Axmed Guray - What do you know about him?

[Adali]

The further down you go in your lineage the less authenticated it is, when was the earliest mention of Kablalax ? it was probably 50 years ago, you are being duped into thinking you belong to a family called Kablalax, as for these Tagalwaaq nonsense, do your elders even believe in this ?

if I go to an Ogaden elder today in 2018 and ask him his abtirsi, is he going to recite your names ? my grandfather recited my abtirsi, my older uncles recited it, any Reer Miyi in Caabudwaaq area can recite the abtirsi, various chains of narrations authenticate my abtirsi, and the Marehan clan is authenticated through historic books, Kablalax is fake bro, who is trying to trick you ? look no further, its dhaboyaco menace.

[Ben Dover]

Doofaar ismaacil are stuck with names like Kaante, Kumuude, Kabalalax, Goita, Jidwaaq, Siinwaaq, Cabudwaaq, Theodorous, Xiraabu... etc.

So their best idea is to pretend these names from their own abtirsi are fake

[Adali]

Glad to have a great name like Theodorus in my cousins Abtirsi, it means in greek, God's gift, its the name of kings, mashallah deh, Gaal Madow.

[Ben Dover]

Glad to have a great name like Theodorus in my cousins Abtirsi, it means in greek, God's gift, its the name of kings, mashallah deh, Gaal Madow.

There you have the boon marehan. So proud of the name Theodorous in his abtirsi.

And the bastard has the gall to claim he is Somali

[Adali]

Glad to have a great name like Theodorus in my cousins Abtirsi, it means in greek, God's gift, its the name of kings, mashallah deh, Gaal Madow.

There you have the boon marehan. So proud of the name Theodorous in his abtirsi.

And the bastard has the gall to claim he is Somali

You are the one attaching yourself to me, I was not even addressing you, nor have I disrespected you. Of course I am proud of that name, its the name of Garad Xiraabu Goita Theodorus Adamn, the leader of my ancestors, a documented Mujahid, I am more than proud of that, may allah rest his soul in peace.

I don't need to insult you or anytihng, I have nothing against Habar Jeclo, I don't get where your hatred is coming from, nor do I even care.

[Ben Dover]

You are the one attaching yourself to me, I was not even addressing you, nor have I disrespected you. Of course I am proud of that name, its the name of Garad Xiraabu Goita Theodorus Adamn, the leader of my ancestors, a documented Mujahid, I am more than proud of that, may allah rest his soul in peace.

I don't need to insult you or anytihng, I have nothing against Habar Jeclo, I don't get where your hatred is coming from, nor do I even care.

I did not insult you, please state where I did so.

I have only highlighted the bizarre, non-Somali name of your ancestor, Xiraabu Goita Theodorous, and the fact that you seem proud of said non-Muslim non-Somali name in your abtirsi.

Also he was no mujahid, he did not answer the Imam's call for jihad. And the war ended with him fleeing punishment from Imam for killing a boy and becoming a refugee in Hawiye country, hardly a valiant mujahid, and more of a craven turncloak.

[Adali]

You are the one attaching yourself to me, I was not even addressing you, nor have I disrespected you. Of course I am proud of that name, its the name of Garad Xiraabu Goita Theodorus Adamn, the leader of my ancestors, a documented Mujahid, I am more than proud of that, may allah rest his soul in peace.

I don't need to insult you or anytihng, I have nothing against Habar Jeclo, I don't get where your hatred is coming from, nor do I even care.

I did not insult you, please state where I did so.

I have only highlighted the bizarre, non-Somali name of your ancestor, Xiraabu Goita Theodorous, and the fact that you seem proud of said non-Muslim non-Somali name in your abtirsi.

Also he was no mujahid, he did not answer the Imam's call for jihad. And the war ended with him fleeing punishment from Imam for killing a boy and becoming a refugee in Hawiye country, hardly a valiant mujahid, and more of a craven turncloak.

At least the Hawiye are mentioned in the book

[Ben Dover]

At least the Hawiye are mentioned in the book

They gave refuge to Xiaabu like Nigeria gave asylum to Afweyne

But we are not talking about the Hawiye. We are talking about your bizarre sense of pride in having a non-Somali, non-Muslim name in your abtirsi. It is odd for a Somali.

Xiraabu Goita Theodorous can not be called a mujahid as he refused to answer the call for jihad. And he ended up fleeing the wrath of Imam Ahmed and becoming a fugitive in Hawiye land. The Arabic source is clear on this.

[ramzy2277]

why move this education thread away to an unknown catageory.

anyhow, glad someone finally is proud of their true lineage.

now,do u still claim the imam ahmed al gazi is a merehan ?

[Adali]

why move this education thread away to an unknown catageory.

anyhow, glad someone finally is proud of their true lineage.

now,do u still claim the imam ahmed al gazi is a merehan ?

To me Ahmed Gurey although a great man, is just an individual. The leader of the clan is far more important and from the manuscript we know both Hiraabu and his son Ahmed were leaders of Marehan clan.

I still claim Ahmed Gurey as its in my oral history, something you choose to completely ignore, even though the manuscript suggest he is from a clan that doesn't exist in present day Somali society.

And I still claim Nur Ibn Mujahid, a claim in my opinion is much stronger as his descendants are alive today, just as Garad Hiraabu descendants are alive today.

What we can agree on is the manuscript does not clarify the clans of neither Ahmed Gurey or Nur Ibn Mujahid, as for Ahmed Xussen, that is neither here or there for me, as we haven't claimed him or the many other historical characters.

I am just here to read this thread about Ahmed Gurey, apart from a little banter, its a shame its being moved to the extreme sections, we have people like Bend over to thank for that, someone whose forefathers have nothing to do with the Adal kingdom.

[BestPlaya]

Interesting these waaq names can't be seen in Isaaq abtiris, shows the other clans are much more older than ours, for example my lineage

1**
2***
3**
4***
5**
6***
7 Nur
8 Ismaacil
9.Kuul
10.Gadiid
11.Yunus
12.Nuux
13.ismaacil
14.Jibril
15.Xuseen
16.Abokor
17.Isaxaaq
18.Sacad
19.Musa
20.Zubeir
21.Abdulraxman
22.Sheikh ishaaq
23. Sheikh Axmed
24. Sheikh Muxammad.

Yeah.iidoor are relatively small clan in terms of age bcoz they are historically regarded a branch of Maahe Dir.People are just glory hunters but l strongly believe Habar Makida of the Futuh are Bartire.Adal wars lead to the extinction of big Somali and non-Somali(Harla) groups while other important big clans like Geri and Gurgure become small and langaab due to Adal wars
smaller groups emerged as the new regional powers post adal era such as Ogaden ,Iidoor,ciise,MJ.

[BestPlaya]

Balwarama , waaq means God .You shouldn't give it all to Galla besides that,waaq names were unique to the ancient Somali.

[BestPlaya]

The further down you go in your lineage the less authenticated it is, when was the earliest mention of Kablalax ? it was probably 50 years ago, you are being duped into thinking you belong to a family called Kablalax, as for these Tagalwaaq nonsense, do your elders even believe in this ?

through historic books, Kablalax is fake bro, who is trying to trick you ? look no further, its dhaboyaco menace.

You must be kidding..

Lineages are authentic through out because at every particular point ,there's a branch that joins .The abtirsi may seem a little bit confusing at some point but still they are those who knows the correct abtirsi.


Let me educate u on the mighty kablalah clan breakdown.just a brief one.

Kablalax Darod
Koombe
1.Geri
2.Harti
Kuumade
1.Galimeys
2.Absame

Absame
1.Baalcad
2.Weyteen
3.Jidwaaq
4.Ogaden

Ogaden had only one son called Tagaalwaaq.


Tagaalwaaq had two,Cumar and Barwaaq.

Barwaaq
1.Amuudaan Barwaaq (Maqaabul)
2.Mirwalall Barwaaq

Mirwalaal had one son Kaante

Kaante had one son Yuusuf

Yuusuf
-Camar Yuusuf
-Muuse Yuusuf.


Muuse Yuusuf
-Habar racad (Malonke etc )
-Habar siciid (Talamoge,Baahale)


Talamooge
-Ree Maxamad
-Cabdalle
-Cabdwaaq

Baahale
-Bah Gari
-Cawlyahan
-Maxamad Subeer


OG was small clan from the beginning. His cousin Gerri koombe had 12 sons .This explains why geri took a lions share in Adal while OG was small clan during Futuxul Habesha.Ogaden only become Laandheere in 1600s and early 1700s centuries when they defeated their older brothers ,Jidwaaqs ,in bloody battles.

[Ben Dover]

why move this education thread away to an unknown catageory.

anyhow, glad someone finally is proud of their true lineage.

now,do u still claim the imam ahmed al gazi is a merehan ?

To me Ahmed Gurey although a great man, is just an individual. The leader of the clan is far more important and from the manuscript we know both Hiraabu and his son Ahmed were leaders of Marehan clan.

I still claim Ahmed Gurey as its in my oral history, something you choose to completely ignore, even though the manuscript suggest he is from a clan that doesn't exist in present day Somali society.

And I still claim Nur Ibn Mujahid, a claim in my opinion is much stronger as his descendants are alive today, just as Garad Hiraabu descendants are alive today.

What we can agree on is the manuscript does not clarify the clans of neither Ahmed Gurey or Nur Ibn Mujahid, as for Ahmed Xussen, that is neither here or there for me, as we haven't claimed him or the many other historical characters.

I am just here to read this thread about Ahmed Gurey, apart from a little banter, its a shame its being moved to the extreme sections, we have people like Bend over to thank for that, someone whose forefathers have nothing to do with the Adal kingdom.

You have zero claim to anyone other than your craven ancestor Xiraabu Goita Theodorous. The only boon marehan mentioned in the original Arabic source.

You have absolutely no academic sources other than a single erroneous article that was debunked earlier in the thread. Which is why you are trying to claim unverifiable "oral history" that you have just made up. At one point your cousin used the fact that a school was named after Nur ibn Mujahid in 2013 as a source

You have no claim. Accept your ancestor Xiraabu Goita Theodorous, you are already proud of his non-Somali non-Muslim name in your abtirsi.

That is one bizarre abtirsi you have, full of iterations of the Oromo pagan Sky-God Waaq AS WELL AS names like Theodorous, Goita and Xiraabu. It clearly shows a history of assimilation into different groups.

[Adali]

1.mine
2.....
3.......
4........
5.........
6............
7.Ugaas Nuur- Cubudhiye
8.Ugaas Warfaa-Aar
9.Ugaas Magan
10.Warfaa
11.Ugaas Xirsi
12.Ugaas Khalaf-Madoobe
13.Xasan
14.Khalaf-Guun
15.Yusuf
16.Maxamed-Roob
17.Cabdille
18.Muse
19.Maxamed
20. Zubair
21.Baahale
22.Siciid
23.Musa
24.Yuusuf-Kaante
25.Tagaalwaaq
26.Baarwaaq
27.Miyirwalaal
28. Abdurahman-Ogaadeen
29.Absame
30.Kuumade
31.Kablalax
32.Daarood
33.Ismaaciil
34. Jeberti

P.S: in my family reer Warfaa (the 2nd) you can find people that count only 5 to him and some that count up to 10 including their names like me as well as some that count 13 or 14, all contemporaries!

Why haven't you been mentioned in Futuh Al Habasha ? You live in the area of Adal today, so why aren't you mentioned ?

Ugaas Sharmaarke
Ugaas Diini
Ugaas Faarah
Ugaas Guleed
Ugaas Sharmaarke........... Early modern Somalis time of constant war, Somali identity well established.
Qalaf
Huseen
Yuusuf
Mataan
Iise............Middle ages Somalis, time of Adal resurgence, Somali clans mentioned for the first time.
Ahmed
Boqor Mahamed
Da'uud
Abadir
Muuse........... Middle ages Somalis time of Ifat/Adal, Somali identity well established, but clans still not fully mentioned.
Mahamed
Warwaajele
Raadimiir
Amaanreer
Isaaq
Galshiredle...................Early Somalis time of Walaashama/Ifat, Somali identity much more prominent here.
Hodenbari
Baalyiri
Awsame
Mahamed "Mareehaan"
Ahmed "Sade"....First recorded Somalis, introduction of Somali identity to Written books, Walaashama dynasty existed but with Arab genealogy.

If you compare our lineages from Darood, Hiraabu who founded the Reer Hiraabay from Cali Boqor Maxamed Daud lived around the same time as Mahamed Zubeyr which I have highlighted. His clan is mentioned as Marehan which is about 17 generations up from Hiraabu, so it would make sense for either OGadeen, Absame, Kablalax to be mentioned.

Since Gerri is Koobme Kablalax and they are mentioned, why is Ogaden who is Kumade Kablalax mentioned ?

This is a mystery because you actually live close to the center of Adal, although Adal expanded to most of Somali lands. Its very odd that a clan living so close to the center of Adal has not been mentioned ?