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Re: Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

Post by Somaliweyn »

It is ironic how when a Northeastern agrees with Twisted-Logic's post it become ''love affair between two clans''

While the creater of this topic is nonother than a Northeastern backing DS (Voltage).....while A.Yusuf and Hiiraale also go to Addis Abbeba....isn't this also: ''Put you to bed''-kinda story?

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Anyways, Twisted-Logic,

You should not spend time writing long essays, because DS-Voltage, is an excellent writer with vivid stories. One who has not read history or been when history was written would surely consume this vivid written accord by DS-Voltage. I am sure that fictional books like Harry Potter, play their role in his writing skills Surprised

Instead you should confront them with historical FACTS, which they cannot refute and hence quite.

FACT 1:

-Barre's regime fled Mogadishu on 26 Jan 1991.....
-Regrouped in March 1991, and staged a counter-offensive to retake Mogadishu Failed Attempt.

FACT 2:

-Barre's remnants went to Kismanyo, Gedo etc were they were busy preparing, while Morgan and others were busy buying weapons from the world market, ofcourse with the huge amount of stolen state money from the banks at the collapse of the government. These weapons came through Kenya, and were even supplied by South Africa (a regime facing collapse itself).

-November 1991: Mudulood vs HG, Aideed had the heavy weapons, Mudulood had the manpower. It was indeed a terrible clash of titans, with more than 14.000 dead, half the city empty. The warmachine of Aideed stopped and reduced to a mere militia.

Fact 3:

-April 1992, Barre's remnants bolstered by the newly bought weapons, and bolstered by the clash of the titans which in their eyes weakened Mogadishu's defence....waged the long-awaited offensive in which they came to Afgoye till they got defeated.

-April 1992, Although all Hawiye subclans defended Mogadishu (With HG-Mudulood burrying their animosity), only Aideeds group allied with diverse groups went after Barre till inside Kenya.

Fact 4:

-Aideed's group even went inside Kenya to hunt them down, at this time it became apparent for the Kenyan authorities that Barre had to go....Hence his flight to Nigeria.
-Aideed set up his HQ in Baardreere, while his group roamed Gedo and harrased them on the border of Kenya.

Fact 5:

-SNF regrouped, with Kenyan military assistance (since the Kenyans wanted Aideed out from their backyard), and retook Gedo after 8 months of occupation.
-Aideeds warmachine which was already weakened by the clash of titans, was still intact after Gedo campaign...hence why these people brag about Col.Shabel killed while on their side many also high-ranking officials died. Would Aideeds group otherwise wage a succesfull determined war against UNISOM/US...and defeat them if they were already ''weakened'' after Gedo campaign? All evidence these people have are folklore of a place they nicknamed ''lafo hawiye'' middle of nowhere Laughing This only shows their bitter failure, hence the naming of places to supposedly ''victorious battles''

Fact 6:

-Mudulood still controlled at least 10 out of 16, and harrased Aideeds dream of Presidency. When he set up his Salbalaar government, Mudulood waged both political, economic and military campaign against his ''government''
-This campaign culminated into the clash at the Airport, with Muse Suudi's militia and Cusmaan Cato engaging Aideed...and mortally wounding him.



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Those are the facts about 91 affaires and Mudulood's place...I also posted uncountable facts of Mudulood been the first Somali group to fight Italian expansion in Somalia.

Refute those facts with facts instead of vividly written fiction.
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Somaliweyn,

I know your backed into a corner, and I don't want to pile on, but I'll just make some final points. We need to wrap this up as we all have things to do. HG did not see or taste Xamar until the early '90s. Before that the Hawiye that lived there in large numbers were Murarsade and Muloduud. HG came from central Somalia, and took the most beautiful, important and strategic locations in the city. Hodan, Hawlwadag, black sea (yaqshid), Bakaara Market area etc. Muloduud were confined to Medina, Karaan along with the other most ugly ghettos of Xamar which they would sadly share with the minority Reer Xamar. Laughing

While Marexaan were busy cultivating an empire post civil war with UNPRECEDENTED land expansion, Muloduud was dying of rage, despair and hopelessness as HG from central Somalia were issuing manifestos in your region and cities (Shabeelaha hoose, Xamr). That had to hurt. Sad . Even Xawadle now are pushing Muloduud out of Hiiraan and massacring them. I really feel sorry for Muloduud as this abuse was going unchecked and probably would have continued until Captain Meles came to the rescue. My own aunt who was living in Xamar Jadid had to evacuate that neighborhood, and she found temperary refuge living in Medina with her Husband's family, as that is a safe Tigray freindly neighborhood that doesn't get shelled nor deal with any sort of insurgency. It is also worth noting that the TPLF first came set up base in Medina when they first came to Xamar as it was bang bang boogie from the first night I'm sure. Laughing

As for the other isolated flawed assumptions in your post, lets look at your belittling the USC defeat by saying that the likes of Shabeel (aun) died from our ranks. Col Shabeel was to the USC what Gen Ahmed Warsame, Barre Hiiraale were to the SNF. I Barre was like Caydid (aun) then Col Shabel was like Ahmed Warsame. Nobody nearly as important or high up in SNF leadership was killed like the number 2 in the USC was killed. The fact that the second in command would be abandoned, and Caydid (aun) would be mortally wounded shows the extent of the defeat. The counter attacks finally started there and ended with Mudug, Kismayo being retaken by force.


Anyway, Somaliweyn, if Muloduud were so victorious, why did you have to bring Tigray to fight your cousins? Confused
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Luq: "Anyway, Somaliweyn, if Muloduud were so victorious, why did you have to bring Tigray to fight your cousins?"

The same thing can be said about Marehan.. Remeber Barre Hureela's famous cry? Laughing
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Walahi no wonder some people dont like Habargidir, Caydid chasing people all the way into Kenya Laughing That man was something else (AUN)...


Also stop trying to create rifts between HG and Abgal, we have no problems with them, their our brothers, every qabil has traitors including ours....
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[quote="Somaliweyn"]It is ironic how when a Northeastern agrees with Twisted-Logic's post it become ''love affair between two clans''

While the creater of this topic is nonother than a Northeastern backing DS (Voltage).....while A.Yusuf and Hiiraale also go to Addis Abbeba....isn't this also: ''Put you to bed''-kinda story?

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Anyways, Twisted-Logic,

You should not spend time writing long essays, because DS-Voltage, is an excellent writer with vivid stories. One who has not read history or been when history was written would surely consume this vivid written accord by DS-Voltage. I am sure that fictional books like Harry Potter, play their role in his writing skills Surprised

Instead you should confront them with historical FACTS, which they cannot refute and hence quite.

FACT 1:

-Barre's regime fled Mogadishu on 26 Jan 1991.....
-Regrouped in March 1991, and staged a counter-offensive to retake Mogadishu Failed Attempt.

FACT 2:

-Barre's remnants went to Kismanyo, Gedo etc were they were busy preparing, while Morgan and others were busy buying weapons from the world market, ofcourse with the huge amount of stolen state money from the banks at the collapse of the government. These weapons came through Kenya, and were even supplied by South Africa (a regime facing collapse itself).

-November 1991: Mudulood vs HG, Aideed had the heavy weapons, Mudulood had the manpower. It was indeed a terrible clash of titans, with more than 14.000 dead, half the city empty. The warmachine of Aideed stopped and reduced to a mere militia.

Fact 3:

-April 1992, Barre's remnants bolstered by the newly bought weapons, and bolstered by the clash of the titans which in their eyes weakened Mogadishu's defence....waged the long-awaited offensive in which they came to Afgoye till they got defeated.

-April 1992, Although all Hawiye subclans defended Mogadishu (With HG-Mudulood burrying their animosity), only Aideeds group allied with diverse groups went after Barre till inside Kenya.

Fact 4:

-Aideed's group even went inside Kenya to hunt them down, at this time it became apparent for the Kenyan authorities that Barre had to go....Hence his flight to Nigeria.
-Aideed set up his HQ in Baardreere, while his group roamed Gedo and harrased them on the border of Kenya.

Fact 5:

-SNF regrouped, with Kenyan military assistance (since the Kenyans wanted Aideed out from their backyard), and retook Gedo after 8 months of occupation.
-Aideeds warmachine which was already weakened by the clash of titans, was still intact after Gedo campaign...hence why these people brag about Col.Shabel killed while on their side many also high-ranking officials died. Would Aideeds group otherwise wage a succesfull determined war against UNISOM/US...and defeat them if they were already ''weakened'' after Gedo campaign? All evidence these people have are folklore of a place they nicknamed ''lafo hawiye'' middle of nowhere Laughing This only shows their bitter failure, hence the naming of places to supposedly ''victorious battles''

Fact 6:

-Mudulood still controlled at least 10 out of 16, and harrased Aideeds dream of Presidency. When he set up his Salbalaar government, Mudulood waged both political, economic and military campaign against his ''government''
-This campaign culminated into the clash at the Airport, with Muse Suudi's militia and Cusmaan Cato engaging Aideed...and mortally wounding him.



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Those are the facts about 91 affaires and Mudulood's place...I also posted uncountable facts of Mudulood been the first Somali group to fight Italian expansion in Somalia.

Refute those facts with facts instead of vividly written fiction.[/quote]

Great summary! I am sure mr. Luq qaane can now emerge from darkness and into light! Laughing Laughing
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twisted_logic, lug_ganane, dalwladsade, somaliweyn

u all are mutherfukers. writing so much about what happend kumanaan years ago. war look at reality, were under gumeysi and ummada somalia are getting killed and u fukkers are talking about who killed who the most.

fukking useless mutherfukers
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^^

Alchemist,

Barre made that statement as an induvidual and at his boiling point, and any logical person knows that was not the line of Marexaan. However I'll tell you what the line of Salebaan is. After being at the bottom of the Hawiye food chain watching as the other HG would eat everything, they finally got in and xasuuqed Hawiye for a small price from AY. Infact the Salebaan interior minister today CONDEMNED Tigrays being dragged and when he was asked about the people being killed he said that anyone fighting the Government is fair game. In the meantime the Marexaan in Kismayo issued a statement saying that it was XASUUQ what happened in Xamar. Walle Salebaan are up their in patheticness with Muloduud. Alchemist run for your life. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing



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You see that is the difference between your merahan kids and me, i dont worship Gacmadhere but you worship your warlords... I'll admit his a loser gaal rac any day of the week...

Is a sin for any of you Xaran kids to just admit Hiireela is a small time traitor trying to be accepted by the major traitors....

Everyone knows 90% of Hawiye hate traitors thats why they try to take them out everyday while 90% of Merahen love their weak warlord wannabe traitors except a few mujahids who are fighting in xamar right now but you even hate them and mock them every day just because they refused to worship Hureela.. Confused

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Ceyr alone ruled Merahen before Ethiopia came in and everyone knows that. Very Happy
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^^

Alchemist,

Barre as a Darood is more prinicipled in regards to Hawiye then Salebaan let alone to a Marexaan. If you want to know why we respect Barre, know that he would NEVER sell Marexaan out for a post in the Government like Salebaan are doing down Laughing


The Salebaan Suldan and officials in the Governement are xasuuqing Hawiye for a peanuts. You have NO REASON to be pro Gacmadhere after he has made yours and his IMMIDIETE relatives, refugees in Afgoi drinking contaminated piss water, paying rent for shade and sleeping under the sun. I'm Pro Barre because for almost 20 years he's been working for Marexaan interest, while your adeer and entire Hawiye are sabatoging and barbarically killing each other for a FAKE Governemnt. Disgusting Wallahi down Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Luq... Dont die of cuqdad sxb we cool, nothing wrong with losing against 60 thousand Ethiopian soliders killing innocent civilians but all somalis know our history, how we chased your beloved leader into Kenya.

Hawiye is fighting Ethiopian army with American help...

While Merahan was always under the supervision of Ceyr. Very Happy
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^^

Alchemist,

Theres no cuqdad here sxb. I just can't believe how unprincipled you Hawiye are. Beenta iska daa you didn't lose to Amxaaro but called Amxaaro ON EACH other. The people that lost to Amxaaro were the shuhadaa in Idaale, Diinsoor of which I even had family that sacraficed their lives. However today you guys are killing each other for a fake Government. You didn't even answer my question. Why are you guys Salebaan, Muloduud,Sacad etc. killing each other using Tigray for nothing? Confused
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Alchemist,

Theres no cuqdad here sxb. I just can't believe how unprincipled you Hawiye are. Killing each other for a fake Government. You didn't even answer my question. Why are you guys Salebaan, Muloduud,Sacad etc. killing each other using Tigray for nothing? Confused[/quote]

Why did Hureela ask help from Jews to kill wadados who some of them happened to be Merahan?

Simple this has nothing to do with qabil but everything to do with a few criminals wanting power...
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^^

Alchemist,


Lets go out on a limb here and say that although Barre was Anti Xabashi, Pro ICU, Pan Somalia UNTIL ICU showed their true colors and Dahir Aweis sided with his nephew Indacadde in he and Barres dispute and used the entire ICU army which included Marxaan Itixaad units, Sh Turkis Shabab, Xaashi Ceyro to attack Barre. After this he became Anti ICU, but lets just assume that he said what he said not because of bitterness but because he hated Hawiye people. Thats STILL NOT as bad as a Hawiye-HG selling out and murduring his OWN brothers for peanuts. Wallahi if Barre was to xasuuq Marexaan the way Hawiey warloards xasuuqed their own people I would be on here everyday saying "Barre a shameless traitor" etc. Why? Because thats easy to do when its your own tol suffering. However you still didn't explain. How are Salebaan Suldan, TFG members, Muloduud TFG members supporing the murder of their OWN CLAN? The day Barre does that to Marexaan let me know,and I'll quit Somalinet that same minute. Laughing Laughing
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Alchemist,


Lets go out on a limb here and say that although Barre was Anti Xabashi, Pro ICU, Pan Somalia UNTIL ICU showed their true colors and Dahir Aweis sided with his nephew Indacadde in he and Barres dispute and used the entire ICU army which included Marxaan Itixaad units, Sh Turkis Shabab, Xaashi Ceyro to attack Barre. After this he became Anti ICU, but lets just assume that he said what he said not because of bitterness but because he hated Hawiye people. Thats STILL NOT as bad as a Hawiye-HG selling out and murduring his OWN brothers for peanuts. Wallahi if Barre was to xasuuq Marexaan the way Hawiey warloards xasuuqed their own people I would be on here everyday saying "Barre a shameless traitor" etc. Why? Because thats easy to do when its your own tol suffering. However you still didn't explain. How are Salebaan Suldan, TFG members, Muloduud TFG members supporing the murder of their OWN CLAN? The day Barre does that to Marexaan let me know,and I'll quit Somalinet that same minute. Laughing Laughing[/quote]


So your telling me that if Marehan waddad were some how to kick him out by force now he wouldnt run to Ethiopian help or cry to the Jews? If you honestly believe that than i can understand why all merahans view Sayid barre and Hurreela as sinless saints...

War their warlords, if is in their interest will kill their own brothers.. Hawiye warlords did it, Abdullahi Yusuf did it to his people and barre Hureela would do it in a hard beat...

Or you believe just because he is Merahan there is some special thing in his heart that just wont allow him? Laughing Walahi no wonder Africa is so behind cause the fockin people believe their leaders are all magical..
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^^

Alchemist,


Wallahi if Barre was to bring Tigray tomorrow and xasuuq Marexaan ANYWHERE CLOSE to the way Hawiye warloards are doing to their own people, I will want his head on a platter, and I probably wont' quit Somalinet beause I'll be here everyday cursing him. Admit it, the fact that its your kin that are suffering makes you more apt to saying 'So and So's a traitor'. If only everything was so convenient. Laughing Laughing
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[quote="Luq_Ganane"]^^

Alchemist,


Wallahi if Barre was to bring Tigray tomorrow and xasuuq Marexaan ANYWHERE CLOSE to the way Hawiye warloards are doing to their own people, I will want his head on a platter, and I probably wont' quit Somalinet beause I'll be here everyday cursing him. Admit it, the fact that its your kin that are suffering makes you more apt to saying 'So and So's a traitor'. If only everything was so convenient. Laughing Laughing[/quote]

If you know anything about Hawiye you would know that the last 15 years they were against the warlords hence they all supported the wadados against them

Why do you think the warlords dont care about the civilians cause they have more to lose than anyone else, if wadados come back thats it for them...

Why did they support the wadado werent the warlords also Hawiye? How come the people in puntland didnt support their wadado against Abdallahi yusuf?


Sxb the truth is there for anyone to see it.
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