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^^ well said Ma'shallah, hope thats the conclusion to this topic..>>>>

Gamadiid

"two things will count as evidence: A- The Quran and B- The authentic Sayinfs of the Prophet."

So you are smarter and knowledgeable than Hassan Turabi.

Muslim men have been given a clear signal to marry people of the Book;

Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma'idah) Verse : 5

"...And lawful for you are chaste believing women and chaste women from among those who were given the Book before you, when you give them their dowries, contracting valid marriage and not committing fornication, nor taking secret paramours..."

Are you saying the People of the Book don't exist, or is it only when it suits Muslim men to marry them?

The Rightly guided Muslim man bring any evidence of the above (Qura'an and hadith) that says Muslims women can't marry people of the book. and if you can't then you will be demoted as the mostly big mouthed idiot in this place, as some fallible human may have crowned you as a Rightly guided Man.

I will be back to this post with great interest to disect what you wrote above mr Rightly guided man.

Hasan Turabi is no prophet mohamed and the ruling of a muslim woman not being marriable by a nonmuslim person is given in chapter Baqra's verse.



It is easily stablished in islam that christians and Jews who disbelived in God and rejected the message of islam were polytheists for if they were monotheistic people and had interest in it, they would have found the islamic message agreeing word for word with what they inherited from their prophets and were supposed to follow. To this effect, we read from the Quran:

Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [221] And do not marry Al-Mushrikat (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress, etc.), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikun till they believe (in Allah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater, etc.), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikun) invite you to the Fire, but Allah invites (you) to Paradise and Forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember. "


At any rate, LAWS26, We should not dilute islam like the Jewish scholars had diluted their religion and sold it piece by piece to satisfy their herd.

You can write what you want and even quote your sources which i know about anyway, however, I suggest you be careful about what you say as this is not a simple personal opinion and you will be accountable to God for anyone who gets misguided because of what you write.

I have no more time for this BULL-SHIT.

Gamadiid

I know hasan Turabi is a fallible human like us but if Allah SWT didn't not ban in the Qura'an and neither is there any Hadith, how then did you come to your conclussion. Another man told you and i have given you the historical basis of it. I'm not advocating girls to go and marry non-Muslim, I'm merely stating my opinion based on a fact that neither the Qura'an nor any hadith commented about the subject.

The ayat you presented was intended for Pagans. If you have decency to check with the Arabic Qura’an, the words used by Allah SWT are Momin (Believer) and Momineen/Mominun (Believers). These words are used for only those people who believed that the Qura’an is Revelation from Allah SWT. Of course the Qura'an confirms that the Revelation of Torah and Injeel were also from Allah SWT. And this shuld be accepted/believed by every Momin (Believer).

Just food for thought, I will part with you those ayats where Allah SWT reminded us again and again in different surah's about People of the Book.

2.62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

5.69 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

22.17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God is witness of all things

A muslim can marry the chaste women from the people of the book but muslim women cannot marry any non-muslim man . The main reason for this rule is that Allah who is the supreme lagislator permitted muslim men to chaste women from the people of the book and prohibited muslim women to marry Non-muslim be he a Jew , a christian or any other disbliever , No one has any right to object on the rule of Allah the Lord of all creatures .

A muslim believes in all Messengers and Prophets of Allah. He cannot be a muslim unless he believes all Massengers of Allah . Among those massengers are Moses and Jesus .

Thus it is permissible for him to marry a Jews or Christian chaste women since he respects her right to her religion and believes in her Prophet and he also knows that if he degrades them by any way or means he no longer is considered a believing Muslim .

Moreover ,A Muslim husband is commanded to be kind to his wife from the People of the book . He also has to treat her with good manners , Not force her to embrace Islam .and she is entitle to same right that are due to a Muslim wife . From the above-mention facts . A muslim man is allowed to marry a Jews or a christian chaste woman while a muslim woman is not allowed to marry a Non-muslim .

The husband most of the time is the one who takes care of the wife and provides for her needs , So how could it be possible to permit a Muslim woman to be under Non-muslim who denies her religion and makes jokes of her Prophet ? So , Only if the man believes in Islam and The Prophet Muhammad , sallallahu alayhi wa sallam .He can than marry a Muslim woman .


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Law26, Those whom the verses have referred to from these communities were the ones who stayed on the course and never got lost, and those jews and christians and non christians who followed the prophet. In fact, the prophet told us that they will be rewarded DOUBLE for their following of their own prophets and prophet mohamed as well.

Saxib, Let us not confuse issues and use the verses of the Quran out of their contexts to make for oursleves legal what is not legal.


Without proper contextualization of the Quranic verses, you will end up with contradictions. It is like taking one verse and making it contradict another one when they don't contradict.

If on one end the Quran teaches that the jews have rejected the book of God, theirs and the Quran, and they killed the prophets of God and some they chased out of their communities, and on the other end the Quran says they are believers, Don't you THINK WE HAVE A CONTRADICTION?

Those communities were spearated into believers who followed what they were supposed to and disbelievers who rejected everything and twisted their books. This is what the Quranic verses talk about respectively without contradiction.

Let us not sell islam to crowds who are not interested. Our objective should not be making islam appealing to anyone because islam is an open religion to anyone interested already.

5:68 Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.

Gamadiid

“Saxib, Let us not confuse issues and use the verses of the Quran out of their contexts to make for oursleves legal what is not legal.”

This is from the original post: Hasan Turabi.

"I could not find in the Quran or the Sunna a single word preventing a Muslim woman from marrying a Christian or Jew" he said.

"So I came to the opinion that they should let her convert and prove her faith. Often she would bring to Islam her husband and those around him and so on," he added.

The argument here is clear as said by Turabi. There is not a single verse in the Qura’an or hadith that mentions the banning of a Muslim woman marrying people of the book. No mention in the Qura'an and no hadith, did you ever ask yourself where this ruling came from? Did you know how scholars reach consensus among issues like this? Well many claim Turabi to be a scholar and reached a reasoning based on his own understanding. So do you, as rightly guided bloke, live with it.

Hasan Turabi is as misguided as you are on this issue. Come with something more credible or save us from the hypocrisy and the practice of jewish Scholars.

You were an advocate for unislamic beliefs to begin with, so your obsession with a fallible man like Hassan Turabi's misguided utterances is just a continuation of your long track record of diluting islam.



Die as the hypocrite you are yaa malcuun.

^ Is there no room for those who bring a little rationale to your faith?

[quote="Gamadid."]Hasan Turabi is as misguided as you are on this issue. Come with something more credible or save us from the hypocrisy and the practice of jewish Scholars.

You were an advocate for unislamic beliefs to begin with, so your obsession with a fallible man like Hassan Turabi's misguided utterances is just a continuation of your long track record of diluting islam.



Die as the hypocrite you are yaa malcuun.[/quote]

I knew you were running arround with other nicks and got hurt in my opinions towards your lord, warlord Aweeys in Mogadiscio. Live with it boy. Now you can't prove your point from any source, either the Qura'an and Hadith to back up your arguments and resorted to name calling such as kaafir. This has been used already by the Wahabis, join the end of the line. No wonder then, why Muslims are in such a mess. They all neglected a clear book like the Qura'an.

Allah SWT tells us that the Qu'raan is easy and clear to understand. Show us the proof in the Qura'an, or Hadith, or shut up your foking filthy mouth.

If you are interested in the Quran, enough has been said in the previous posts. You violate the Quranic verses nine times out of ten every time you write something about islam. Go back and read from the start if you are interested in Allah's teachings.


I won't even address your insecuirty about me for having a different nick. If I can express disagreement with you under Gama'diid, I have done it already. No need to ide behind any other nick as that is cowardice. Perhaps you are the one who does it.

You presented an ayat that was addressed to both Muslim men and women warning them not to marry pagans.

Did I invent, manipulate, or simply you are not capable to get it through your tiny winy mind this ayat from Allah SWT? Who is Allah SWT addressing?

Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma'idah) Verse : 5

"...And lawful for you are chaste believing women and chaste women from among those who were given the Book before you, when you give them their dowries, contracting valid marriage and not committing fornication, nor taking secret paramours..."

"....from among those who were given the Book before you".

Is that ayat a Jewish conspiracy too?

I pity fools like you.

"The guy converted and married her. But after a while, he divorced her because she was not acting according to Islam"

When I was younger, this white convert dude Dauud used to drive me and my brothers to dugsi. This brother is one of the most religious people you will ever meet. Anyway this guy is now married to some arab chick but before that he was married to a somali girl. She was the one that made him convert to islam but he divorced her because she was not a good muslim. I think this kind of thing happens often. A guy or a girl gets married to a non-muslim and ask him or her to convert but end up getting divorced because of their un islamic ways.

Law26,

First, recognize the position islam took against nonmuslims including jews and christians in the proper context. You have already confused Jews who followed the prophet and those who stayed on the right track with others whom Allah has clearly condemned. Separate the two, then you will understand the fallacy of your argument and your misquotes of the Quran. Perhaps you will be able to see the only fool ignoramus is you. Also recognize how in many places Allah indicated Torah was full of wisdom while in the same token, the previous books are said to be completely changed textually and therefore lost their Godly mark because the Jewish/Christian scholars kept selling the verses of God for a miserable price.

Surah Al-'Imran Ayah [187] (And remember) when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it, but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And indeed worst is that which they bought. "



If we followed your arguments, ISLAM SERVES NO PURPOSE as it came 5 centuries after The Gospel of Jesus or a thousand plus years after Torah. What is the purpose of islam and its universality? Doesn't islam talk directly to the jews and chrsitians telling them how they SCREWED UP their books which Allah entrusted with? You would have us believe they didn't because you are in an out of context fashion quoting the verses of Allah where Allah spoke of those honest Jewish and Christian men and women who followed the word uncorrupted and consequently followed prophet mohamed.


Consider this:

A- The rejector groups among the Jewish and what Allah has said:

Surah Al-Baqarah Ayah [89] And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Qur'an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, They DISBELIEVED in it. SO LET THE Curse of Allah be on the DISBELIEVERS."

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B- The good Jewish People who followed the message:

Surah An-Nisa Ayah [162] But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what has been sent down to you (Muhammad ) and what was sent down before you, and those who perform As­Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and believe in Allah and in the Last Day, it is they to whom We shall give a great reward"




The idolatry of christians doesn't require any proofs as that had been clearly pointed out time and again in the Quran. Even Jesus will reject their worship of him in the day of judgement. Let us not even discuss about the saints, the idols in the church and their role in today's christianity.



Anyway, Law26, there you got my untainted beliefs about you and about the topic at hand. Please, don't bring me back writing some monotony for I have better things to do.

"Die as the hypocrite you are yaa malcuun."

Lol@ Gamadiid, brother this guy is more dangerous than Galol and Dhuusadheere wallahi because many people on this site actually buy into his story of being a muslim. Where have we ever seen a muslim that constantly attack the religion and anything islamic? Saaxiboow kan waqtigaada haku lumin wallahi, he is a waste. He does not deserve a reply from you.