Somali History as told by a Eritrean Saho elder

[dalalos101]

I think the problem is it may be the ENGLISH LANGUAGE that presents a difficult understanding for you.

How can you even attempt to talk about language/linguistics when you fail at basic comprehension? The irony makes me chuckle.

Literally, you have brought exactly what I said, but have interpreted it very wrongly engaging in a very apparent illogical fallacy called "non-sequitur."

Non-sequitor basically means the PREMISE of what you are saying is true, but your CONCLUSION is absolutely false.

Since you are deeply emotionally invested in reaching this false conclusion, how about we use Lamberti's;


1. MAPs to gauge what Lamberti meant by "Northern Somali" as a general term to explain who the standard Somali is attributed to

Yes, Lamberti did say "Northern Somali" supplied the official language of the Somali Republic, but his classification of "Northern Somali" for that point is the COMMON SOMALI tongue that is spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Boosaaso as it is in Hargeisa;

Here is his map to show what he meant by Northen Somali



See where Lamberti put NordSomali in Garbahaaray? I don't see any Isaaq there.

2. As if his MAP wasn't enough to show you he DID NOT MEAN ISAAQ when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of the Somali language standard, Lamberti actually EXPLAINED HIMSELF in his first and most exhaustive book.

His 200+ page German-language chief scholarly book on the subject titled Die Somali-Dialekte from 1983 (what you posted is a smal English language primer of his 1983 book prepared for the 1986 Somali Language Conference)

In Page 31 of Die Somali-Dialekte which was the seminal work of Lamberti

To further spread these dialects in recent years, the choice of dialect of Mudug has contributed to the national language of the Democratic Republic of Somalia. It is this Daarood dialect that is the source of publications in the Somali language, be it textbooks or literary works. Also, the use of a koiné of these dialects as means of communication of mass media (radio and magazines, etc.) as well as of school operations has led each Somali to understand and speak these dialects, as well as a second mother tongue, even if his own Dialect belongs to another group. The dialects of this group are also the best studied to date and their interest in them has increased even more since they set the national language of the country. Many publications have appeared, especially on Is. In the study of this dialect,

3. It's embarrassing how your entire position was built on bad comprehension of phraseology LITERALLY only relevant to direction. .

Lamberti called the Common Somali tongue "Northern Somali" because everything north of Beled-Weyne came under it in comparison to Af Maay and Af Banaadiir who occupied south-central.

So when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali the word "northern" made you guys perk up.

Then when differentiating Northern Somali, he called the actually northern most region "proper North" (as in directionally proper) like how everything west of the Mississippi is the West to US East Coast but the 3 States of Oregon, Washington, and California are the proper West Coast.

It's literally bad comprehension and desperate intent because Lamberti HIMSELF explained just WHICH GROUP of "Northern Somali" he had in mind when he said that overall dialect is the base of standard Somali.

4. Why do you guys always come up with the ridiculous Gogo xaar.

Somali is a TONAL language. The entire gender/pitch/meaning/sound of a word changes based on tone.

Gogol xaar is not the same as "xaar". I literally pronounce them differently.

When saying Gogol "xaar," my tongue is literally stiff and flares at the wings near my molars. Also my tongue makes an indentation near the tip.

When saying the bathroom "xaar" my tongue is lazy and loose. 0 stress or stiffness.

Tone has many important uses in Somalia. For example it also makes gender sometimes. Look at the wors "inan"

I-nan with initial stressed tongue means boy
In-an with a very lazy and loose tongue means girl

5. No comment about what colonial writer said about any tribe bruhaha. How impressionable are you?

I can't count how many colonial writings I have read and the truth is it's the first tribe that gets to them that is their perspective on the people.

I have come across Marehan saying they don't give their girls to the Hawiye because they blow up the ass of their cows. Why would I need to bring that to anyone knowing ridiculous tribal prejudice was expressed?

6. Finally, please let this be a lesson to you. You guys have posted that embarrassing concoction literally everywhere when the Lamberti preempted you and explained exactly what he meant.

Next time do better research before embarrassing yourself.

should have ended with "but I am not a linguist"



LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Seedyare]

5. No comment about what colonial writer said about any tribe bruhaha. How impressionable are you?...........Why would I need to bring that to anyone knowing ridiculous tribal prejudice was expressed.

This one severely destroys some section of Snet community who happen to have immense respect and reverence for anything uttered by a white man from the colonial era

[jannoman]

No way Darood would fight us. No way. How you gonna get to djbouti anyway?? Through Somaliland (Isaaq won't let u), Through Ethiopia??? No chance the oromo will stop you. The only way will be on wooden boat and Emirati F16 will be making sure you sink before you even leave Puntland

Issa is the maternal uncles of Darood. I'll leave it there.

Eritreans and Darood go way back, Darood are smart enough to know their time is up when they were used by the woyane tigray to disturb the area. This is not a yard fight warya its either you are with us or against us and Darood will understand their maternal nephews f**ked up ig time and got to be demoted to second class soon. You got to accept that it is happening and the Yahud have approved it and gave the green light to flick them.

Jews satanic world order/hegemony is falling apart for that which is unjust is borne to fall apart.....and as a Muslim Alle told us what they are....and that is what we should uphold and not get swayed by their evil propaganda and warmongering.......sometimes i think though you all pretend to represent different Somali tribes and horn ethnicities yet i believe majority of snetters are in the jewish payroll in sowing discord between the people of the horn....divide and rule shit....but you can fool some of the people sometimes but YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME...
and here is what Allah says about the jeush......
: Allah, the Glorious and Sublime, warns us of the Israelites, whom he has cursed in the Quran. "Those of the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by David and Jesus, son of Mary; that, on account of their disobedience and their aggression. They used not to forbid one another from committing any of the evils they were committing. Evil is what they did!"

These people - whom God, the Glorious and sublime, had made into monkeys and pigs, had become discontent and angry with, had cursed in this world and in the hereafter, and had imposed a punishment on them in this World until Judgment Day - So do not forget who the Jews are, and do not distance yourselves from our Quran, history, and heritage, and understand your reality.

[jannoman]

As for "His-story" i don't believe what this so called "historians" and "scientist" and "researchers" feed us.....the best you can do is do your own critical thinking by reading in the name of our Lord that made us....... don't be like the once the holy Quran describes as "they have 'eyes' they don't see with......open your eyes ......widen your horizon..........and why not start from here......

[Canuck2]

You have to understand one thing, some of the most elites in The eritrean army are afar/saho, infact one of the most famous brigades and most experienced is mainly made up of afar/saho and they were the one that stopped the Ethiopian special forces moving into asseb in 1999-2000 near Buya close to djbouti borders. The afar in the eritrean army would east the Issa for breakfast Trust me they are trained to the core and mostly have experinced the 1998-2000 war with ethiopia the Issa goat herders with a rusted AK47 will be no match for them. forget about the djboutian army all they do is eat khat and sleep they do not know what fighting is let alone a war. They can't even handle few oromo militia and are crying all over the internet.

Afar are just foot soldiers in Eritrean army, & whole army is ran by Christian Tigray(whatever they called themselves), majority of Muslim afar ran to refugee camps in Sudan & to Saudi crying & begging with Muslim card. Spread your lies somewhere else.

I have met afars in the Eritrean army, they would eat Issa djboutian soldiers for breakfast. On another note you heard about the problems in Ethiopia around the Issa/oromo/afar triangle which there is alot of problems. If you happen to go to some afar towns you would find some Eritrean afar "advisors" who in reality are from the Eritrean defense force can you smell what the future is brewing for the Issa there??

MidriGeez Or xiidid stop embarrassing yourself, those Eritrean army advisors failed & were humiliated by some isse nomads. Also how could random Eritrean man knows about our clan system & where each clan resides, small fact of darood are far from Djibouti!!!!!.
get a life instead of multinicking in Somali forums.

[Xildiiid]

I think the problem is it may be the ENGLISH LANGUAGE that presents a difficult understanding for you.

How can you even attempt to talk about language/linguistics when you fail at basic comprehension? The irony makes me chuckle.

Literally, you have brought exactly what I said, but have interpreted it very wrongly engaging in a very apparent illogical fallacy called "non-sequitur."

Non-sequitor basically means the PREMISE of what you are saying is true, but your CONCLUSION is absolutely false.

Since you are deeply emotionally invested in reaching this false conclusion, how about we use Lamberti's;


1. MAPs to gauge what Lamberti meant by "Northern Somali" as a general term to explain who the standard Somali is attributed to

Yes, Lamberti did say "Northern Somali" supplied the official language of the Somali Republic, but his classification of "Northern Somali" for that point is the COMMON SOMALI tongue that is spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Boosaaso as it is in Hargeisa;

Here is his map to show what he meant by Northen Somali



See where Lamberti put NordSomali in Garbahaaray? I don't see any Isaaq there.

2. As if his MAP wasn't enough to show you he DID NOT MEAN ISAAQ when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of the Somali language standard, Lamberti actually EXPLAINED HIMSELF in his first and most exhaustive book.

His 200+ page German-language chief scholarly book on the subject titled Die Somali-Dialekte from 1983 (what you posted is a smal English language primer of his 1983 book prepared for the 1986 Somali Language Conference)

In Page 31 of Die Somali-Dialekte which was the seminal work of Lamberti

To further spread these dialects in recent years, the choice of dialect of Mudug has contributed to the national language of the Democratic Republic of Somalia. It is this Daarood dialect that is the source of publications in the Somali language, be it textbooks or literary works. Also, the use of a koiné of these dialects as means of communication of mass media (radio and magazines, etc.) as well as of school operations has led each Somali to understand and speak these dialects, as well as a second mother tongue, even if his own Dialect belongs to another group. The dialects of this group are also the best studied to date and their interest in them has increased even more since they set the national language of the country. Many publications have appeared, especially on Is. In the study of this dialect,

3. It's embarrassing how your entire position was built on bad comprehension of phraseology LITERALLY only relevant to direction. .

Lamberti called the Common Somali tongue "Northern Somali" because everything north of Beled-Weyne came under it in comparison to Af Maay and Af Banaadiir who occupied south-central.

So when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali the word "northern" made you guys perk up.

Then when differentiating Northern Somali, he called the actually northern most region "proper North" (as in directionally proper) like how everything west of the Mississippi is the West to US East Coast but the 3 States of Oregon, Washington, and California are the proper West Coast.

It's literally bad comprehension and desperate intent because Lamberti HIMSELF explained just WHICH GROUP of "Northern Somali" he had in mind when he said that overall dialect is the base of standard Somali.

4. Why do you guys always come up with the ridiculous Gogo xaar.

Somali is a TONAL language. The entire gender/pitch/meaning/sound of a word changes based on tone.

Gogol xaar is not the same as "xaar". I literally pronounce them differently.

When saying Gogol "xaar," my tongue is literally stiff and flares at the wings near my molars. Also my tongue makes an indentation near the tip.

When saying the bathroom "xaar" my tongue is lazy and loose. 0 stress or stiffness.

Tone has many important uses in Somalia. For example it also makes gender sometimes. Look at the wors "inan"

I-nan with initial stressed tongue means boy
In-an with a very lazy and loose tongue means girl

5. No comment about what colonial writer said about any tribe bruhaha. How impressionable are you?

I can't count how many colonial writings I have read and the truth is it's the first tribe that gets to them that is their perspective on the people.

I have come across Marehan saying they don't give their girls to the Hawiye because they blow up the ass of their cows. Why would I need to bring that to anyone knowing ridiculous tribal prejudice was expressed?

6. Finally, please let this be a lesson to you. You guys have posted that embarrassing concoction literally everywhere when the Lamberti preempted you and explained exactly what he meant.

Next time do better research before embarrassing yourself.

I don’t think you’ve read Lambertis work. There’s a section in the report in which he explains the linguistic features of “Northern Somali” and in that chapter he states that the “Darod group” and “Lower Jubba group” deviate from ”Northern Somali in its proper sense”. He’s not using the phrase to describe geography. Ras Caseyr is further north than both Somaliland and Djibouti.

There’s also a map to highlight the difference within Northern Somali.

1. Northern Somali in its proper sense
2. Darod group (Mudug/Ogaden)
3. Lower Jubba



Lamberti made a correct observation. As a way to spread certain dialect the Kacaan junta chose the Mudug (Darod group variety) despite the eminent linguistic errors within this version of NSom.

There’s nothing tonal about the word xaar. It literally means feces. You can’t compare it to the Somali term for adolescent. There’s nothing feminine or masculine about the term ‘xaar’.

Btw, inan (masculine form, emphasis on the first vowel) while inan (feminine form, emphasis on the last consonant).

How do you explain the linguistic errors in terms such as; Gar = legal case, Gadh = beard. The Mudug version use Gar for both with the exact same pronunciation.

2nd example; Bar = teach, Badh = half. Again Bar is used for both with the same pronunciation.

3rd example; War = news, Wadh = to hang (as in cloths or meat etc). The Mudug (Darod group) use War for both with the same pronunciation etc

Another linguistic error within the Darod group (Mudug) is the tendency to add “h” to single words. This feature is mainly activated when using verbs. Examples:

1.Cunhayaa
2.Cabhayaa
3.Soconhayaa

Now compare it to “NSom in its proper sense”.

1. Cunaya
2. Cabaya
3. Soconaya

Cunaya becomes a compound word in the Mudug dialect. It sound almost like a real compound word like Beenhawaas (Been-hawaas).

[Xildiiid]

A clueless weirdo divided Somali dielects into ;Isaaq ,Mudug ,Dir and Benadir dialects and yet again someone here is acknowleding the former's absurdity as a legit and worthwhile !


Why on earth did he left out ;

Ree Bari Dialect
Ree Waamo Dialect
Ree Joorre Dialect
Abgaal Dialect (not Benadiri)
Galbeed dialect -Most spoken by Somalis that border Oromo .Their Somali a bit sounds heavy and wordy .

Djiboutian Dialect (predominantly Ciisa)

Degodia and Ajuran dialects of Wajir .

And more importantly the GIANT ogaden dialect though it has notable sub dialects


Who is and who is not Dir? That is debatable but the widely accepted version is that Dir are a cluster of Somali clans who make up one of the two prominent northern Somali groups .Dir and Daarood .However , Majority of the those who identify with the Dir name in the present day are of course the Southern Dir .Simply put, Dir is too large to be associated with one dialect as they dont hail from one geographical zone .



Finally, Ogaden poets are far superior in every sense of the word.

So a renowned American linguist is a clueless weirdo? Lol.

Luigi Robecchi Bricchetti, the man who coined the term “Somalia”, travelled the Somali Peninsula before colonialism and interviewed contemporary poets of different clan background and they all agreed that a man called “Gabay Xoog” was the best poet. The Italian explorer concluded after extensive interviews that the top 3 best poets of that time were all Isaaq. Are you going to dispute that as well without presenting any evidence?

Bring on full account depicting his travels across the vast lands inhabited by the Somali .


Liugi was indeed clueless when it comes to Somali anthropology and that is quite apparent in his ridiculous comments on Somali dialects.


Qamaan ,Dhoodaan , Sayyidka, Ina Dage ,Ina Beenaleey and Rage are the best poets of all time .The evidence lies in their insurmountable poems that are widely acknowledged by all Somalis .

bring on the poems of Gabay xoog .To my knowledge Salaan Afloow ,Yawle and Qawdhan are the very best of all iidoor poets .

“Widely acknowledged by all Somalis”.. who are these Somalis and where’s the proof?

Luigi R. Bricchetti was an objective explorer. It wasn’t his opinion but the opinion of contemporary Somali poets all over the Somali Peninsula.

Secondly, it was American linguist John J. Pia that described the Isaaq dialect (af Isaaq) as having the highest prestige.

[Voltage]

You must have been dropped on the head as a baby.

Take your losses and cut. This is my last response to you. I am not going to be babysitting a grown man's pride and ego.

"I don't think you read Lamberti's work?"

That's the same spiteful crap you came with when I initially told you Lamberti actually VERBATIM wrote it was Darod he had in mind when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali.

So what did I do?

I brought you the exact passage in the exact page of his exact book.

Now you are enaging in another illogical fallacy called POISONING THE WELL.

1.NO ONE has said "Northern Somali" did not diverge. That's NEVER been the arguement.

Literally your entire response is irrelevant..

2. Heck just as "Northern Somali" diverged into Northern proper (again learn English, usage of "proper" here is directionally proper), DAROD GROUP DIVERGED WITHIN ITSELF.

Af Ogadeen, Af Warsangeli, Af Marehan, etc.

3. THE ARGUEMENT WAS NOT ABOUT DIVERGENCE BUT ABOUT WHAT IS THE BASE OF STANDARD SOMALI.

Your ridiculous conjecture went like this;

A. Lamberti said Northern Somali was the base of Standard Somali
B. Lamberti said northern proper is Hargeisa-Burco triangle
C. Lamberti meant Hargeisa-Burco triangle is the base of Standard Somali


WELL NO!!!!


Lamberti HIMSELF explained what he meant and he meant DAROD GROUP within NORTHERN SOMALI was the base of standard Somali

Bah bye.

[zumaale]

A clueless weirdo divided Somali dielects into ;Isaaq ,Mudug ,Dir and Benadir dialects and yet again someone here is acknowleding the former's absurdity as a legit and worthwhile !


Why on earth did he left out ;

Ree Bari Dialect
Ree Waamo Dialect
Ree Joorre Dialect
Abgaal Dialect (not Benadiri)
Galbeed dialect -Most spoken by Somalis that border Oromo .Their Somali a bit sounds heavy and wordy .

Djiboutian Dialect (predominantly Ciisa)

Degodia and Ajuran dialects of Wajir .

And more importantly the GIANT ogaden dialect though it has notable sub dialects


Who is and who is not Dir? That is debatable but the widely accepted version is that Dir are a cluster of Somali clans who make up one of the two prominent northern Somali groups .Dir and Daarood .However , Majority of the those who identify with the Dir name in the present day are of course the Southern Dir .Simply put, Dir is too large to be associated with one dialect as they dont hail from one geographical zone .



Finally, Ogaden poets are far superior in every sense of the word.

Biimaal never identified themselves as Dir first. To non-Dirs, 'Dir' in Southern Somalia was mainly associated mainly with Surre subclans such as the Fiqi subclans that branch off from Qubeys and Cabdalla because when most of the ancestors of these Surre subclans in the South left Waqooyi hundreds of years ago to give Dacwa, they identified themselves as Dir because there existed a cohesive Dir identity at that time. Their descendants continued with this tradition.

You are right though to argue that Dir cannot be associated with one dialect but, broadly speaking, the Reer Waqooyi dialect is probably the closest dialect to what our ancestors spoke before migrating South as we originate from there and those that have remained there are arguably better representatives of the Somali spoken by our ancestors.

[MidriGeez]

Its a bit disingenuous to call it northern dialect when it is spoken by majority of Somalis in the south, and it is the standard form of Somali.

Anyway I don't believe this crap that Afar-Saho and Beja have the purest form of cushetic, their language is not even national language of their country, furthermore are we gonna deny the fact that they are strongly influenced by Arabic or habesha languages ?

So what if they are not the national Language??? so are you saying Ogaden people are irrelevant because somali is not a national language in Ethiopia??

Somali is the state language of Somalia you silly boy there is no Beja, Afar, Saho states, and those languages are not the official languages of any state.

So what? wu native to the shanghai region of china is a language spoken there, it is not the national language which is Mandarin. I am sure if you ask them would you rather be a somali with a state and national language they would decline and stick with what they have.

[MidriGeez]

Issa is the maternal uncles of Darood. I'll leave it there.

Eritreans and Darood go way back, Darood are smart enough to know their time is up when they were used by the woyane tigray to disturb the area. This is not a yard fight warya its either you are with us or against us and Darood will understand their maternal nephews f**ked up ig time and got to be demoted to second class soon. You got to accept that it is happening and the Yahud have approved it and gave the green light to flick them.

Jews satanic world order/hegemony is falling apart for that which is unjust is borne to fall apart.....and as a Muslim Alle told us what they are....and that is what we should uphold and not get swayed by their evil propaganda and warmongering.......sometimes i think though you all pretend to represent different Somali tribes and horn ethnicities yet i believe majority of snetters are in the jewish payroll in sowing discord between the people of the horn....divide and rule shit....but you can fool some of the people sometimes but YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME...
and here is what Allah says about the jeush......
: Allah, the Glorious and Sublime, warns us of the Israelites, whom he has cursed in the Quran. "Those of the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by David and Jesus, son of Mary; that, on account of their disobedience and their aggression. They used not to forbid one another from committing any of the evils they were committing. Evil is what they did!"

These people - whom God, the Glorious and sublime, had made into monkeys and pigs, had become discontent and angry with, had cursed in this world and in the hereafter, and had imposed a punishment on them in this World until Judgment Day - So do not forget who the Jews are, and do not distance yourselves from our Quran, history, and heritage, and understand your reality.

I agree with what you have written, well most of it anyway. My point is some are going to be sacrificed before their doom comes. I just believe that the Issa is one of those sacrifices that is all. The Issa were serving the Yahud anyway for long time its just the cost of business when you deal with yahud, once you finish with them you got to be destroyed. See Tigrayan woyane as an example to this too they have empowered the oromo to finish them off.

[MidriGeez]

Afar are just foot soldiers in Eritrean army, & whole army is ran by Christian Tigray(whatever they called themselves), majority of Muslim afar ran to refugee camps in Sudan & to Saudi crying & begging with Muslim card. Spread your lies somewhere else.

I have met afars in the Eritrean army, they would eat Issa djboutian soldiers for breakfast. On another note you heard about the problems in Ethiopia around the Issa/oromo/afar triangle which there is alot of problems. If you happen to go to some afar towns you would find some Eritrean afar "advisors" who in reality are from the Eritrean defense force can you smell what the future is brewing for the Issa there??

MidriGeez Or xiidid stop embarrassing yourself, those Eritrean army advisors failed & were humiliated by some isse nomads. Also how could random Eritrean man knows about our clan system & where each clan resides, small fact of darood are far from Djibouti!!!!!.
get a life instead of multinicking in Somali forums.

What ever makes you sleep at night. Look at my posts from Years ago i tell things that is happening and will happen because my sources comes from high ranking sources. Your woyane backed Militia are silently getting wiped out but you do not hear about it. they are getting quick burials in silence, what happened to the dozen special forces of the somali region who were executed and buried near gewane, who do you think did that and now the Issa are scared and hiding behind their Goats, they know who they messing with now wait for it Rwanda 2.0 is coming soon.

[Xildiiid]

You must have been dropped on the head as a baby.

Take your losses and cut. This is my last response to you. I am not going to be babysitting a grown man's pride and ego.

"I don't think you read Lamberti's work?"

That's the same spiteful crap you came with when I initially told you Lamberti actually VERBATIM wrote it was Darod he had in mind when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali.

So what did I do?

I brought you the exact passage in the exact page of his exact book.

Now you are enaging in another illogical fallacy called POISONING THE WELL.

1.NO ONE has said "Northern Somali" did not diverge. That's NEVER been the arguement.

Literally your entire response is irrelevant..

2. Heck just as "Northern Somali" diverged into Northern proper (again learn English, usage of "proper" here is directionally proper), DAROD GROUP DIVERGED WITHIN ITSELF.

Af Ogadeen, Af Warsangeli, Af Marehan, etc.

3. THE ARGUEMENT WAS NOT ABOUT DIVERGENCE BUT ABOUT WHAT IS THE BASE OF STANDARD SOMALI.

Your ridiculous conjecture went like this;

A. Lamberti said Northern Somali was the base of Standard Somali
B. Lamberti said northern proper is Hargeisa-Burco triangle
C. Lamberti meant Hargeisa-Burco triangle is the base of Standard Somali


WELL NO!!!!


Lamberti HIMSELF explained what he meant and he meant DAROD GROUP within NORTHERN SOMALI was the base of standard Somali

Bah bye.

No need for strawman arguments, ad hominems and calaacal.

The “Darod group” and “Lower Jubba” group share unique basic features with “NSom in its proper sense” but both diverged into outliers and he gives examples. When you read the examples you can see the linguistic errors.

No it’s not, geographically Ras Caseyr (where the “Darod group” dialect is spoken) is further north than Somaliland and Djibouti.

He never said that, don’t project your opinion. He shared a valid observation. The regime wanted to spread certain dialect so they chose Mudug (Darod group) variety and it became the benchmark for school textbooks etc. despite eminent linguistic errors.

[Ramaax55]

I think the problem is it may be the ENGLISH LANGUAGE that presents a difficult understanding for you.

How can you even attempt to talk about language/linguistics when you fail at basic comprehension? The irony makes me chuckle.

Literally, you have brought exactly what I said, but have interpreted it very wrongly engaging in a very apparent illogical fallacy called "non-sequitur."

Non-sequitor basically means the PREMISE of what you are saying is true, but your CONCLUSION is absolutely false.

Since you are deeply emotionally invested in reaching this false conclusion, how about we use Lamberti's;


1. MAPs to gauge what Lamberti meant by "Northern Somali" as a general term to explain who the standard Somali is attributed to

Yes, Lamberti did say "Northern Somali" supplied the official language of the Somali Republic, but his classification of "Northern Somali" for that point is the COMMON SOMALI tongue that is spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Boosaaso as it is in Hargeisa;

Here is his map to show what he meant by Northen Somali



See where Lamberti put NordSomali in Garbahaaray? I don't see any Isaaq there.

2. As if his MAP wasn't enough to show you he DID NOT MEAN ISAAQ when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of the Somali language standard, Lamberti actually EXPLAINED HIMSELF in his first and most exhaustive book.

His 200+ page German-language chief scholarly book on the subject titled Die Somali-Dialekte from 1983 (what you posted is a smal English language primer of his 1983 book prepared for the 1986 Somali Language Conference)

In Page 31 of Die Somali-Dialekte which was the seminal work of Lamberti

To further spread these dialects in recent years, the choice of dialect of Mudug has contributed to the national language of the Democratic Republic of Somalia. It is this Daarood dialect that is the source of publications in the Somali language, be it textbooks or literary works. Also, the use of a koiné of these dialects as means of communication of mass media (radio and magazines, etc.) as well as of school operations has led each Somali to understand and speak these dialects, as well as a second mother tongue, even if his own Dialect belongs to another group. The dialects of this group are also the best studied to date and their interest in them has increased even more since they set the national language of the country. Many publications have appeared, especially on Is. In the study of this dialect,

3. It's embarrassing how your entire position was built on bad comprehension of phraseology LITERALLY only relevant to direction. .

Lamberti called the Common Somali tongue "Northern Somali" because everything north of Beled-Weyne came under it in comparison to Af Maay and Af Banaadiir who occupied south-central.

So when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali the word "northern" made you guys perk up.

Then when differentiating Northern Somali, he called the actually northern most region "proper North" (as in directionally proper) like how everything west of the Mississippi is the West to US East Coast but the 3 States of Oregon, Washington, and California are the proper West Coast.

It's literally bad comprehension and desperate intent because Lamberti HIMSELF explained just WHICH GROUP of "Northern Somali" he had in mind when he said that overall dialect is the base of standard Somali.

4. Why do you guys always come up with the ridiculous Gogo xaar.

Somali is a TONAL language. The entire gender/pitch/meaning/sound of a word changes based on tone.

Gogol xaar is not the same as "xaar". I literally pronounce them differently.

When saying Gogol "xaar," my tongue is literally stiff and flares at the wings near my molars. Also my tongue makes an indentation near the tip.

When saying the bathroom "xaar" my tongue is lazy and loose. 0 stress or stiffness.

Tone has many important uses in Somalia. For example it also makes gender sometimes. Look at the wors "inan"

I-nan with initial stressed tongue means boy
In-an with a very lazy and loose tongue means girl

5. No comment about what colonial writer said about any tribe bruhaha. How impressionable are you?

I can't count how many colonial writings I have read and the truth is it's the first tribe that gets to them that is their perspective on the people.

I have come across Marehan saying they don't give their girls to the Hawiye because they blow up the ass of their cows. Why would I need to bring that to anyone knowing ridiculous tribal prejudice was expressed?

6. Finally, please let this be a lesson to you. You guys have posted that embarrassing concoction literally everywhere when the Lamberti preempted you and explained exactly what he meant.

Next time do better research before embarrassing yourself.

I don’t think you’ve read Lambertis work. There’s a section in the report in which he explains the linguistic features of “Northern Somali” and in that chapter he states that the “Darod group” and “Lower Jubba group” deviate from ”Northern Somali in its proper sense”. He’s not using the phrase to describe geography. Ras Caseyr is further north than both Somaliland and Djibouti.

There’s also a map to highlight the difference within Northern Somali.

1. Northern Somali in its proper sense
2. Darod group (Mudug/Ogaden)
3. Lower Jubba



Lamberti made a correct observation. As a way to spread certain dialect the Kacaan junta chose the Mudug (Darod group variety) despite the eminent linguistic errors within this version of NSom.

There’s nothing tonal about the word xaar. It literally means feces. You can’t compare it to the Somali term for adolescent. There’s nothing feminine or masculine about the term ‘xaar’.

Btw, inan (masculine form, emphasis on the first vowel) while inan (feminine form, emphasis on the last consonant).

How do you explain the linguistic errors in terms such as; Gar = legal case, Gadh = beard. The Mudug version use Gar for both with the exact same pronunciation.

2nd example; Bar = teach, Badh = half. Again Bar is used for both with the same pronunciation.

3rd example; War = news, Wadh = to hang (as in cloths or meat etc). The Mudug (Darod group) use War for both with the same pronunciation etc

Another linguistic error within the Darod group (Mudug) is the tendency to add “h” to single words. This feature is mainly activated when using verbs. Examples:

1.Cunhayaa
2.Cabhayaa
3.Soconhayaa

Now compare it to “NSom in its proper sense”.

1. Cunaya
2. Cabaya
3. Soconaya

Cunaya becomes a compound word in the Mudug dialect. It sound almost like a real compound word like Beenhawaas (Been-hawaas).

Waxaad ku dartaa Lamberti only cited poets that spoke the Woqooyi dialect when describing NSOM, further reinforcing his statement about Woqooyi being the most proper (authentic) form of NSOM, none of this af-Mudug gudhuu:

"... the NSom. dialects supply the official language of the Somali Democratic Republic. The most famous and important poets of Somalia recited and composed their poetical works in NSom.; so for instance Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xasan, Muuse Xaaji Ismaaciil Galaal and so on."

Both Sayidka (raised in Cayn and Berbera) and Muuse Xaaji Ismaaciil Galaal (born and raised in Cayn) spoke the Woqooyi dialect.

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So what if they are not the national Language??? so are you saying Ogaden people are irrelevant because somali is not a national language in Ethiopia??

Somali is the state language of Somalia you silly boy there is no Beja, Afar, Saho states, and those languages are not the official languages of any state.

So what? wu native to the shanghai region of china is a language spoken there, it is not the national language which is Mandarin. I am sure if you ask them would you rather be a somali with a state and national language they would decline and stick with what they have.

you all over the place, free yourself from habesha domination before you start picking fight with your big bros, that is if you even are Saho, I have never met a Saho who disrespect Somalis.