DEVELOPING: Kenya told Turkey "for mediation, we are prepared to throw Madoobe out, meet Farmajo 100% on Jubbaland"

[skywalker25]

Caytame,

if we are being honest ogadeen have the least amount of land in wardheer/ doolo compared to the rest of the clans.

look at the map that Wadanigga supplied just from the towns and their location you can clearly see harti and in particular dhulbahante have the most land followed by marehan then majerteen and finally ogadeen.

why don't you take the map and color in the villages that are owned by ogadeen. and i will guarantee you ogadeen do not settle more then 15 percent of /wardheer/doolo zone.

The guy has the audacity to say that Makaahiil has more land in Doollo than Harti and Marehan. Marehan use to have more land than Makaahiil, but they have moved away throughout the decades, especially after the birth of the Somali nation in 1960. The formation of the new Somali nation convinced many Somalis that the Somali Galbeed region will forever be under the occupation of Ethiopia and Marehan didn't want to be under occupation.

Voltage's mask is falling, lol

What's the point being made here. Regardless what anyone says the Ogaden have the power in this region, for that reason they own everything.

One can arguing about the questionable methods they've used to accumulate that power. They can also point out, they have made the most sacrifice fighting the occupation the longest....

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

Caytame,

if we are being honest ogadeen have the least amount of land in wardheer/ doolo compared to the rest of the clans.

look at the map that Wadanigga supplied just from the towns and their location you can clearly see harti and in particular dhulbahante have the most land followed by marehan then majerteen and finally ogadeen.

why don't you take the map and color in the villages that are owned by ogadeen. and i will guarantee you ogadeen do not settle more then 15 percent of /wardheer/doolo zone.

The guy has the audacity to say that Makaahiil has more land in Doollo than Harti and Marehan. Marehan use to have more land than Makaahiil, but they have moved away throughout the decades, especially after the birth of the Somali nation in 1960. The formation of the new Somali nation convinced many Somalis that the Somali Galbeed region will forever be under the occupation of Ethiopia and Marehan didn't want to be under occupation.

Voltage's mask is falling, lol

What's the point being made here. Regardless what anyone says the Ogaden have the power in this region, for that reason they own everything.

One can arguing about the questionable methods they've used to accumulate that power. They can also point out, they have made the most sacrifice fighting the occupation the longest....

Yes, the Ogaden, the largest Daarod sub clan has the power in Somali Galbeed. Nobody is arguing that. I don't know where in my argument I have ever said Ogaden doesn't have power, influence and strength in Kililka Shanaad.

We were discussing Doollo region and how clans settle in Doollo region. We can discuss Jarar region if you're feeling left out.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Wadanig-

Caytame, unfortunately, is not a particularly intelligent man. I say this not to be meanspirited---but to be quite frank. I almost never point at anyone's intelligence given what it represents, but Caytame is an exception, and like this moment, have before been compelled to point this fact out---when, again, I rarely say that about anyone.

For example: If I just said this is the 1st time in more than 50 years the Marehan Ugaas is holding court or that Marehan just made peace with Ethiopia on Statehood after 80 year's of state of war---what makes a logical, intelligent person respond with political representation as a rational barometer for replying to a post describing political inequality/disenfrenchisement?

Also, I am not surprised he responded with political representation to begin with. You see, Somali Region even today sort of represents "occupied territory" --- understandably of course given what I just said about that 80 years hostilities since Ethiopia declared sovereignty over the area.

Occupied territory is about control; it is about reward and punishment. It is not about fairness; it is not about equality. It is about divide and conquer, bribe or starve; it is about capitulation or strangulation.

Do you see how Somalia has only had 1 single change in administrative unites---in 1972 and even the districts of 1991 are still acknowledged as largely appropriate and relevant 30 years later?

Look at Somali Region under the administration of Cabdi Iley---with the complete backing of the TPLF who gave him license to resources to enforce capitulation through nepotism or strangle through force; no less than 5X has Somali Region underwent complete map change and Cabdi Iley in particular oversaw the most corrupt, inefficient, and nepotistic bloated administrative organization you can ever think of.

He realized quickly the price for taking support from the ONLF in the Ogaden countryside was "wherever a bird shat in front of an Ogaden elder---name it a district."

It is always slightly amusing when I see primitive, 3rd world mindsets reference the concepts underpinning their subjectivity as "legitimizing."

Never the less, later I will response directly to some of his misunderstandings about Kaxandhaale and where Marehan lives in Doolo.

Guhaad used to be like him----until Marehan became engaged in the land and Guhaad found out just how extensively Marehan still lives in the land which political is administered as if Marehan doesn't even exist there entirely monopolized politically in his name.

It is completely a fictional, manufactured political environment which is why I say they milked an 80 year state of hostilities between Marehan and Ethiopia to their extreme advantage.

Well said.

What truly amazes me is the fact that the Ogaden want to implement the same ideological belief as the Isaaq. The so-called "The land doesn't move, the people do" rhetoric where they believe that every inch of the Ethiopian-occupied Somali region known as "Kililka Shanaad" or "Somali Galbeed" inherently belongs to Ogaden clan. I remember I once had a debate with an Ogaden individual and he said every village and town settled by Harti and Isaaq in Somali Galbeed belongs to Ogaden therefore those tribes will be forced out of those villages and relocated on the other side of the border (He meant they will be resettled in Somalia) . He said this with a straight face.

When someone thinks like that all you can do is laugh because your words will fall into deaf ears. Caytme claiming Wardheer and Danoot to be exclusive Makaahiil territories is laughable to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised if he claimed that there are ZERO Harti and Isaaq in Doollo region.

As for Marehan, it seems to me that Marehan has not only been neglected by everyone else, but Marehan has neglected themselves. It's like there has been major cold-war like situation between different Marehan sub clans for the past 100 years to the point that there was no collective mindset when it came to greater Marehan interest. Each clan didn't give a shit the greater good of Marehan. Marehan's mindset is very similar to Dhulmahante's mindset. There is no such thing as "Dhulmahantenimo" or greater Dhulmahante interest rather the sub-clan identity overweights more than the Dhulmahante identity and the same can be said for Marehan. There is no such thing as "Marehanimo." These two communities lack unity within themselves and I have been trying to understand why that is.

You don’t know the dynamics of Marehan tbh. The TPLF made sure that MXs stayed disunited for the last 30yrs. The last time MX were united was the civil war and we know what happened then. This is the first time in 30yrs MXs are on the same page. Once Marehan unites, the earth shakes. For our Dhulbahante brothers from what I heard and which I won’t reveal as it isn’t my place are undergoing their own internal mediation as well. This is a new era and generation that understands the failures of their elders.

[zidane88]

Mustafe cagjar appointed MJ governor for doollo in 2019
http://halganmedia.net/guddomiye-cusub- ... lka-doolo/

After much pressure from Makaahiil here's he appointed ina Suldaan cali seef, Makaahiil Abraahim, the landlords.


Hope that'll settle who's the boss.

An Ogaden president of DDSI names an Ogaden guy to the Governor position of Doollo. What a surprise? There are more Harti in Doollo than Ogaden. Doollo has 65% Harti, 30% Ogaden, 4% others and 1% Isaaq.

I was merly pointing out who has most the influence. I don't want to turn this into MJ vs OG topic. BTW are you one of the boons? State your number plate pls.

[Miscellaneous]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

So, you think for Ogaden, Puntland is far more of an enemy and a threat than Kenya?

I have said this in the past and I'll say it again. There is no Jubbaland without Ogaden and Marehan. The sooner these two clans work together and the better for both of them. If they want to compete, do it in the ballot box and not with an AK-47.

[Caytame]

You're jumping around from Marehan propaganda to MJ now? You're all over the place mate, calm down. Take a look at the link I shared in my previous post. It's a detailed map. Dhulos and MJ settle all the way to Wardheer town itself and Danoot town itself. Anywhere east of Wardheer town is settled by Dhulos and Majeerteen and anywhere towards east of Danoot is settled by Dhulos and Isaaq. Farhareeri village is north-east of Wardheer in between Wardheer and Danoot. It's a Dhulos village. Look how far Dhulos are away from the border. The same goes for Majeerteen. Doollo is the largest gobol, but it isn't predominately Ogaden. Doollo is predominately Harti. That's why the Jigjiga administrations didn't put any effort in building Doollo's infrastructure. Majority of the funds were being allocated to predominately or exclusively Ogaden gobols like Nogob, Qoraxeey, Shabelle, Afdheer, Fafan, Jarar, etc. Now, things are changing. The Harti in Doollo are speaking up and demanding accountability for the first time. The Marehan are doing the same thing. Heck, even the Hawiye who have been focused on Mogadishu for the past 30 years have turned their eyes towards Kililka Shanaad.

lol riyo maalmeed!
Wardheer belongs to not even makaahiil, but just Gumacadle. The RB governor ku xushmayn baa logu dhiibay the governor position, and when he tried some shit, you saw how quickly he was deposed. RB, Geri Koombe, Marehn(I am being too generous to include Marehan here lol) and dhulos and CM, share less than 30 percent of Doollo. Makaahiil lands extend well into Geladi but ogaden isn't uncultured enough to claim anything where we don't make a super majority.
You seem to be operating on information you got from snet and social media.
You're talking to the people who walked the land on foot a whole summer.

Caytme we can go back and forth on this. It will not do us any good. Let's agree to disagree. Just don't let me hear you say you will uproot the non-Ogaden clans from Doollo and back into Somalia.

Doolo has 7 degmo, 4 belong to makaahiil which is why they have the gudoomiye degmo of danot, daratoole, leheloow and wardheer as well as the governor of all of Doollo are makaahiil.
If you aren't convinced by that, idk what to tell you.
Doollo lagaa waraysan maayo adoo marehan ah. xuduuda geladi ku ekoow:lol:

[Miscellaneous]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

So, you think for Ogaden, Puntland is far more of an enemy and a threat than Kenya?

I have said this in the past and I'll say it again. There is no Jubbaland without Ogaden and Marehan. The sooner these two clans work together and the better for both of them. If they want to compete, do it in the ballot box and not with an AK-47.

No, I just think that we need to keep a very close eye on them. They are extremely devious; and, from what I could tell, they usually manipulate others into believing that they have close ties with them. But yeah, you are correct. JL would flourish immensely once we and MX come to an agreement of its settlements. The problem is with MX is that they think the entirety of JL belongs to them, and they are claiming parts of JL that never belong to them. That is all I have for MX. They just have to recognize their boundaries, and what belongs to them, and what does not.

[Caytame]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

lol
must be another one of voltage's many nicks.
No ogaden would ever say shit like this. The decision to take kismaayo was the best one that came out from ogaden elite circles since the 90s.
Many onlf members found a second home in kismaayo when they were being captured and sold off like xoolo all over somalia.
gtfoh!
kulahaa as ogaden, migaan sheegato.

[Miscellaneous]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

lol
must be another one of voltage's many nicks.
No ogaden would ever say shit like this. The decision to take kismaayo was the best one that came out from ogaden elite circles since the 90s.
Many onlf members found a second home in kismaayo when they were being captured and sold off like xoolo all over somalia.
gtfoh!
kulahaa as ogaden, migaan sheegato.

Hey, genius, I was just trying to add perspective, you know. Do you understand the reason why we were sold like xoolo? It was due to the disorganization of our tribe, moron. Our problem is that not all OGs are ONLF (pro-secession, variety of rights), and we have eeys who snitch on us; who also just happened to be within our circle. Yes, I do agree that Kismayo is our second home, and we can receive a beneficial things through it, but we wasted too much time and effort on it; let's be honest. Also, I do not like your pessimistic view on Galbeed. Do you think it ever had a chance to secede? I honestly did. But, due to (again) our lack of organization, it never happened. Had we spent half of our time determined on one thing (ONLF/WSLF), we would've reached our goals, and the situation right now would for easier/less tense.

Anyways, case in point: what I was advocating for, in a general sense, is a stronger, more united Ogaden. But now, due to our fatal mistakes, combined with our incompetence and shortsightedness, I no longer believe this could be the case anymore.

BTW, nowhere did I state that I did not support Madoobe. Of course I do, he's our last straw. I was just shedding some light on our reality, and how things should be played out.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

lol riyo maalmeed!
Wardheer belongs to not even makaahiil, but just Gumacadle. The RB governor ku xushmayn baa logu dhiibay the governor position, and when he tried some shit, you saw how quickly he was deposed. RB, Geri Koombe, Marehn(I am being too generous to include Marehan here lol) and dhulos and CM, share less than 30 percent of Doollo. Makaahiil lands extend well into Geladi but ogaden isn't uncultured enough to claim anything where we don't make a super majority.
You seem to be operating on information you got from snet and social media.
You're talking to the people who walked the land on foot a whole summer.

Caytme we can go back and forth on this. It will not do us any good. Let's agree to disagree. Just don't let me hear you say you will uproot the non-Ogaden clans from Doollo and back into Somalia.

Doolo has 7 degmo, 4 belong to makaahiil which is why they have the gudoomiye degmo of danot, daratoole, leheloow and wardheer as well as the governor of all of Doollo are makaahiil.
If you aren't convinced by that, idk what to tell you.
Doollo lagaa waraysan maayo adoo marehan ah. xuduuda geladi ku ekoow:lol:

When did I ever said I was Marehan? Do you assume anyone who argues with you must automatically be Marehan? Your deep-seated hatred for Marehan is quite astonishing. Don't let the politics between Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe get to you. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe eating from the same plate one of these days.

[Caytame]

Caytme we can go back and forth on this. It will not do us any good. Let's agree to disagree. Just don't let me hear you say you will uproot the non-Ogaden clans from Doollo and back into Somalia.

Doolo has 7 degmo, 4 belong to makaahiil which is why they have the gudoomiye degmo of danot, daratoole, leheloow and wardheer as well as the governor of all of Doollo are makaahiil.
If you aren't convinced by that, idk what to tell you.
Doollo lagaa waraysan maayo adoo marehan ah. xuduuda geladi ku ekoow:lol:

When did I ever said I was Marehan? Do you assume anyone who argues with you must automatically be Marehan? Your deep-seated hatred for Marehan is quite astonishing. Don't let the politics between Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe get to you. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe eating from the same plate one of these days.

waxaan ogaden ahaynba waan ku kaaja.
how's that for a response?

[Caytame]

Lol. I, for one, think the decision of capturing Kismayo and eventually taking over Jubbaland was a rather premature one, and it signified our loss (Ogaden) as a tribe. Over the years, I realized how disorganized we are as a tribe, and how we hastily run towards opportunities instead waiting, analyzing, and taking many aspects into part. You see, you must realize that, if we played our cards correctly, whether MX or other tribes likes or not, JL will always be backyard; and certainly not one we apply all of our strength and power towards to. I know may receive lots of back-lash here for saying this, but I always have a certain depressive feeling when think about Madoobe and the situation in JL; a part of sorts dies, in a sense. What I mean is, even if situation fully stabilizes, and JL is completely (our parts, at least) is out of MX hands, do you honestly believe everything will be sunshine and rainbows? Do you really believe that the Kenyans and the hyenas from NE will accept full OG hegemony? This is what makes feel increasingly apprehensive day by day. We are, essentially, working as a colony for Kenya; or, at worst, PL. Now, before you all jump at me with your forks and knives, think about it for a second... Do we really have a strong footing in JL? I mean, we do, but where are going to go; if, say, we are chased out? Have you ever thought about that hypothetical? We have (foolishly) sacrificed all of our potential in Galbeed/Ogadenia, just to occupy a small town and patches of land.

lol
must be another one of voltage's many nicks.
No ogaden would ever say shit like this. The decision to take kismaayo was the best one that came out from ogaden elite circles since the 90s.
Many onlf members found a second home in kismaayo when they were being captured and sold off like xoolo all over somalia.
gtfoh!
kulahaa as ogaden, migaan sheegato.

Hey, genius, I was just trying to add perspective, you know. Do you understand the reason why we were sold like xoolo? It was due to the disorganization of our tribe, moron. Our problem is that not all OGs are ONLF (pro-secession, variety of rights), and we have eeys who snitch on us; who also just happened to be within our circle. Yes, I do agree that Kismayo is our second home, and we can receive a beneficial things through it, but we wasted too much time and effort on it; let's be honest. Also, I do not like your pessimistic view on Galbeed. Do you think it ever had a chance to secede? I honestly did. But, due to (again) our lack of organization, it never happened. Had we spent half of our time determined on one thing (ONLF/WSLF), we would've reached our goals, and the situation right now would for easier/less tense.

Anyways, case in point: what I was advocating for, in a general sense, is a stronger, more united Ogaden. But now, due to our fatal mistakes, combined with our incompetence and shortsightedness, I no longer believe this could be the case anymore.

BTW, nowhere did I state that I did not support Madoobe. Of course I do, he's our last straw. I was just shedding some light on our reality, and how things should be played out.

waryaa go claim your people midgaan yahoow and quit claiming ogaden.
perspectivekaaguna waa la wasaa.

let me remind you something, ogaden are united in JL, and in Galbeed.

Long live Madoobe. Keep hating on him and then claim ogaden xooloow.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

Doolo has 7 degmo, 4 belong to makaahiil which is why they have the gudoomiye degmo of danot, daratoole, leheloow and wardheer as well as the governor of all of Doollo are makaahiil.
If you aren't convinced by that, idk what to tell you.
Doollo lagaa waraysan maayo adoo marehan ah. xuduuda geladi ku ekoow:lol:

When did I ever said I was Marehan? Do you assume anyone who argues with you must automatically be Marehan? Your deep-seated hatred for Marehan is quite astonishing. Don't let the politics between Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe get to you. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe eating from the same plate one of these days.

waxaan ogaden ahaynba waan ku kaaja.
how's that for a response?

If I was claiming Ogaden and I wasn't Ogaden, it's exactly what I would've said. Keep up the great war of online instigation, may you reap what you sow.

[Miscellaneous]

lol
must be another one of voltage's many nicks.
No ogaden would ever say shit like this. The decision to take kismaayo was the best one that came out from ogaden elite circles since the 90s.
Many onlf members found a second home in kismaayo when they were being captured and sold off like xoolo all over somalia.
gtfoh!
kulahaa as ogaden, migaan sheegato.

Hey, genius, I was just trying to add perspective, you know. Do you understand the reason why we were sold like xoolo? It was due to the disorganization of our tribe, moron. Our problem is that not all OGs are ONLF (pro-secession, variety of rights), and we have eeys who snitch on us; who also just happened to be within our circle. Yes, I do agree that Kismayo is our second home, and we can receive a beneficial things through it, but we wasted too much time and effort on it; let's be honest. Also, I do not like your pessimistic view on Galbeed. Do you think it ever had a chance to secede? I honestly did. But, due to (again) our lack of organization, it never happened. Had we spent half of our time determined on one thing (ONLF/WSLF), we would've reached our goals, and the situation right now would for easier/less tense.

Anyways, case in point: what I was advocating for, in a general sense, is a stronger, more united Ogaden. But now, due to our fatal mistakes, combined with our incompetence and shortsightedness, I no longer believe this could be the case anymore.

BTW, nowhere did I state that I did not support Madoobe. Of course I do, he's our last straw. I was just shedding some light on our reality, and how things should be played out.

waryaa go claim your people midgaan yahoow and quit claiming ogaden.
perspectivekaaguna waa la wasaa.

let me remind you something, ogaden are united in JL, and in Galbeed.

Long live Madoobe. Keep hating on him and then claim ogaden xooloow.

Are you okay? Where did I state that I did not support Madoobe? Can't you read? Anyways, you claimed that we are united, can you bring forth evidence of that? Even my sub-clan - if I must concede - lost major city to ilkayar; baardheere, to be exact. I firmly support Madoobe, only if he treads cautiously, and understands the importance of the unity of the OG tribe; and, also, the dangers that he potentially faces.

Anyways bro, fyi, I am Cawlyahan reer Afwaah Reer Osman Khair... Call me sheegato all you want, but this is my personal view of how things are turning.