If Farmaajo treats Janan any differently than Abu Mansuur, I'm OUT, I'M OUT, I'M OUT.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Inadeer I hate to be a harbinger of good news but I think it’s done don’t get your hopes up ain’t nobody going to jail. Expect to see Janaan sipping shah in Xamar soon, laughing. Then maybe go to Turkey.


Now me Murax speaking I want that nicca dead, but who am I?

Him being out of Jubaland is in our interest. This liberal nigga is too soft bro. This is grown man politics not some seminar. We have to negotiate with the old generation (some arrest, some kill, and some give plea deals). So the new generation can come in. It’s the natural way of life bro.

I am going to block this ignorant, backward, flip flipping dude. Two focking seconds ago, his position changed 3 times based on Twitter reporting.

Before I block---I just erased a whole bunch of angry words, because I don't want to insult, I want to actually be conscious that I relayed my observations to you;

1. All you think about is your sub-clan.
2. Even when it is about Marehan interest, it is always as 3. Vehicle for what it does for your sub-clan primarily.
4. You don't have a strong value system.
5. You are a follower.
6. It is even more apparent because you are unrooted to any principle, even Marehan.
7. My advice is you need to find what you believe in----you cannot understand a principled position if you are transactional and wishy washy with everything.

This is not even me trying to insult you.

You literally changed your opinion on this single issur 5X today based on what was being reported so you can be on "the right side" or what side you judged Farmaajo's agents would come down on.

That is not a principled man.

That is everything we are taught to reject in who we want as a leader.

Wallahi dude, Grandpa is the person farthest on this issue from me---but look at the dude, he hasn't changed anything based on "popularity" or how it seems.

Saddam, what you insult about me is affirmed, reinforced, and reflected Value System.

It is what I believe.

What do you believe???

And if you think you believe in "Marehan"---Marehan is not an ideology.

And if you think Marehan interest is reflected in those calool kuus backward civil war focks raising Janan's hand in front of the mothers and kids he victimized----

----I won't even argue opposing opinion or paint you a clear picture from how predictable it is----


I will just say, GOOD FOR YOU. You hold on to your Marehanimo---or your juffo-juffaysinimo that way.


Wassalam.

Now I am going to put you on block because the ENTITLEMENT you expressed to dare admonish me for schit I CHOSE to have as my value system---wallahi billahi indha adeegeda baffles. Good bye dude.

Bye nigga this is my war anyways. You failed with Barre Hiiraale and JVA anyways. It’s my turn.

[Murax]

Saddam, Voltage Inadeeryaal enough heshiya

[Nomand]

Nomand,

Excellent point on the Al Shaydaan angle you are 100% right. If Roobow, Daahir Aweis surrender meant surrender of terror groups in Somalia, or at least weakening it then you can justify a ‘plea deal’. But how can you justify a plea deal when you have nothing to offer? Roobow, Daahir Aweis they had literally nothing to contribute as far as weakening Al Shaydaan by defecting, and Al Shaydaan didn’t miss a beat. Janaan’s surrender means the Kenyan proxy front from Gedo is over, along with the surrender of Cabaas.


Sbashi,

Indeed Alhamdulilah it’s over.

Indeed bro now kids in beledxaawo can sleep at night without worrying about being attacked from kenya.

[SultanOrder]

ReturnOfMariixmaan,

In yar udulqaad walalkeen, as soon as he sees the many benefits to come from this and the feelings of reer Gedo he will come around 100%.

Yes, for the sake of progress and peace you have to overlook many atrocities, it is the reality of this world. Today was a good day for peace, what other governance or principles do we need if we have that?

[Shirib]

Mareehaan stay winning

It's only Digil y Mirifle who are pathetic enough to let their guy be arrested.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

ReturnOfMariixmaan,

In yar udulqaad walalkeen, as soon as he sees the many benefits to come from this and the feelings of reer Gedo he will come around 100%.

Yes, for the sake of progress and peace you have to overlook many atrocities, it is the reality of this world. Today was a good day for peace, what other governance or principles do we need if we have that?

I agree bro. I always respected his opinion but on this he is wrong imo in the most respectful way. I see where he is coming from in regards to his humanist values. My values are zero sum realpolitik. He’s my Idajaa. He taught me a lot. But now it’s my turn to take what he taught me and translate it to a new generation.

[Murax]

This is the biggest difference between the Eastern and Western worlds. Western world the rights of the individual supersedes the overall plus/minus benefit of the society.

The Eastern world which includes Africa, Middle East, India, Russia, China it’s less the rights of the individuals, more the overall societal benefit. Arabs call it ‘Awlawiya’ which means precedence first, or ‘Danta Guud’ in Somali. Case in point example Janaan. Western rules would mean ensuring the rights of the families he mercilessly killed. Eastern world rules, it is Farmaajo saying let me use him to bolster the Government, which might lead to stabilization that will make the lives of Somalis improve.

I remember seeing videos of Reer Axmed Odayaal saying Farmaajo doesn’t touch Reer Diini politicians but does ours. What if Farmaajo is thinking let me win the confidence of a important clan? Who knows why, but again it is Eastern Culture Danta Guud!

[Murax]

Mareehaan stay winning

It's only Digil y Mirifle who are pathetic enough to let their guy be arrested.

Fadaise welcome back!!


I said earlier why I thought it’s different but, I don’t blame you for not buying it

[Sbashi]

The government has got shit on their hands. I'm still baffled by this hypocrisy of foreigners. Not a single peep when Janan was killing people in Beledxaawo for a decade. Zero pressure to Jubbaland and Madoobe who ordered him to do this. 0 calling out of Madoobe, yet now they call out the government when he stopped and asked to be forgiven? Everyday they publish NONSENSE about agreeing with Madoobe. These guys can fuck off.

I'm now watching what Farmaajo does, and all of somalia is watching him closely. All somali clans. ARE.WATCHING.HIM. I understand Farmaajo's point of view in that Janan surrendered with a plea deal. So now he isn't charged. But other somalis won't take it this way, and if janan isn't house arrested at the least it's over for farmaajo's career. Everything he built for nothing.

[Sbashi]

This is the biggest difference between the Eastern and Western worlds. Western world the rights of the individual supersedes the overall plus/minus benefit of the society.

The Eastern world which includes Africa, Middle East, India, Russia, China it’s less the rights of the individuals, more the overall societal benefit. Arabs call it ‘Awlawiya’ which means precedence first, or ‘Danta Guud’ in Somali. Case in point example Janaan. Western rules would mean ensuring the rights of the families he mercilessly killed. Eastern world rules, it is Farmaajo saying let me use him to bolster the Government, which might lead to stabilization that will make the lives of Somalis improve.

I remember seeing videos of Reer Axmed Odayaal saying Farmaajo doesn’t touch Reer Diini politicians but does ours. What if Farmaajo is thinking let me win the confidence of a important clan? Who knows why, but again it is Eastern Culture Danta Guud!

Murax, I tried to see both viewpoints. And I have to say what Gubbet is talking about is bigger than sub-clannism. What Reer Ahmed think or even marehan as a whole it's bigger than that. Marehan is NOT important enough to warrant a special treatment. No one cares about their confidence. There is a plea deal but farmaajo should find some other crime to arrest him for. Otherwise, Farmaajo is another qabilist trash. It would call into question why his clan is the only one to walk free. Is Farmaajo's clan better than other clans? I've heard rumors that Janan will be sent to Turkey I hope that to be the case.

[BigBreak]

Hassan Aweys and Robow are not secular unlike Janan which is why the IC (West) wouldn't mind as much if Janan got off lightly. Would you agree with this theory Sahal

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This is the biggest difference between the Eastern and Western worlds. Western world the rights of the individual supersedes the overall plus/minus benefit of the society.

The Eastern world which includes Africa, Middle East, India, Russia, China it’s less the rights of the individuals, more the overall societal benefit. Arabs call it ‘Awlawiya’ which means precedence first, or ‘Danta Guud’ in Somali. Case in point example Janaan. Western rules would mean ensuring the rights of the families he mercilessly killed. Eastern world rules, it is Farmaajo saying let me use him to bolster the Government, which might lead to stabilization that will make the lives of Somalis improve.

I remember seeing videos of Reer Axmed Odayaal saying Farmaajo doesn’t touch Reer Diini politicians but does ours. What if Farmaajo is thinking let me win the confidence of a important clan? Who knows why, but again it is Eastern Culture Danta Guud!

Murax, I tried to see both viewpoints. And I have to say what Gubbet is talking about is bigger than sub-clannism. What Reer Ahmed think or even marehan as a whole it's bigger than that. Marehan is NOT important enough to warrant a special treatment. No one cares about their confidence. There is a plea deal but farmaajo should find some other crime to arrest him for. Otherwise, Farmaajo is another qabilist trash. It would call into question why his clan is the only one to walk free. Is Farmaajo's clan better than other clans? I've heard rumors that Janan will be sent to Turkey I hope that to be the case.

Sax. This has the potential to destroy his image.

[Murax]

Sbashi,

Just like you I see both view points, and it’s kind of fascinating to see what will happen. Farmaajo is petrified of ever coming across as ‘Qabiliste’ so logic would say Janaan is heading straight to the penitentiary. On the flip side I just have a gut feeling that is not going to happen. Even if Farmaajo does what you said, the Gov still does look shady as not honoring an agreement for terms of surrender. Maybe people would take note, and say don’t ever negotiate with the FGS again. Lastly I know people will always notice qabil, but what was said earlier was true. Roobow,Aweis were fugitives while Janaan was someone with a full blown militia, dozens of Tikneko, and another figure in Cabas that will surrender. Kind of apples and oranges. Again me personally I favor execution, but we have to admit there are multiple angles to this.

[Shirib]

Mareehaan stay winning

It's only Digil y Mirifle who are pathetic enough to let their guy be arrested.

Fadaise welcome back!!


I said earlier why I thought it’s different but, I don’t blame you for not buying it

Roobow's arrest is nothing short of a coup by Farmaajo. Only reason Roobow was arrested for was cause he ran for the KG seat. While he was arrested Zakariye Hersi was a high level official in NISA.

Like I said Marehaan stay winning

[Murax]

Who is Zakariye Hersi? In any event the truth is if roles were reversed it’s true MX here would have gone so ape SNET would have gone down. I’m going to recuse myself, not even try to defend it. But regardless Farmaajo doesn’t give a damn about MX but sees something in Janaan he feels he can exploit for re-election. That said you, and EVERYONE have every right to view it as qabilism, and it would be a 100% fair, valid criticism. Farmaajo will just have to own that criticism.