The Isreal government is a terrorist

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

No Iran, no hizbollah. Everyone knows that. Where do you think the rockets are coming from? Who do you think produced them?

"see you cant even defend your support to the israelis yet u continue to support maybe because they are fightin.....muslims?"

I don't like either party. I am not "defending" Israel. Again, you fail to understand. I DON'T LIKE ISLAM OR JUDAISM. I think they are both a crock of shit. If tomorrow all of the Arabs died, I wouldn't care. I don't like Arabs. Ditto for the Jews, I don't like them much either. I have one good friend who was born half Jewish and is a practicing Catholic, and I have one good friend who is his sister and she is a practicing Jew. Those are the only Jews I personally care about. And the only Muslims I care about are Somali. So I don't have a dog in this fight (dog - what an appropriate analogy, given that the Israelis and Arabs are fighting like dogs over a track of meaningless sand).

So I explain what is going on and why. That's not the same as defending. I don't like either group. Muslims are stupid, mindless, adherents to some doctrine propagated by a 7th century sand pimp and Jews are stupid, mindless adherents to a doctrine propagated by several pre-Christian sand pimps who think that God gave them land.

MAD MAC is a Deist, who sees the world clearly - unlike 90% of the posters on this net.

[eyes-only]

^Some people lack all kinds of compassion.

I hate George Bush and Tony Blair, and I wouldnÂ’t even be able to wish them dead and would at least have the heart to care if they died. I would probably wish they shoot themselves on the foot literally to taste pain but never wish them dead. Yet you would never care if all Arabs were to die. That is evil. It is bad enough you protesting to hate Islam, but the indifference you show for the sanctity of human life is disgusting.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Did I ever say I was a nice guy? No, I don't recall me saying that. My troops bought me a wallet for Christmas three years ago. Emblazoned on it was the phrase "Bad Motherfucker" (I'm a big Pulp Fiction fan). You want honest analysis, you come to me. You want pie in the sky crap, laced with platitudes for some Muslim group or other, go to Gedo or someone like that.

[Gedo_Boy]

HOO-RAA

103. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall We tell you the greatest losers in respect of (their) deeds?

104. "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!

105. "They are those who deny the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of their Lord and the Meeting with Him (in the Hereafter). So their works are in vain, and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall not give them any weight.

106. "That shall be their recompense, Hell; because they disbelieved and took My Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery.

[Gedo_Boy]

115. And indeed We made a covenant with Adam before, but he forgot, and We found on his part no firm will-power.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

106. "That shall be their recompense, Hell; because they disbelieved and took My Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and My Messengers by way of jest and mockery."

This would be me. Jest and mockery - how fitting.

[Gedo_Boy]

20. Who is he besides the Most Beneficent that can be an army to you to help you? The disbelievers are in nothing but delusion.

21. Who is he that can provide for you if He should withhold His provision? Nay, but they continue to be in pride, and (they) flee (from the truth).

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Who is he that can provide for you if He should withhold His provision? Nay, but they continue to be in pride, and (they) flee (from the truth)."

My dad used to say God helps those who help themselves.

[DANGIRL]

I'm sooooo help the prograsse that have been made in Iraq so far.The Iraqis are out and about chanting "death to america"" death to Israel".I bet Bush is feeling happy right now after seeing that mass demostration in Iraq today.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

It just goes to show, you can take the fascist leader out of the Arab state, but you can't take the idiocy out of the Arab.

[Gacalisa]

Isreal is the true terrorist of the world, as my new friend Mel said so loudly.

no their are only 80 isreals dead in the war, and over 800 lubnaans dead, now tell me who is doing the terrorizing.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I told you guys in another post the ratio would be ten to one.

[Viking]

Mad Mac,
How would it turn out if the situation was reverse and Lebanon was getting $4billion a year in cash, tanks, copters and jet fighters from USA while Israel relied on a small militia of a few thousand? Ratio is ten to one because Israel is dropping bombs from F-16s on residential areas while their opponents are randomly firing short range missiles (mostly no-hitters).

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Viking
How a military performs and the results that can be predicted are drawn from training and quality of equipment. The IDF has surperior training resources and BY FAR superior equipment.

If you thought I was insinuating in some way that Jewish soldiers are inherently better, that is certainly not the case. Anyone who has carefully studied warfare can tell you, I can take a squad of infantry from any ethnic group and if I give them the same level of training and the same equipment, I will g roughly the same result every time.

I was simply pointing out, as I did much earlier here, that the course of this conflict and it's combat kill ratios are predictable.

[Viking]

Mad Mac,
If they are so skilled why then are they having difficulty eliminating a couple of thousand men with very basic weapons? Plus, what good would their skill be without the billions they get every year for the past half-century from America? Imagine if Hezbollah had a few hundred tanks, drones and F16's, would it still be 10:1? You can't be serious!

Well, I guess you will tell us how urban combat is difficult and the "enemy is launching attacks from civilian areas" and that the Israelis are merciful and don't want to kill a lot of people.