The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

[GameChanger]

Calm down guys.. Everyone was kafir at one point and everyone had to start somewhere and these it has reached first had to spread it to the others and as they say whenever someone becomes Muslim everything that came before doesn't count and that is the same for these who assilimated their new geneology line should stand because if you look deep at the bigger picture they did it out of a noble cause. Just know whether it happened or not the Somali nation will forever be indebt to you

[Gubbet]

And also, I apologize if my tone was "harsh" Ghiklo.

And for the interest of full disclosure, I always identify E-Y163949 as the "Darood implicating clad" or "the clad where many Darods have come under" because I am not interested in and nor even believe there is "exclusivity" here.

Coming or not coming under that clad has no relevance or bearing to what is "Darod" just like not being T or E-V32 has no relevance or bearing to what is "Isaaq."

I only use the above terms as "reference" points.

[Ghiklo]

Do you understand how to read? I don't think you do or pretending not to comprehend.

Reread what I wrote and something relevant.

For people who do not understand;

He got an individual which even in anthrogenica is confirmed to be "Garre" and is making the conjuncture to "Mareexaan" because they are from CEEL-WAAQ IN "GEDO." [This was responding to a part of his post which has since been edited.]

This is their MOD---"poisoning the well" and all targeted at "Marehan" because "Garowe" doesn't show up in the clad where many Darods have congregated;

The "Darod" clad >>>https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y163949/

Wherein there is a clad which ALL the confirmed Marehan tests [with my very person "confirming" one of the testors who is Marehan/Rer Axmed from Dollow, Gedo] have come under which forms a part of the Darod implicating clad;

The "Marehan" clad within the "Darod" clad >>> https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y272428/

The only other "confirmed" test which can be tied to "Marehan" is the Hawlraarsame claimant with an asterisk (*) next to his name in which, ONCE MORE, there is an "asterisk" (*) meaning the SPP is disclosing that the individual HIMSELF has disclosed that he is "claiming" MX/Hawlrarsame "publicly" an identity which he does not claim privately and is from artisanal background;

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FTA76226/

Why is this boy even saying they are Marehan or even Hawlrarsame when the individual SELF-IDENTIFIED that they are CLAIMING it publicly and do NOT even consider or identify as such privately? This is not "I truly subscribe or believe this is my identity." This is literally "I am something and that other is what I say I am outside."

Which still in the interest of accuracy, if you look at the actual tree, is not even an "Oromo" clad, it is an archaic "Cushitic" speaking clad from NFD-Liban implicating Garre, Degoodiye, Gurre, etc. Even his use of "Kenyan Borana" is mischaracterization as there are wide variety of Mandera Triangle Somali-speaking groups.

There is a weird obsession and motive/interest here which I would not even "rule out" would attempt to engineer "spoiling" and even fraudulent/foul play sending in tests subscribing to false clan backgrounds. Having followed these discussions on various platforms including the fact some have already spent "thousands" of dollars on "clan" predicated motivations for intentions subsidizin "other" tests----you can be absolutely sure the level of resentment already expressed about the "Darod" implications of E-Y163949 and what it has shown so far is more enough to activate explicit "foul" play.

For the amount of your contribution on this board as "Ghiklo" devoted to these genetic tests and "NEGATIVE" engineering of clan implicated contentions---just yesterday chastising you for creating negativity within the Isaaq clan--- you know damn well you are not implicated in genetic discussions for positivity.

You just happened to pick on the wrong target this time:--

All you have proved here is your insecurity. You could have just corrected me and moved on. Once I showed you a video in that Isaaq thread of people fully identifying with newly discovered subclades, you immediately left the thread. I was not lying about anything in that Isaaq thread.


id: YF095342 is also from Gedo btw. How do you explain his results? Believe me, if I wanted to insult your clan you would know by now.

[Gubbet]

I left that topic because I considered having clarified the matter as I consider it clarified in this matter. I am not here for internet drama.

And also, you are correct I should have just corrected you and moved on, but the response I gave you is what they all needed to see since I know they will read it. Yes, someone, and probably not the only one, has observed a pattern whether you are aware or not. Be better.

[Ghiklo]

I left that topic because I considered having clarified the matter as I consider it clarified in this matter. I am not here for internet drama.

And also, you are correct I should have just corrected you and moved on, but the response I gave you is what they all needed to see since I know they will read it. Yes, someone, and probably not the only one, has observed a pattern whether you are aware or not. Be better.

What is your problem?

[Sbashi]

There is a weird obsession and motive/interest here which I would not even "rule out" would attempt to engineer "spoiling" and even fraudulent/foul play sending in tests subscribing to false clan backgrounds. Having followed these discussions on various platforms including the fact some have already spent "thousands" of dollars on "clan" predicated motivations for intentions subsidizin "other" tests----you can be absolutely sure the level of resentment already expressed about the "Darod" implications of E-Y163949 and what it purports to mean is more than enough to activate desire for explicit "foul" play.

Yep, this is clearly happening if it didn't happen. I also thought this was the case from the moment i saw why they were so interested in these tests. Some results from their group might not even be uploaded. And I do think they would do foul play because they hate other clans even if darood was not a E-Y163949 majority. Cuqdad is really a mental disease.

[Sbashi]

I left that topic because I considered having clarified the matter as I consider it clarified in this matter. I am not here for internet drama.

And also, you are correct I should have just corrected you and moved on, but the response I gave you is what they all needed to see since I know they will read it. Yes, someone, and probably not the only one, has observed a pattern whether you are aware or not. Be better.

What is your problem?

I don't know but i do get kees vibes from you

[Ghiklo]

There is a weird obsession and motive/interest here which I would not even "rule out" would attempt to engineer "spoiling" and even fraudulent/foul play sending in tests subscribing to false clan backgrounds. Having followed these discussions on various platforms including the fact some have already spent "thousands" of dollars on "clan" predicated motivations for intentions subsidizin "other" tests----you can be absolutely sure the level of resentment already expressed about the "Darod" implications of E-Y163949 and what it purports to mean is more than enough to activate desire for explicit "foul" play.

Yep, this is clearly happening if it didn't happen. I also thought this was the case from the moment i saw why they were so interested in these tests. Some results from their group might not even be uploaded. And I do think they would do foul play because they hate other clans even if darood was not a E-Y163949 majority. Cuqdad is really a mental disease.

When your bro was getting all personal and basically calling my clan fake Daaroods, did I cry cuqdad? Dfkm, he even called me a boy. There are plenty of non-MJs on Anthrogenica who commented on that Garre/ Hawrarsame guy's results. I just missed the posts where a MX guy cleared it up.

This is what I mean by insecurity. Again, if I wanted to insult you guys, I could go a lot harder. A Gabooye claiming Dhulbahante woman runs the SDP project.

[Gubbet]

When your bro was getting all personal and basically calling my clan fake Daaroods, did I cry cuqdad?

Sbashi, get a load of this. This is classic "hashii geela cuntay hadane cabaaday."

I will let the discussion speak for itself.

[Ghiklo]

I left that topic because I considered having clarified the matter as I consider it clarified in this matter. I am not here for internet drama.

And also, you are correct I should have just corrected you and moved on, but the response I gave you is what they all needed to see since I know they will read it. Yes, someone, and probably not the only one, has observed a pattern whether you are aware or not. Be better.

What is your problem?

I don't know but i do get kees vibes from you

Be honest how many pages did you dedicate to me in your MX GC?

Jokes aside our writing styles aren't remotely similar. I don't see how you could come to that conclusion.

[Sbashi]

There is a weird obsession and motive/interest here which I would not even "rule out" would attempt to engineer "spoiling" and even fraudulent/foul play sending in tests subscribing to false clan backgrounds. Having followed these discussions on various platforms including the fact some have already spent "thousands" of dollars on "clan" predicated motivations for intentions subsidizin "other" tests----you can be absolutely sure the level of resentment already expressed about the "Darod" implications of E-Y163949 and what it purports to mean is more than enough to activate desire for explicit "foul" play.

Yep, this is clearly happening if it didn't happen. I also thought this was the case from the moment i saw why they were so interested in these tests. Some results from their group might not even be uploaded. And I do think they would do foul play because they hate other clans even if darood was not a E-Y163949 majority. Cuqdad is really a mental disease.

When your bro was getting all personal and basically calling my clan fake Daaroods, did I cry cuqdad? Dfkm, he even called me a boy. There are plenty of non-MJs on Anthrogenica who commented on that Garre/ Hawrarsame guy's results. I just missed the posts where a MX guy cleared it up.

This is what I mean by insecurity. Again, if I wanted to insult you guys, I could go a lot harder. A Gabooye claiming Dhulbahante woman runs the SDP project.

Dude please spare us. No one called your clan fake darood. Gubbet even explained that darood is real and exists and we can't claim someone is not darood because his sub-clade is different. Same for isaaq in previous topic.
Besides, you're the one who out of nowhere claimed mx are 5% oromo which again the sub-clade of the guy is not even oromo. If you don't have your facts right don't make wild claims. What you're doing is using your subclade to exclude others who don't have it from the darood name even claiming they incorporated oromo. That's not nice now, is it?

We don't really care if you insult mx more or make entire threads but misinformation and wild claims will get fact-checked.

[Gubbet]

Dude please spare us. No one called your clan fake darood. Gubbet even explained that darood is real and exists and we can't claim someone is not darood because his sub-clade is different. Same for isaaq in previous topic.
Besides, you're the one who out of nowhere claimed mx are 5% oromo which again the sub-clade of the guy is not even oromo. If you don't have your facts right don't make wild claims. What you're doing is using your subclade to exclude others who don't have it from the darood name even claiming they incorporated oromo. That's not nice now, is it?

We don't really care if you insult mx more or make entire threads but misinformation and wild claims will get fact-checked.

HOW DO YOU DO IT?

Wallahi, I won't lie, this is far from the first or only time I have seen you so directly, unambiguously, and unmistakeably clarify something in such a down to earth, no nonsense tone every hick, tom, and Jerry couldn't fail to understand no matter what.

I am going to have to read up more on "effective communication," because I seem to be failing these days.

Ghiklo, nobody dislikes you or said anything about your clan. You are always the one attacking everyone else's clan. It is possible you may not even be aware of this so my advice is-----, everything Sbashi said.

[Murax]

E-V32 has no relevance or bearing to what is "Isaaq."

I only use the above terms as "reference" points.

Gubbet,

Who has been getting E-V32 the most from your observations clan wise?

[nine]

E-V32 has no relevance or bearing to what is "Isaaq."

I only use the above terms as "reference" points.

Gubbet,

Who has been getting E-V32 the most from your observations clan wise?

E-V32 is most common in Hawiye and Darood. But some Isaaqs have haplogroup T and some haplogroup E-V32 depending on which Isaaq they are.

[Gubbet]

Murax, the information is available in the anthrogenica site and some on the Somalispot history sections.

I don't want to implicate any clan to any whatsoever genetic test if I am not them. I will defer to others.

I will say T, Ev32, and J have shown up in every single major clan---Dir, Darod, Isaaq, Hawiye, Digil and Mirifle, Samaale groups, etc.

Every single one of those clans has had them show up although not in the same proportions.

Regarding the anthrogenica site, after reading couple pages they force you to "log in." If like me you just want to browse and not sign up, browse it through translate.google.com using the url. You will circumvent having to log in to read.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=fr&tl=en&op=websites