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Awdal.. you have just contradicted your self by saying.. in one place..
Hargeysa is shared.. city and a clan controlled one.. then later saying it controlled by a clan? Unless your reffering to isaaq.

Dont drag this argument any futher..

If argue with mudulood over their cities then im wrong.. they wont argue with me over mine...

Magaaladii aan isla dagneen . for you you to suggest i should live as marti?

Governed by police and millitia all from one clan?

Mogadishu is more even shared then what you think but thats another argument..

So i'll leave it there.

Dr.Galbeyte.

Yes Hargeisa is run by Sacad Musa, Eidgale and Arab, but there are many others living in the city but at the end of the day the leadership in the city belongs to them only.

Luq_Ganane

It is the point that means ur parents came from another region and when the war broke out they would have run back to it and found safe haven, but a mudlood is already home meaning they have to bare the burden. Guyz am samaroon and i dont have an ounce of Hawiya or Darood blood runing through me and yet am here trying to be fair with you guyz because abviously you guyz will be bias to ur clans and say that they dont own the city. when u guyz accept the fact that the city belongs to them than they will welcome you with open arm's but if i was in their boat and being denied what is mine than heck ill be shelling the shit of you guyz.

Awdal,

Its 'Agree to disagree' time.

So Sacad muse isn't Habar Awal now?

I said before Habar awal should be left to it..

Xagee arap, and Eidagale kasoo a Sub clan of HA?

So your just giving the clans the right because of their influence..

In that case i dont think Any one clan has more influence then another..

So lets give the most influencial clans in Xamar and that would include HG.

BTW why don't Sacad Muuse stick to Gibiley? like Ciise muuse stuck to berbera

Dr.Galbeyte

Where did i say Arab and Eidgale are subclans of Habar awal. Again Habar Awal is a huge sub-clan and yes most of the Hargeisa habar awal tend to be Sacad musa and as for Gebilay do u even know how far it is from Hargeisa that just shows u dont know any think about the geography of the North. Sacad Musa can live in Hargesia since they live the western border of the city but Does Habar Gidir have a border with Hamar.nope 8) As for Ciss musa they have a big city like Berbera what do u have.

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]
even we the djboutians know that Mogadihsu is a mudlood owned city, and yes it is diverse but if you go back in history before the colonial time or the state of somalia we all know who the inhabitants of the city were, so lets not kid ourselves. A[/quote]

KA: Xamar was under Geladi rule before the Italians robbed it in the 1860's so it should be given back to the Geladi right.

[quote="Somaliweyn"]First of all, there is no such thing called as Federal Somalia.

Somalia is like it was all those years, since it was created as a nation-state: the sum of Somali groups and their lands.

1991, this Somali state collapsed and every group went back to their regions.

Without doubt, a new Somali republic shall arise, but in the meantime it is imperative for Somali groups to try to coexist peacefully with each other, while every group takes care of the establishment of local institutions in their regions.

Mudulood occupies a very important place in this already complicated situation: The capital city happens to be in Benadir.

This together with the historical role played by Mudulood in the establishment of the first Somali Republic, only means one thing: Mudulood must be on the first line again when the Second Somali Republic is created.


And this is where Mogadishu comes into play. Mudulood needs to understand the responsibility which rests on their shoulders. The fact that Somalia is witnessing 16 years of problems is mainly because Mudulood has not grasp the obvious fact that they can make change, beginning with Mogadishu.


Mudulood should not only stop at Mogadishu, but look farther down...the occupation of Lower Shabelle needs to be put to an end.



Political leadership does not mean only that clan which has occupies the leadership role has the right to live in their. This is where the confusion comes into play.[/quote]


This guy for president. The problems around Xamar aren't really the Mudulood people. Its more Hawiye who aren't native to the land and just came their after the 91.

Shirib,

Xamar was never under the rule of the Geledi Sultanate. Xamar was divided into two sections, one controlled by Abgal around Shangani...the other was the classic stone-buildings section of Xamarweyne/Jajab which was inhabited by reer hamar and traders from the Indian Ocean.



Geledi Sultanate controlled only Lower Shabelle valley....and even this was possible with the alliance with Wacdaan and later on Murusade.

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Sxb Xamar was controlled by the Geledi Sultunate and yes their was an alliance with Wacdaan, Reer Dafeed, Murunsade, Hantire, but the city was controlled by the Sultun of the Geledi. Read up a little more its the truth.

They ruled Xamar for a lot shorter time then they ruled the Lower Shabelle though. I think maybe only 40 years as opposed 200-300 years in the Lower Shabelle. When Italian colonizers, and French colonizers came to Xamar in the 1800's both said Xamar was under the rule of the Geledi.

When the Italians were taking over the city was ruled by Geledi and so they destroyed us.

Too little too late Hawiye

Geledi Sultanate had influence on Xamar but this is not ruling it.

Anyways the alliance between Geledi clan and Wacdaan is the only long-lasting alliance in Somali history, it survived centuries...till this day their is friendly relationship between the two groups.


The only time the alliance was cooled off was when Wacdaan fought against the Italian colonization campaign of Somali lands in benadir coast while Geledi mainly chose to appease the Italians.

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I think the alliance still is somewhat intact.

The Italian colonization thing was actually overblown a lot. The suldan who was young at the time agreed to them but the other odayaal all refused. Many Geledi men were killed fighting the Italians all over the place.

Even the beef with the Biimaal was dropped as we allied to figth them gaalo cad Italians.

I'm not trying to brag wallahi but this is the truth.

My great granfather was one of the men who refused Italian rule and was leading people to fight them. He was kidnapped and taken to Rome. You can goo see his pictures in a museum at Rome I'm gonna go see it when i go to Italy.

Ofcourse, there were individuals fighting the Italians...but Geledi clan was organized along a sultan, he had power over the people...this was so because they were no pastoralist group who are independent minded.


I've read somewhere...that the only time the alliance was put on strain was when the Wacdaan decided to fight the Italians while the Geledi Sultan decided to appease them.

Hence the other historic alliance between Biyamaal, Wacdaan and other groups against Italian penetration of Benadir.

Aniga Waxaan la yaabay dadka lasoo taagan Gobolka Shabeelada Hoose (Marka, Baraawe, Afgooye) waa dhul Hawiye lol.. Ina lilaahi ...Ma anagaa waalan mise Cirka laga heesayaa. Gobolkaas dadka degen waxay u badan yihiin Digil iyo Mirifle, waxaa kaloo la dega Biyamaal iyo Jareer.

Instead of Adding Lower Shabelle, You should include Gal-Gaduud to the newly regional State.

[quote="ciyaal_warta"]gobelyso waa waxey itoobiya rabto..waxey rabtaa iney Sade land iyo hawiye land iyo harti land iyo isaaq land noo qeybiso ka dibneh na xakunto one by one waxay isticmaaleysaa fikradii gumeystihii hore ee aheed qeybi oo xukun (divide and rule ) marka wa in laga digtoonaadaaa somalaay


SOMALIWEYN [/quote]


Meesha ugu sareeysa baa ka fikireysaa waana arin fiican....That's good !