to follow your claims based on Jordanian family, yacni come on.

E-V32 is majority hablogroup, I am quite happy with this finding, continue students of Y-chromosomes.

Nigga, your clan claim Somalinimo by falsely stating their clan matriarch was Dir and you accuse us of shopping for a lineage. Find out which Jabarti ancestor you descend from before throwing stones whilst you live in a glass house.

I ain't interested in your lineage Boy. In this thread, you approached me by asking a question about Darood after I answered BestPlaya's question. When shit don't concern you, stay in your ignorant lane and don't bark like a rabid dog.

[Adali]

Who wants to be descendants of Pagan Banu Hashims, people are interested in the holy house of the prophet, not some random arab pagans, please keep the cooning to the low.

Our lineage is not like a unorganized as Dir, we do not do clan shopping, we are merely interested in hard evidence to disprove our lineage, you can disprove it after Marehan and I wouldn't even mind, but I am not just going to follow your claims based on Jordanian family, yacni come on.

E-V32 is majority hablogroup, I am quite happy with this finding, continue students of Y-chromosomes.

Nigga, you clan claim Somalinimo by falsely stating your clan matriarch was Dir and you accuse us of shopping for a lineage. Find out which Jabarti ancestor you descend from before throwing stones whilst you live in a glass house.

Ait, continue your good word, HG-T gang.

[zumaale]

Who wants to be descendants of Pagan Banu Hashims, people are interested in the holy house of the prophet, not some random arab pagans, please keep the cooning to the low.

Our lineage is not like a unorganized as Dir, we do not do clan shopping, we are merely interested in hard evidence to disprove our lineage, you can disprove it after Marehan and I wouldn't even mind, but I am not just going to follow your claims based on Jordanian family, yacni come on.

E-V32 is majority hablogroup, I am quite happy with this finding, continue students of Y-chromosomes.

Nigga, you clan claim Somalinimo by falsely stating your clan matriarch was Dir and you accuse us of shopping for a lineage. Find out which Jabarti ancestor you descend from before throwing stones whilst you live in a glass house.

Ait, continue your good word, HG-T gang.

Why did drastically you change your post? Sxb, I honestly don't give a fuck where you come from or what you claim. This thread was between me and AwRastaale. Claim what you want man. Peace!

[Adali]

Nigga, you clan claim Somalinimo by falsely stating your clan matriarch was Dir and you accuse us of shopping for a lineage. Find out which Jabarti ancestor you descend from before throwing stones whilst you live in a glass house.

Ait, continue your good word, HG-T gang.

Why did drastically you change your post? Sxb, I honestly don't give a fuck where you come from or what you claim. This thread was between me and AwRastaale. Claim what you want man. Peace!

didn't think it was relevant if you are not here to disprove darood, I say continue your work regardless.

[Lion104]

I don't seem to understand you. Are you saying that T entered Somalia when we already were a distinct Somali ethnicity? There is no proof for such an assumption considering the fact that it's found all the way from Tanzania to Egypt, and even among the prehistoric ancient levantines. You're grasping at straws here. BTW, according to this, the Saho do not carry T-M184 at all:



Hope you didn't use one Saho example (which doesn't seem to even represent their ethnic group) to say that all non-Somali T carries have a different and unrelated subclade. Because that's what it's looking like.

[zumaale]

I don't seem to understand you. Are you saying that T entered Somalia when we already were a distinct Somali ethnicity? There is no proof for such an assumption considering the fact that it's found all the way from Tanzania to Egypt, and even among the prehistoric ancient levantines. You're grasping at straws here. BTW, according to this, the Saho do not carry T-M184 at all:

Hope you didn't use one Saho example (which doesn't seem to even represent their ethnic group) to say that all non-Somali T carries have a different and unrelated subclade. Because that's what it's looking like.

Debating you is quite painful.

I stated that my T SUBCLADE was not present in Africa during the formative years of the Cushitic ethno-linguistic group, not the much younger Somali ethnic group.

Secondly, we are talking about subclades. So what if Haplogroup T is found in Tanzania or Egypt? Shit is tens of thousands years old and is found from Kazakhstan to Bhutan, Britain to Oman. It is all about the age of the subclade in question, and its spread.

Thirdly, I never said all non-Somali HG-T populations found in Africa have a different subclade; I stated that it does not appear to be present among those who have taken the y-full/big-y DNA test.

Fourthly, Sahos that have been academically tested are overwhelmingly E-V22 but it is not outside the realm of possibility that the odd HG-T individual is found among them just like how J-M267 individuals are present among them. The Eritrean y-full sample was only given to just demonstrate how a geographically close population will not necessarily have the same HG-T subclade as us. Nothing is a given mate.

Lastly, don't jump to quick conclusions by looking at just one study sample. In the graphs you provided, no Saho tested positive for J-M267, but in the Iacovacci paper, you have a Saho individual testing positive for J-M267.

http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S187 ... 0248-4/pdf

Look at the supplementary table 4 for the test results of ethnic groups.

[Jabuutawi]

Fascinating chart by Plaster et al.

Afars in particular have 4 distinct and equally proportioned (almost) paternal DNA according to the study. ileen Canfartu sheegato waaye .

I think it's best to put things in a timeline -- some perspective on haplogroup T.

Haplogroup T 101 for Dummies
Parent clade is T-M184, consider this as "grandfather", mutation happened 48,000 years ago.
Subclade T-M70, consider this as "father", mutated about 30,000 years ago or 1,200 generations ago.
Downstream (way downstream) subclade T1a1a2 (16897), "son" TMRCA? of Dir, Samaale Somalis. I say, yes, TMRCA of Dir Somalis is about 2,200 years old.

This is the time (2,200 to 2,000) when ethnic Somalis formed in the Horn but the Cushitic languages existed long before then -- preceded formation of Somali ethnicity by thousands of years.

[KowJow]

I don't seem to understand you. Are you saying that T entered Somalia when we already were a distinct Somali ethnicity? There is no proof for such an assumption considering the fact that it's found all the way from Tanzania to Egypt, and even among the prehistoric ancient levantines. You're grasping at straws here. BTW, according to this, the Saho do not carry T-M184 at all:

Hope you didn't use one Saho example (which doesn't seem to even represent their ethnic group) to say that all non-Somali T carries have a different and unrelated subclade. Because that's what it's looking like.

Debating you is quite painful.

I stated that my T SUBCLADE was not present in Africa during the formative years of the Cushitic ethno-linguistic group, not the much younger Somali ethnic group.

Secondly, we are talking about subclades. So what if Haplogroup T is found in Tanzania or Egypt? Shit is tens of thousands years old and is found from Kazakhstan to Bhutan, Britain to Oman. It is all about the age of the subclade in question, and its spread.

Thirdly, I never said all non-Somali HG-T populations found in Africa have a different subclade; I stated that it does not appear to be present among those who have taken the y-full/big-y DNA test.

Fourthly, Sahos that have been academically tested are overwhelmingly E-V22 but it is not outside the realm of possibility that the odd HG-T individual is found among them just like how J-M267 individuals are present among them. The Eritrean y-full sample was only given to just demonstrate how a geographically close population will not necessarily have the same HG-T subclade as us. Nothing is a given mate.

Lastly, don't jump to quick conclusions by looking at just one study sample. In the graphs you provided, no Saho tested positive for J-M267, but in the Iacovacci paper, you have a Saho individual testing positive for J-M267.

http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S187 ... 0248-4/pdf

Look at the supplementary table 4 for the test results of ethnic groups.

I was looking through the Arab T project and i came across 2 Sudanese/Egyptian dudes that are apparently positive for T-Y16897 , but they are Z19971+ unlike us and the Al-Faraj So basically those Kuwaitis are still our closest cousins

Control + F and search Bakri-Quraish #187227

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ar ... n=yresults

[zumaale]

I was looking through the Arab T project and i came across 2 Sudanese/Egyptian dudes that are apparently positive for T-Y16897 , but they are Z19971+ unlike us and the Al-Faraj So basically those Kuwaitis are still our closest cousins

Control + F and search Bakri-Quraish #187227

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ar ... n=yresults

Africans based in Africa, in general, do not have the means or the desire to find out what their genetic paternal ancestry is. I doubt that Y16897 is restricted to Somalis in the Horn of Africa. Moreover,It is best to sit on the fence until we receive confirmation of when the estimated split between us and the Arab Y16897 individuals occurred. As previously stated, I think it will be around the start of the Bronze Age at the latest, a mere guess nonetheless.

By the way, I think there are more Al Faraj clan members in Iraq than there are in Kuwait. For instance, the subclan of Nuri Al-Maliki belongs to a branch of the Al Faraj clan. Many Kuwaiti Haplogroup T individuals that I have seen belong to another T-M184 subclade.

This paper might interest you as it demonstrates how HG-T is an old lineage in Middle Eastern ethnic groups. Syriacs (Assyrians) tested in the following study have a relatively high percentage of HG-T, so do the Northern Iraqi Arabs. Considering how Assyrians are a remnant of the ancient people that inhabited Mesopotamia, the presence of a high percentage of HG-T individuals among them might explain why Arabs also have it. It was most probably in existence among the Proto-Semitic speakers of the Middle East.





A glimpse at the intricate mosaic of ethnicities from Mesopotamia: Paternal lineages of the Northern Iraqi Arabs, Kurds, Syriacs, Turkmens and Yazidis

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0187408

Like HG-T, the Y16897 subclade originates somewhere in Eurasia. My ancestor and those of the above ethnic groups parted ways thousands of years ago, Mine headed South to Africa, there is no doubt about that. However, it cannot be argued that we have an indigenous African origin that can be connected to the formation of the Cushites because the TMRCA (7200ybp/5th century BC) of Y16897 is well before the estimated date in which the Cushitic ancestors of E-V32 Somalis were having cultural exchanges with Nilo-Saharans:

CORRECTION

The highlighted part should be 'after', not 'before'.