Kismaayo security tightening

[zumaale]

If alien Dofaar Ismail from NFD, Kilil 5 and Galgaduud think they will liberate the Jubba valley from the current AS commander who’s a native Bajimaal Dir with native soldiers they should think again.

If it weren’t for the US drone strikes, AS would’ve captured Kismaayo months ago.

Sahal,

Habar Aji will get kicked out of Lower Shabeelle. Right now they’re holed up in Marka but are surrounded by Biimaal troops loyal to Waafow in Marka, Janaale and No.50.

Al Shabab are no friends of Biimaal as demonstrated by what they did in Marka District.



When the Biimaal refused to stop fighting and became allied to Amisom, AS proceeded to attack them. They actually caused more destruction as the AS are unfortunately the powerhouse in Lower Shabelle.

Secondly, there is no 'Habar Aji' menace, there never was. Contrary to what is peddled on Somalinet, no specific HG clan/clans settled the Mii of Marka but they stationed themselves in plantations and other strategic urban places like some Marka neighbourhoods and No.50. As they do not have local manpower to fall back on, the war was waged mainly by Hawiye SNA units of the 3rd and 5th brigade. These units have mostly returned to Mogadishu after the US cut funding because they were collaborating with AS, engaging in clan battles etc. With Xassan Sheikh no longer in the frame, they also lost crucial funding. To make up for this, the HG businessmen and urban inhabitants have thrown their lot in with AS by paying protection money.

Interesting info.

Are the Garre of L/Shabeelle Tuuf only? How come they’re allied with HG?

The Garre in LS are rivals of the Jiddo in Qoryoley as they are the minority clan in the district. I think they are mostly Tuff but I do not know the exact breakdown. They also graze camels in other districts but do not form the majority in any of the districts of Lower Shabelle hence they struck up a relationship with HG. The Jiddo are self-reliant and have traditionally been more of a fighting force. Why do you think the Garre always got the Digil Confederacy Governor position during the reign of Sharif Saakin even though their are other more numerous Digil Confederacy clans? Mofo was in the pay of the Mooryaan Mafia who did not want a strong native Governor to ascend to the Governorship. For example, the Digil Mirifle hated him because of how he neglected the formation of a native army in Lower Shabelle and the situation of Digil clans in Afgooye etc. The Beggedi and Geledi etc have it worse out of all the clans in Lower Shabelle as their lands are more exposed due their proximity to Mogadishu. The Shanta Caleemod, to a lesser extent, too.

[Xildiiid]

Al Shabab are no friends of Biimaal as demonstrated by what they did in Marka District.



When the Biimaal refused to stop fighting and became allied to Amisom, AS proceeded to attack them. They actually caused more destruction as the AS are unfortunately the powerhouse in Lower Shabelle.

Secondly, there is no 'Habar Aji' menace, there never was. Contrary to what is peddled on Somalinet, no specific HG clan/clans settled the Mii of Marka but they stationed themselves in plantations and other strategic urban places like some Marka neighbourhoods and No.50. As they do not have local manpower to fall back on, the war was waged mainly by Hawiye SNA units of the 3rd and 5th brigade. These units have mostly returned to Mogadishu after the US cut funding because they were collaborating with AS, engaging in clan battles etc. With Xassan Sheikh no longer in the frame, they also lost crucial funding. To make up for this, the HG businessmen and urban inhabitants have thrown their lot in with AS by paying protection money.

Interesting info.

Are the Garre of L/Shabeelle Tuuf only? How come they’re allied with HG?

The Garre in LS are rivals of the Jiddo in Qoryoley as they are the minority clan in the district. I think they are mostly Tuff but I do not know the exact breakdown. They also graze camels in other districts but do not form the majority in any of the districts of Lower Shabelle hence they struck up a relationship with HG. The Jiddo are self-reliant and have traditionally been more of a fighting force. Why do you think the Garre always got the Digil Confederacy Governor position during the reign of Sharif Saakin even though their are other more numerous Digil Confederacy clans? Mofo was in the pay of the Mooryaan Mafia who did not want a strong native Governor to ascend to the Governorship. For example, the Digil Mirifle hated him because of how he neglected the formation of a native army in Lower Shabelle and the situation of Digil clans in Afgooye etc. The Beggedi and Geledi etc have it worse out of all the clans in Lower Shabelle as their lands are more exposed due their proximity to Mogadishu. The Shanta Caleemod, to a lesser extent, too.

Have Biimal regained their territory now under Waafow and how is the situation for the Biimaal in Jamaame district and the fake Jubbaland admin. Darod are not different from Hawiye when it comes to stealing other people’s land.

[zumaale]

Interesting info.

Are the Garre of L/Shabeelle Tuuf only? How come they’re allied with HG?

The Garre in LS are rivals of the Jiddo in Qoryoley as they are the minority clan in the district. I think they are mostly Tuff but I do not know the exact breakdown. They also graze camels in other districts but do not form the majority in any of the districts of Lower Shabelle hence they struck up a relationship with HG. The Jiddo are self-reliant and have traditionally been more of a fighting force. Why do you think the Garre always got the Digil Confederacy Governor position during the reign of Sharif Saakin even though their are other more numerous Digil Confederacy clans? Mofo was in the pay of the Mooryaan Mafia who did not want a strong native Governor to ascend to the Governorship. For example, the Digil Mirifle hated him because of how he neglected the formation of a native army in Lower Shabelle and the situation of Digil clans in Afgooye etc. The Beggedi and Geledi etc have it worse out of all the clans in Lower Shabelle as their lands are more exposed due their proximity to Mogadishu. The Shanta Caleemod, to a lesser extent, too.

Have Biimal regained their territory now under Waafow and how is the situation for the Biimaal in Jamaame district and the fake Jubbaland admin. Darod are not different from Hawiye when it comes to stealing other people’s land.

Biimaal stopped fighting after AS gave them an ultimatum. The MOFOS burnt villages and pillaged livestock. AS basically control all land surrounding Marka City such as Janaale etc.

A current dormant war is the years-long conflict between AS and the Biyomaal in Lower
Shabelle. This clan has been in conflict with the Habargidir since the 1990s over farmland; and
because it continued fighting despite AS directives to the contrary, it was subjected to attacks by
AS and forced to accept a truce. As punishment, AS has impounded 1000 camels and about 3000 goats from the clan in the past two years.11 Currently, there is a truce between AS and the Biyomaal; however, the clan has still not been paid back its livestock.

https://hiraalinstitute.org/wp-content/ ... litics.pdf

The situation is better in the city itself ever since Xassan Sheikh departed with Waafow now being the District Head of Degmada Marka. He has gradually been imposing more control on the town with the recruitment of his militia into the SNA force stationed in the town. He has got to play it smart as you cannot win a war fighting on two fronts especially with AS calling the shots in LS hence why the Biimaal are bidding their time until it is practical to fight.

Nothing to worry about Jubbaland ATM in regard to clan warfare in Jammaame as the main power is AS. The Jubbaland issue is more about Kismayo hence it is an intra-Darood issue at the moment as they compete for who will control the port along with either a Xabashi or Kenyati protector. The vast majority of the territory is controlled the Shayatin as the hardest place to dislodge AS is in Lower and Middle Jubba, Lower and riverine Middle Shabelle etc due to the terrain. MOFOS also give orders to clans who live in areas they control to volunteer a set number of young boys to be trained for Jihad hence why it ain't any better to live directly under them. I cannot see any fake clan Maamul defeating AS in the Deep South due to its cosmopolitan clan make-up and the pervasive influence of AS. For instance, it would not be an exaggeration to argue that at least half the population in the Deep South, Mogadishu included, are AS sympathisers. Idiots on Somnet are arguing about why so and so is not winning against AS, we need a change of leadership bla bla bla when the fact remains that without Amisom, every Maamul and the FG are fucked.

[Sagax]

The Garre in LS are rivals of the Jiddo in Qoryoley as they are the minority clan in the district. I think they are mostly Tuff but I do not know the exact breakdown. They also graze camels in other districts but do not form the majority in any of the districts of Lower Shabelle hence they struck up a relationship with HG. The Jiddo are self-reliant and have traditionally been more of a fighting force. Why do you think the Garre always got the Digil Confederacy Governor position during the reign of Sharif Saakin even though their are other more numerous Digil Confederacy clans? Mofo was in the pay of the Mooryaan Mafia who did not want a strong native Governor to ascend to the Governorship. For example, the Digil Mirifle hated him because of how he neglected the formation of a native army in Lower Shabelle and the situation of Digil clans in Afgooye etc. The Beggedi and Geledi etc have it worse out of all the clans in Lower Shabelle as their lands are more exposed due their proximity to Mogadishu. The Shanta Caleemod, to a lesser extent, too.

Have Biimal regained their territory now under Waafow and how is the situation for the Biimaal in Jamaame district and the fake Jubbaland admin. Darod are not different from Hawiye when it comes to stealing other people’s land.

Biimaal stopped fighting after AS gave them an ultimatum. The MOFOS burnt villages and pillaged livestock. AS basically control all land surrounding Marka City such as Janaale etc.

A current dormant war is the years-long conflict between AS and the Biyomaal in Lower
Shabelle. This clan has been in conflict with the Habargidir since the 1990s over farmland; and
because it continued fighting despite AS directives to the contrary, it was subjected to attacks by
AS and forced to accept a truce. As punishment, AS has impounded 1000 camels and about 3000 goats from the clan in the past two years.11 Currently, there is a truce between AS and the Biyomaal; however, the clan has still not been paid back its livestock.

https://hiraalinstitute.org/wp-content/ ... litics.pdf

The situation is better in the city itself ever since Xassan Sheikh departed with Waafow now being the District Head of Degmada Marka. He has gradually been imposing more control on the town with the recruitment of his militia into the SNA force stationed in the town. He has got to play it smart as you cannot win a war fighting on two fronts especially with AS calling the shots in LS hence why the Biimaal are bidding their time until it is practical to fight.

Nothing to worry about Jubbaland ATM in regard to clan warfare in Jammaame as the main power is AS. The Jubbaland issue is more about Kismayo hence it is an intra-Darood issue at the moment as they compete for who will control the port along with either a Xabashi or Kenyati protector. The vast majority of the territory is controlled the Shayatin as the hardest place to dislodge AS is in Lower and Middle Jubba, Lower and riverine Middle Shabelle etc due to the terrain. MOFOS also give orders to clans who live in areas they control to volunteer a set number of young boys to be trained for Jihad hence why it ain't any better to live directly under them. I cannot see any fake clan Maamul defeating AS in the Deep South due to its cosmopolitan clan make-up and the pervasive influence of AS. For instance, it would not be an exaggeration to argue that at least half the population in the Deep South, Mogadishu included, are AS sympathisers. Idiots on Somnet are arguing about why so and so is not winning against AS, we need a change of leadership bla bla bla when the fact remains that without Amisom, every Maamul and the FG are fucked.

Do you honestly believe that langaab Dir especially Biimaal can ever resist an HAG front knowing the proximity of Mogadishu to S/hoose, anyway with or without force Beesha Hawiye have already cemented permanently themselves politically in the Koonfur Galbeed having ministers, mp's and even governors so by that definition beesha Hawiye will never leave S/hoose and their is nothing langaab dir can do anything about.

Everyone know that HG has cemented themselves all over S/hoose and in Bay region such as Leego, so beesha dir calacaalin as they wish harm to HG but they cant do shit to the powerful HG.

HG is a reality and a powerful entity in South Somalia, even alshabaab know this, read this:

AS does not treat clans in an equal fashion; for instance, while it forces most clans to pay for the
formation of the Islamic Institutes2 which it uses for recruitment, it has fully paid for the Institute
of one clan the Habargidir/Hawiye.

https://hiraalinstitute.org/wp-content/ ... litics.pdf

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

A hutu HG calling Dir laangaab? They have their own country lmao

Hiraal and Heritage institutes are both HAG and any Darood who works there is a HAG puppet. Hutus should know Darood have a pro Dir agenda by arming them in Marka. That's why they are mucarad to Farmajo. He took away their power in Shabeeloyinka.

[zumaale]

Have Biimal regained their territory now under Waafow and how is the situation for the Biimaal in Jamaame district and the fake Jubbaland admin. Darod are not different from Hawiye when it comes to stealing other people’s land.

Biimaal stopped fighting after AS gave them an ultimatum. The MOFOS burnt villages and pillaged livestock. AS basically control all land surrounding Marka City such as Janaale etc.

A current dormant war is the years-long conflict between AS and the Biyomaal in Lower
Shabelle. This clan has been in conflict with the Habargidir since the 1990s over farmland; and
because it continued fighting despite AS directives to the contrary, it was subjected to attacks by
AS and forced to accept a truce. As punishment, AS has impounded 1000 camels and about 3000 goats from the clan in the past two years.11 Currently, there is a truce between AS and the Biyomaal; however, the clan has still not been paid back its livestock.

https://hiraalinstitute.org/wp-content/ ... litics.pdf

The situation is better in the city itself ever since Xassan Sheikh departed with Waafow now being the District Head of Degmada Marka. He has gradually been imposing more control on the town with the recruitment of his militia into the SNA force stationed in the town. He has got to play it smart as you cannot win a war fighting on two fronts especially with AS calling the shots in LS hence why the Biimaal are bidding their time until it is practical to fight.

Nothing to worry about Jubbaland ATM in regard to clan warfare in Jammaame as the main power is AS. The Jubbaland issue is more about Kismayo hence it is an intra-Darood issue at the moment as they compete for who will control the port along with either a Xabashi or Kenyati protector. The vast majority of the territory is controlled the Shayatin as the hardest place to dislodge AS is in Lower and Middle Jubba, Lower and riverine Middle Shabelle etc due to the terrain. MOFOS also give orders to clans who live in areas they control to volunteer a set number of young boys to be trained for Jihad hence why it ain't any better to live directly under them. I cannot see any fake clan Maamul defeating AS in the Deep South due to its cosmopolitan clan make-up and the pervasive influence of AS. For instance, it would not be an exaggeration to argue that at least half the population in the Deep South, Mogadishu included, are AS sympathisers. Idiots on Somnet are arguing about why so and so is not winning against AS, we need a change of leadership bla bla bla when the fact remains that without Amisom, every Maamul and the FG are fucked.

Do you honestly believe that langaab Dir especially Biimaal can ever resist an HAG front knowing the proximity of Mogadishu to S/hoose, anyway with or without force Beesha Hawiye have already cemented permanently themselves politically in the Koonfur Galbeed having ministers, mp's and even governors so by that definition beesha Hawiye will never leave S/hoose and their is nothing langaab dir can do anything about.

Everyone know that HG has cemented themselves all over S/hoose and in Bay region such as Leego, so beesha dir calacaalin as they wish harm to HG but they cant do shit to the powerful HG.

HG is a reality and a powerful entity in South Somalia, even alshabaab know this, read this:

AS does not treat clans in an equal fashion; for instance, while it forces most clans to pay for the
formation of the Islamic Institutes2 which it uses for recruitment, it has fully paid for the Institute
of one clan the Habargidir/Hawiye.

https://hiraalinstitute.org/wp-content/ ... litics.pdf

A Hawiye who isn't even a full 1 in the 4.5 system without other Samaales and Sheekhaal calling someone else Langaab.

Do not confuse having influence because the capital is in Mogadishu and accumulating ill-gotten wealth from the collapse of the Somali State with being landheer. In Somalia, you only mainly settle Galgudud; South Mudug, Mogadishu and non Jareer and Galjecel/Xawaadle parts of Middle Shabelle so don't get ahead of yourself. Even in Mogadishu, one can even argue that your numerical presence is lessened by the fact it has become a magnet for Raxanweyns and Jareers that breed like rabbits, one man one vote elections in Mogadishu will be interesting. In K5, Hawiyes like the Karanle etc. are numerically irrelevant, so are the Murulle in N.F.D too. As for Somaliland and Djibouti, you are non-existent. So what makes you dare to think you are in any way landheer when your deegans are mainly restricted to parts of a few states in South-Central Somalia?

As for Lower Shabelle, you were too short-sighted looking for Xaran money that you did not think of establishing a Deegan by importing Geeljires hence why you are reliant on the SNA or AS to attack native clans. Apart from Afgooye, there is not one district where you have a strong numerical presence so what makes you think you will maintain influence in the long run? What are you gonna do when the Digil also acquire arms too and turn on your minority urban businessmen etc. like the way Oromos have turned on Amharas in their midst?

If you are going to quote from a source, at least be smart about it. Allow me to quote the rest of the extract that you have selected:

AS does not treat clans in an equal fashion; for instance, while it forces most clans to pay for the
formation of the Islamic Institutes2 which it uses for recruitment, it has fully paid for the Institute
of one clan in Mudug region, the Habargidir/Hawiye. It also conducts fewer Amniyaat (secret police/intelligence) operations in that region. This appears to be a pragmatic approach: AS has a weak presence in that region and is therefore inclined to seek good relations with the locals.

It is not an open secret that a large part of your clan belong to AS. Wasn't the suicide bomber who blew up hundreds of his own people in Zoobe also HG? People on here assume Raxanweyn are the main supporters/foot soldiers of AS but y'all are knee deep in the AS Shitstorm that is Southern Somalia so it ain't nothing to brag about. The ironic thing is that Hawiye AS show no mercy to their own so why boast about being heavily involved in AS?

Refusal to pay taxes is the most common form of rebellion that has resulted in clans being
punished by AS. In Mudug, AS briefly waged war against the Saleban/Habargidir in late
2016/early 2017, with the Fursan (special police) and the Jabha (military wing) fighting the clan
and bringing in reinforcements from other regions - all this because the clan had refused to pay
the Zakah. Dumaye village was completely burnt down and hundreds of livestock were shot and
slaughtered by AS.10 The clan lost about 30 men and AS lost 8 men, with 13 wounded. In the
end, the clan agreed to continue paying Zakah in return for AS stopping its punitive operations.

p.g 4

As for Calaacal, weren't your media crying about Waafow becoming the District Governor of Marka because he is head of the Biimaal militia? The Indhacade days are not coming back in Marka District so get with the program.

C/llaahi Axmed Waafow ayaa shalay loo magacaabay Guddoomiyaha degmada Marka ee xarunta Gobalka Shabeelaha Hoose, waxaana durba magaalada ka bilaawday walaac dhinaca amniga.

Waafow waxaa la sheegaa inuu yahay mid kamid ah Saraakiishii hormuudka u ahaa dagaal beeleedyadii ka dhacay Sh/Hoose, kaas oo ay ku dhamaadeyn boqolaal shacab ah oo aan waxba galabsan.

C/llaahi Axmed Waafow waxa uu hogaamin jiray maleeshiyo u dhashay mid kamid ah beelaha ku dagaalamay Gobalka Sh/Hoose, waxaa uuna hogaamiyay dagaalo badan oo ka dhacay Marka, No.50 No.60 iyo meelo kale. Sidoo kale waxa uu ka qayb qaatay in Ciidamada AMISOM ay duqayn ka fuliyaan goobo ay daganayeen dad shacab ah kadib markii uu sheegay in aagaasi ay ku sugnaayeen Al-Shabaab.

Carruur, Dumar iyo waayeelo ayaa ka mid ahaa dadkii ay dileen maleeshiyadii uu hogaamin jiray Waafow oo ahaa madaxii howlgalada Maleshiyada Beesha Biyamaal.

Magaalada Muqdisho ayaa la sheegaa in uu ka qaaday sanadihii ugu dambeeyay hub tiro badan kuwaas oo la geeyay Gobalka waxaana hubkaasi laga qaaday AMISOM iyo dad u dhashay degaanka.

https://www.caasimada.net/mid-ka-mid-ah ... agacaabay/

[original dervish]

The Biimaal are JL natural allies as we both face an exitensial threat from AS/HAG.

Once AS is cleared from JL we should continue to fight them into S Hoose and beyond.

The same for Bay_Bakool.....AS should be forced into their hag heartlands from whence they sprung.

The ultimate aim is to have an AS free SW state to act as a buffer between JL and hagland.

[sahal80]

Kkkk zumaale even when hawadle left caydiid southern dir were still allied with him along side with cumar jees. In late 1993 abdiwarsame switched to Ali Mahdi

Here he calls them manifesto

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_Warsame_Isaq

HG are hiraab and hawiye and Samaale who lived historically in lower shabelle so I dont know how they r different than darods in JL. alot of diaspora darods includong dhulbahante settled in coastal JL since Ahmed madoobe was there. HG now live in qoryooleey and walawayn with garre and in qalimow in middle shabelle wich is adjacent to lower shabelle and this gives them hiraab depth all the way from garasbaaleey to huriwaa and from afgooye to Jazeera. Al Shabaab is closer to HG than biimaal despite a little change since its dir ameer and the reason is that HG are well balanced and have a foot in every group. Guutada sadexasd aka gobaale are leaving positions for pro HG al Shabaab in shalaambood and bariire. This why there is no al Shabaab in HG land. They switch sides.

[Sagax]

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[Xildiiid]

The Garre in LS are rivals of the Jiddo in Qoryoley as they are the minority clan in the district. I think they are mostly Tuff but I do not know the exact breakdown. They also graze camels in other districts but do not form the majority in any of the districts of Lower Shabelle hence they struck up a relationship with HG. The Jiddo are self-reliant and have traditionally been more of a fighting force. Why do you think the Garre always got the Digil Confederacy Governor position during the reign of Sharif Saakin even though their are other more numerous Digil Confederacy clans? Mofo was in the pay of the Mooryaan Mafia who did not want a strong native Governor to ascend to the Governorship. For example, the Digil Mirifle hated him because of how he neglected the formation of a native army in Lower Shabelle and the situation of Digil clans in Afgooye etc. The Beggedi and Geledi etc have it worse out of all the clans in Lower Shabelle as their lands are more exposed due their proximity to Mogadishu. The Shanta Caleemod, to a lesser extent, too.

Have Biimal regained their territory now under Waafow and how is the situation for the Biimaal in Jamaame district and the fake Jubbaland admin. Darod are not different from Hawiye when it comes to stealing other people’s land.

Biimaal stopped fighting after AS gave them an ultimatum. The MOFOS burnt villages and pillaged livestock. AS basically control all land surrounding Marka City such as Janaale etc.

A current dormant war is the years-long conflict between AS and the Biyomaal in Lower
Shabelle. This clan has been in conflict with the Habargidir since the 1990s over farmland; and
because it continued fighting despite AS directives to the contrary, it was subjected to attacks by
AS and forced to accept a truce. As punishment, AS has impounded 1000 camels and about 3000 goats from the clan in the past two years.11 Currently, there is a truce between AS and the Biyomaal; however, the clan has still not been paid back its livestock.

https://hiraalinstitute.org/wp-content/ ... litics.pdf

The situation is better in the city itself ever since Xassan Sheikh departed with Waafow now being the District Head of Degmada Marka. He has gradually been imposing more control on the town with the recruitment of his militia into the SNA force stationed in the town. He has got to play it smart as you cannot win a war fighting on two fronts especially with AS calling the shots in LS hence why the Biimaal are bidding their time until it is practical to fight.

Nothing to worry about Jubbaland ATM in regard to clan warfare in Jammaame as the main power is AS. The Jubbaland issue is more about Kismayo hence it is an intra-Darood issue at the moment as they compete for who will control the port along with either a Xabashi or Kenyati protector. The vast majority of the territory is controlled the Shayatin as the hardest place to dislodge AS is in Lower and Middle Jubba, Lower and riverine Middle Shabelle etc due to the terrain. MOFOS also give orders to clans who live in areas they control to volunteer a set number of young boys to be trained for Jihad hence why it ain't any better to live directly under them. I cannot see any fake clan Maamul defeating AS in the Deep South due to its cosmopolitan clan make-up and the pervasive influence of AS. For instance, it would not be an exaggeration to argue that at least half the population in the Deep South, Mogadishu included, are AS sympathisers. Idiots on Somnet are arguing about why so and so is not winning against AS, we need a change of leadership bla bla bla when the fact remains that without Amisom, every Maamul and the FG are fucked.

Thanks for the info Zumaale

[Sagax]

Looool, im gonna entertain your langaab dir arse and play along.

You claiming 2 occupiued lands as Dir majority when infact its an Ethiopian and Kenyan lands by right of occupation and as for Djibouti its an tiny lands with an land mass of 23,200 km², and us HAG not only we also live in those occupied lands you claimed in Ethiopia and Kenya, but we HG alone have an state all by ourselves that far exceeds the land size of your langaab Djibouti and that HG State is Galmudug 146,000 km2 (56,000 sq mi)
https://so.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galmudug.

Zumaale your dir folks are weak, useless and irrelevant, and thats a fact.

[zumaale]

Kkkk zumaale even when hawadle left caydiid southern dir were still allied with him along side with cumar jees. In late 1993 abdiwarsame switched to Ali Mahdi

Here he calls them manifesto

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_Warsame_Isaq

HG are hiraab and hawiye and Samaale who lived historically in lower shabelle so I dont know how they r different than darods in JL. alot of diaspora darods includong dhulbahante settled in coastal JL since Ahmed madoobe was there. HG now live in qoryooleey and walawayn with garre and in qalimow in middle shabelle wich is adjacent to lower shabelle and this gives them hiraab depth all the way from garasbaaleey to huriwaa and from afgooye to Jazeera. Al Shabaab is closer to HG than biimaal despite a little change since its dir ameer and the reason is that HG are well balanced and have a foot in every group. Guutada sadexasd aka gobaale are leaving positions for pro HG al Shabaab in shalaambood and bariire. This why there is no al Shabaab in HG land. They switch sides.

This ain't about Hawiye as Mudulood and Murusade have historically had deegans in Lower Shabelle hence why you have Reer Mii from those clans. You mention Hiiraab but weren't the Wacdan complaining about not getting representation in their own land after HG's from Mogadishu established settlements in their traditional territory around Ceelasha Biyaha. Then again, they got greedy and started selling Goofs to all buyers.

The difference between JL and LS is that the Darood moved there with nomads and created settlements. Harti are not newcomers to Jubbalabd either so get your facts right in assuming Dhulbahante moved there after Madoobe came to power. Even if some did move there recently, it is not like they are encroaching on someone else's land so your analogy is flawed as there already exists Harti deegans.

As you are aware, unless you create extensive settlements by relocating masses of rural folk, you cannot really establish yourself properly in a new territory. Hence, why the HG either rely on the SNA or AS to do their fighting in LS. Did you know that before the war, MJ dominated an entire neighborhood of Marka? Where do you think Cadde Muuse was born? Where are they now?

The Garre and Mudulood etc. are free to share their towns with HG urban settlers, however, that is not the issue I raised in my first reply to you. Despite your Irir talk, the Biimaal want nothing to do with HG and were particularly concerned with regaining some of the plantations that the Kacaan illegally nationalised and was later squatted on by HG militias. These militias never bothered to bring in their own workers and simply continued to use the semi-free Bantu. The minority HG's living in Marka etc. as urban citizens were never a problem as they did not squat on Biimaal neighbourhoods nor have they established themselves in the surrounding countryside of the District.

[Mk777]

Kkkk zumaale even when hawadle left caydiid southern dir were still allied with him along side with cumar jees. In late 1993 abdiwarsame switched to Ali Mahdi

Here he calls them manifesto

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdi_Warsame_Isaq

HG are hiraab and hawiye and Samaale who lived historically in lower shabelle so I dont know how they r different than darods in JL. alot of diaspora darods includong dhulbahante settled in coastal JL since Ahmed madoobe was there. HG now live in qoryooleey and walawayn with garre and in qalimow in middle shabelle wich is adjacent to lower shabelle and this gives them hiraab depth all the way from garasbaaleey to huriwaa and from afgooye to Jazeera. Al Shabaab is closer to HG than biimaal despite a little change since its dir ameer and the reason is that HG are well balanced and have a foot in every group. Guutada sadexasd aka gobaale are leaving positions for pro HG al Shabaab in shalaambood and bariire. This why there is no al Shabaab in HG land. They switch sides.

This ain't about Hawiye as Mudulood and Murusade have historically had deegans in Lower Shabelle hence why you have Reer Mii from those clans. You mention Hiiraab but weren't the Wacdan complaining about not getting representation in their own land after HG's from Mogadishu established settlements in their traditional territory around Ceelasha Biyaha. Then again, they got greedy and started selling Goofs to all buyers.

The difference between JL and LS is that the Darood moved there with nomads and created settlements. Harti are not newcomers to Jubbalabd either so get your facts right in assuming Dhulbahante moved there after Madoobe came to power. Even if some did move there recently, it is not like they are encroaching on someone else's land so your analogy is flawed as there already exists Harti deegans.

As you are aware, unless you create extensive settlements by relocating masses of rural folk, you cannot really establish yourself properly in a new territory. Hence, why the HG either rely on the SNA or AS to do their fighting in LS. Did you know that before the war, MJ dominated an entire neighborhood of Marka? Where do you think Cadde Muuse was born? Where are they now?

The Garre and Mudulood etc. are free to share their towns with HG urban settlers, however, that is not the issue I raised in my first reply to you. Despite your Irir talk, the Biimaal want nothing to do with HG and were particularly concerned with regaining some of the plantations that the Kacaan illegally nationalised and was later squatted on by HG militias. These militias never bothered to bring in their own workers and simply continued to use the semi-free Bantu. The minority HG's living in Marka etc. as urban citizens were never a problem as they did not squat on Biimaal neighbourhoods nor have they established themselves in the surrounding countryside of the District.

Lower shabelle will never be stable if biimaal geledi Jiddu etc are not giving their Xaq. Ceyr compose no more than 10% of the population in that region yet people want them to control this state. HG have Xamar, galmudug Hormuud etc why don’t they let the locals control their destiny. This is not the era of indhacade and other warlords. Give the people their xaq or we will never move forward

[balwarama]

Zumaale is well versed in everything Somali. Please educate the masses. Specially this Iidoor gaal- Xildiid!

[balwarama]

Biimaal have their own district in Jubbaland which is Jamaame. We Daroods in Jubbaland know and accept this.