Axmed Guray - What do you know about him?

[BestPlaya]

1.mine
2.....
3.......
4........
5.........
6............
7.Ugaas Nuur- Cubudhiye
8.Ugaas Warfaa-Aar
9.Ugaas Magan
10.Warfaa
11.Ugaas Xirsi
12.Ugaas Khalaf-Madoobe
13.Xasan
14.Khalaf-Guun
15.Yusuf
16.Maxamed-Roob
17.Cabdille
18.Muse
19.Maxamed
20. Zubair
21.Baahale
22.Siciid
23.Musa
24.Yuusuf-Kaante
25.Tagaalwaaq
26.Baarwaaq
27.Miyirwalaal
28. Abdurahman-Ogaadeen
29.Absame
30.Kuumade
31.Kablalax
32.Daarood
33.Ismaaciil
34. Jeberti

P.S: in my family reer Warfaa (the 2nd) you can find people that count only 5 to him and some that count up to 10 including their names like me as well as some that count 13 or 14, all contemporaries!

Why haven't you been mentioned in Futuh Al Habasha ? You live in the area of Adal today, so why aren't you mentioned ?

Ugaas Sharmaarke
Ugaas Diini
Ugaas Faarah
Ugaas Guleed
Ugaas Sharmaarke........... Early modern Somalis time of constant war, Somali identity well established.
Qalaf
Huseen
Yuusuf
Mataan
Iise............Middle ages Somalis, time of Adal resurgence, Somali clans mentioned for the first time.
Ahmed
Boqor Mahamed
Da'uud
Abadir
Muuse........... Middle ages Somalis time of Ifat/Adal, Somali identity well established, but clans still not fully mentioned.
Mahamed
Warwaajele
Raadimiir
Amaanreer
Isaaq
Galshiredle...................Early Somalis time of Walaashama/Ifat, Somali identity much more prominent here.
Hodenbari
Baalyiri
Awsame
Mahamed "Mareehaan"
Ahmed "Sade"....First recorded Somalis, introduction of Somali identity to Written books, Walaashama dynasty existed but with Arab genealogy.

If you compare our lineages from Darood, Hiraabu who founded the Reer Hiraabay from Cali Boqor Maxamed Daud lived around the same time as Mahamed Zubeyr which I have highlighted. His clan is mentioned as Marehan which is about 17 generations up from Hiraabu, so it would make sense for either OGadeen, Absame, Kablalax to be mentioned.

Since Gerri is Koobme Kablalax and they are mentioned, why is Ogaden who is Kumade Kablalax mentioned ?

This is a mystery because you actually live close to the center of Adal, although Adal expanded to most of Somali lands. Its very odd that a clan living so close to the center of Adal has not been mentioned ?

Ogaden wasn't mentioned but Yabaree and Bartire (Habar Maqdi ) are mentioned.It simple,many clans who inhabit the historic Adal territories are not also mentioned such as Gadabursi,Ciise etc.Ogaden was small clan during adal they were politically represented by the jidwaaqs (Bartire,yabaree,Abaskuul) .Ogaden glorious history only began probably towards the end of 1600 during the reign of Garaad Faarax ileey of Bartire.Talamuge heroically ended the Bartire dominance .Cabdwaaqs briefly ruled after which Ogaden chose their first grand Ugaas who hailed from Baahale esp Ree Cabdille.


First OG ugaasyo after breaking away from Jidwaaqs

-Ugaas Galab -Ree Guled khalaf
-Ugaas Cali-Nasri(his reign was brief .young Ugas Nuur dethroned him)
-Ugaas Nuur (Killed by the defeated Bartires)
-Ugaas Khalaf (younger brother of Ugas nuur)
Ugaas Guleed (Son of ugaas Khalaf .dethroned in favor of his younger brother)
-Ugaas Xirsi (he was a just ruler.he united OG and consolidated their power after OG parted ways with Jidwaaqs)


Who was Amiir Nuur ? what's his marehan abtirsi.

Who are the Hiraabeey theodros .Where do they live?

Why do different Marehan claim Imam Axmad Ibraaim ?Soonfure,Ree Garaad ,INA Nuur and Urmidig all cliam Imam Axmad.Out of these clans which one does the deluded Adali thinks the imam hailed from

[Typhoon]

BestPlaya will ogadeen, xabada naga leexi, xabadanada inama gaboto ee

inkaargabe guhaad ba kuwaan so tababaray miya, wa maxay ogadeenkan marexaan dhabo digtay in somalinet.

ilmoaderyaalo naga leexda, jihad baan ku jirna ee

[balwarama]

I'm sure we didn't live, where we are today in the 1500s.

Also our Jidwaaq cousins were mentioned in Futux Al Xabasha. Both Bartire and Yabare were mentioned separately.

The story is, Bartire were the rulers of the entire Absame at one point and their Garaad dynasty lineage attests to that as it is very long.

I have no doubt that we were an insignificant laangaan at that time.

[Typhoon]

I'm sure we didn't live, where we are today in the 1500s.

Also our Jidwaaq cousins were mentioned in Futux Al Xabasha. Both Bartire and Yabare were mentioned separately.

The story is, Bartire were the rulers of the entire Absame at one point and their Garaad dynasty lineage attests to that as it is very long.

I have no doubt that we were an insignificant laangaan at that time.

masajidka ciyaarta ka daa, bartire bookga kuma yalo ee
ahmed gurey waxu noqday walmart camal, somali dhan ba ka adeegsanaysa

[balwarama]

BestPlaya will ogadeen, xabada naga leexi, xabadanada inama gaboto ee

inkaargabe guhaad ba kuwaan so tababaray miya, wa maxay ogadeenkan marexaan dhabo digtay in somalinet.

ilmoaderyaalo naga leexda, jihad baan ku jirna ee

Waa diyaar boss. Besides we don't have to get emotional because it is ok to question things. I welcome it

[balwarama]

I'm sure we didn't live, where we are today in the 1500s.

Also our Jidwaaq cousins were mentioned in Futux Al Xabasha. Both Bartire and Yabare were mentioned separately.

The story is, Bartire were the rulers of the entire Absame at one point and their Garaad dynasty lineage attests to that as it is very long.

I have no doubt that we were an insignificant laangaan at that time.

masajidka ciyaarta ka daa, bartire bookga kuma yalo ee
ahmed gurey waxu noqday walmart camal, somali dhan ba ka adeegsanaysa

Please reread my post. I neva claimed Ahmed Gurey was Bartire.

Bartire wuu ku qoranyahay and Yabare also

[Typhoon]

I'm sure we didn't live, where we are today in the 1500s.

Also our Jidwaaq cousins were mentioned in Futux Al Xabasha. Both Bartire and Yabare were mentioned separately.

The story is, Bartire were the rulers of the entire Absame at one point and their Garaad dynasty lineage attests to that as it is very long.

I have no doubt that we were an insignificant laangaan at that time.

masajidka ciyaarta ka daa, bartire bookga kuma yalo ee
ahmed gurey waxu noqday walmart camal, somali dhan ba ka adeegsanaysa

Please reread my post. I neva claimed Ahmed Gurey was Bartire.

Bartire book kuma jiro was uttered in Waamo not Galbeed. It was just around 100 years ago during the English arrival of the Somali peninsula when those things were said

i know bro i could not resist in taking a jab at boqortoyadii bartire and beelwaynta absame
entire absame have history in saldanadi Ifat
walashma dynasty was a absame even james dhal confirmed it.

[BestPlaya]

I'm sure we didn't live, where we are today in the 1500s.

Also our Jidwaaq cousins were mentioned in Futux Al Xabasha. Both Bartire and Yabare were mentioned separately.

The story is, Bartire were the rulers of the entire Absame at one point and their Garaad dynasty lineage attests to that as it is very long.

I have no doubt that we were an insignificant laangaan at that time.

masajidka ciyaarta ka daa, bartire bookga kuma yalo ee
ahmed gurey waxu noqday walmart camal, somali dhan ba ka adeegsanaysa

Imaam Axmad hawiye mise Harla ayuu ahaa.

Axmed Gurey xusen wuxuu ahaa Yabaree .

Bartire ayaa ka taarikh weyn ilkayartiina .Garaadada Bartire markay talin jireen Marehan waxba ma uuna ahayn.

[BestPlaya]

d/p

[Adali]

1.mine
2.....
3.......
4........
5.........
6............
7.Ugaas Nuur- Cubudhiye
8.Ugaas Warfaa-Aar
9.Ugaas Magan
10.Warfaa
11.Ugaas Xirsi
12.Ugaas Khalaf-Madoobe
13.Xasan
14.Khalaf-Guun
15.Yusuf
16.Maxamed-Roob
17.Cabdille
18.Muse
19.Maxamed
20. Zubair
21.Baahale
22.Siciid
23.Musa
24.Yuusuf-Kaante
25.Tagaalwaaq
26.Baarwaaq
27.Miyirwalaal
28. Abdurahman-Ogaadeen
29.Absame
30.Kuumade
31.Kablalax
32.Daarood
33.Ismaaciil
34. Jeberti

P.S: in my family reer Warfaa (the 2nd) you can find people that count only 5 to him and some that count up to 10 including their names like me as well as some that count 13 or 14, all contemporaries!

Why haven't you been mentioned in Futuh Al Habasha ? You live in the area of Adal today, so why aren't you mentioned ?

Ugaas Sharmaarke
Ugaas Diini
Ugaas Faarah
Ugaas Guleed
Ugaas Sharmaarke........... Early modern Somalis time of constant war, Somali identity well established.
Qalaf
Huseen
Yuusuf
Mataan
Iise............Middle ages Somalis, time of Adal resurgence, Somali clans mentioned for the first time.
Ahmed
Boqor Mahamed
Da'uud
Abadir
Muuse........... Middle ages Somalis time of Ifat/Adal, Somali identity well established, but clans still not fully mentioned.
Mahamed
Warwaajele
Raadimiir
Amaanreer
Isaaq
Galshiredle...................Early Somalis time of Walaashama/Ifat, Somali identity much more prominent here.
Hodenbari
Baalyiri
Awsame
Mahamed "Mareehaan"
Ahmed "Sade"....First recorded Somalis, introduction of Somali identity to Written books, Walaashama dynasty existed but with Arab genealogy.

If you compare our lineages from Darood, Hiraabu who founded the Reer Hiraabay from Cali Boqor Maxamed Daud lived around the same time as Mahamed Zubeyr which I have highlighted. His clan is mentioned as Marehan which is about 17 generations up from Hiraabu, so it would make sense for either OGadeen, Absame, Kablalax to be mentioned.

Since Gerri is Koobme Kablalax and they are mentioned, why is Ogaden who is Kumade Kablalax mentioned ?

This is a mystery because you actually live close to the center of Adal, although Adal expanded to most of Somali lands. Its very odd that a clan living so close to the center of Adal has not been mentioned ?

Ogaden wasn't mentioned but Yabaree and Bartire (Habar Maqdi ) are mentioned.It simple,many clans who inhabit the historic Adal territories are not also mentioned such as Gadabursi,Ciise etc.Ogaden was small clan during adal they were politically represented by the jidwaaqs (Bartire,yabaree,Abaskuul) .Ogaden glorious history only began probably towards the end of 1600 during the reign of Garaad Faarax ileey of Bartire.Talamuge heroically ended the Bartire dominance .Cabdwaaqs briefly ruled after which Ogaden chose their first grand Ugaas who hailed from Baahale esp Ree Cabdille.


First OG ugaasyo after breaking away from Jidwaaqs

-Ugaas Galab -Ree Guled khalaf
-Ugaas Cali-Nasri(his reign was brief .young Ugas Nuur dethroned him)
-Ugaas Nuur (Killed by the defeated Bartires)
-Ugaas Khalaf (younger brother of Ugas nuur)
Ugaas Guleed (Son of ugaas Khalaf .dethroned in favor of his younger brother)
-Ugaas Xirsi (he was a just ruler.he united OG and consolidated their power after OG parted ways with Jidwaaqs)


Who was Amiir Nuur ? what's his marehan abtirsi.

Who are the Hiraabeey theodros .Where do they live?

Why do different Marehan claim Imam Axmad Ibraaim ?Soonfure,Ree Garaad ,INA Nuur and Urmidig all cliam Imam Axmad.Out of these clans which one does the deluded Adali thinks the imam hailed from

Whether you supported Gerri or not is a mute point, I asked you why isn't ogaden, kumade or absame mentioned as a clan ? do not say you were a small clan,because Gerri Koombe Kablalax Darood is on the same level as Absame Kumade Kablalax Darood and Gerri is clearly mentioned, so is Marehan Sade Darood.

according to Darood geneology Marehan is uncle to Gerri and they are both mentioned.

Another interesting point is, in the 1800s an explorer who wanted to visit Harar visited the Geri chief, in his writing he mentions many clans but not Ogaden, he mentions the Bartire, Isaac, Marehan, Gedubursi etc and the different allegiances these clans had, but he never mentioned Ogaden, even though Marehan at that time were allied to Gerri he mentioned them as a seperate clan.

The earliest written mention of Ogaden as a clan was Sayid Mohamed Abdille Hassan, prior to that they appeared on few maps in the mid 1800s, which makes me assume Ogaden clan formed around that time as a confederacy.

Without throwing insults just answer these questions.

[Adali]

masajidka ciyaarta ka daa, bartire bookga kuma yalo ee
ahmed gurey waxu noqday walmart camal, somali dhan ba ka adeegsanaysa

Please reread my post. I neva claimed Ahmed Gurey was Bartire.

Bartire book kuma jiro was uttered in Waamo not Galbeed. It was just around 100 years ago during the English arrival of the Somali peninsula when those things were said

i know bro i could not resist in taking a jab at boqortoyadii bartire and beelwaynta absame
entire absame have history in saldanadi Ifat
walashma dynasty was a absame even james dhal confirmed it.

Walashama dynasty nobody knows about it, no traditional claim to them, but they were said to be Somalis and it was infact them the Adal kingdom rose up from.

[balwarama]

Ogaden are recent arrivals in the far west of the Somaliland. Besides are you saying this Abtirsi is made up? If so who do you think decided to forge it? When do you think it could have happened? Why do you think there was no mention of it in the oral history of the Somalis? When was the first mentioning of Dhulbahante, Majertein? When is the first mention of Bah Ogaadeen in the neighboring Somali Qabiils? The name Ogaden, I believe is a collective name of the Qabiil and not the founder of the Qabiil! The same goes for Dhulbahante and Iidoor

[Adali]

Ogaden are recent arrivals in the far west of the Somaliland. Besides are you saying this Abtirsi is made up? If so who do you think decided to forge it? When do you think it could have happened? Why do you think there was no mention of it in the oral history of the Somalis? When was the first mentioning of Dhulbahante, Majertein? When is the first mention of Bah Ogaadeen in the neighboring Somali Qabiils? The name Ogaden, I believe is a collective name of the Qabiil and not the founder of the Qabiil! The same goes for Dhulbahante and Iidoor

Recent arrival theory must be based on something, where did you come from ? the only people we know to be recent arrivals were the Galla

[BestPlaya]

Whether you supported Gerri or not is a mute point, I asked you why isn't ogaden, kumade or absame mentioned as a clan ? do not say you were a small clan,because Gerri Koombe Kablalax Darood is on the same level as Absame Kumade Kablalax Darood and Gerri is clearly mentioned, so is Marehan Sade Darood. 

Who said OG supported Gerri?

I said OG was small clan who lived with their Jidwaaq cousins.My point is,Geri was a major force in Adal Jihaad because they were laandhere back then while Ogaden was langaab.Even the largest Ogaden clans were only 3 to 4 generation old.Mahamed Subeer,Cawlyahan and Talamuge were all small.My grandfather told me Axmadfaa Maxaadar took part in the jihaad and fought along imaam Ahmad.Now,let's see the abtirsi of this man.

Ahmadfaa---Maxaadar-Isaaq-Maxamad-Subeer.

This clearly shows Largest Ogaden clans were in fact small clans during adal.


Another example, Ogaden had one son while Gerri koombe 12 sons .

Gari koombe
Coofle Gari
Duse Gari
Xayraan Gari
Magan Weyne Gari
Cabdi Gari
Liibaan Gari
Ilka Xume Gari
Case Gari
Abrom Gari
Aadan Yare Gari
Burhaan Gari
Aw-Barre Gari
-Bah Gurufle
-Yaxye
-Xasan
*Aba yoonis
*Isaaq
*Cumar Xasan


Almost 80 % of Ogaden are Muuse Yusuf .This man counts seven generation from Ogaden.Major Ogaden clans such as Maxamad Subeer,Cawlyahan,Bah Gari,Cabdalle and Cabdwaaq are the progeny of Muuse .

Ogaden
Tagaalwaq
Barwaaq
Mirwalaal
Kaante
Yuusuf
Muuse ----Camar (Hyper's clan)
Baahaale & Tolmoge (This when Largest Ogaden clans formed .Before that Ogaden had been laangaab for generations


This explains why Geri and Jidwaaqs dominated Adal.Ogaden was laangaab back and only became a major clan post Adal era when major clans such as Geri and Marehan were reduced by the long conflict between the Habesha and Somalis.

according to Darood geneology Marehan is uncle to Gerri and they are both mentioned.

Not only these two, Harti,Yabaree ,Bartire are also mentioned because they were sizeable clans who went to the jihaad as individual clans.

Another interesting point is, in the 1800s an explorer who wanted to visit Harar visited the Geri chief, in his writing he mentions many clans but not Ogaden, he mentions the Bartire, Isaac, Marehan, Gedubursi etc and the different allegiances these clans had, but he never mentioned Ogaden, even though Marehan at that time were allied to Gerri he mentioned them as a seperate clan.

Are you very stupid ilkayar boy? Richard Burton only described the clans that lived between Saylac and Harar.He did mentioned the Ogaden country even though he didn't visit our regions.

The earliest written mention of Ogaden as a clan was Sayid Mohamed Abdille Hassan, prior to that they appeared on few maps in the mid 1800s, which makes me assume Ogaden clan formed around that time as a confederacy. 

The dumbest thing l heard from the deluded Adali .



Now, tell me who was Axmad Gurey? Sonfure?Ree Garaad? Ina Nuur?Uurmidig ? .All these clans claim that hero.According to you which sept did he belong to ?


What about Amiir NuuR ,can you confirm he was Marehan.

[BestPlaya]

Ogaden are recent arrivals in the far west of the Somaliland. Besides are you saying this Abtirsi is made up? If so who do you think decided to forge it? When do you think it could have happened? Why do you think there was no mention of it in the oral history of the Somalis? When was the first mentioning of Dhulbahante, Majertein? When is the first mention of Bah Ogaadeen in the neighboring Somali Qabiils? The name Ogaden, I believe is a collective name of the Qabiil and not the founder of the Qabiil! The same goes for Dhulbahante and Iidoor

Do you mean the far west (Jijiga and Harar regions ) of Somali lands ? Then, you're right .Ogaden are newcomers in Jigjiga while Jidwaaqs and Geri-galbeed have been living there even before Axmad Gurey.Qoraxay and Doolo are the epicenters of Ogaden territories. Then OG expanded into different regions

Ogaden was a real person .the youngest of the four Absames.

You should not take this boon Marehan serious. His grandfathers perhaps recall how Ugaas Nuur Cubudiye Ogaden forces tamed his ilkayars in dhuuso Mareb .