Somalis leaving Islam

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

lil cutie... are you saying . we where all gaalo?

No newborn child is a gaal.

Then many factors depend on what you are througgh out your life.

[Lil_Cutie..]

[quote="Dr.Galbeyte."]lil cutie... are you saying . we where all gaalo?

No newborn child is a gaal.

Then many factors depend on what you are througgh out your life.[/quote]


Excuse me? Where did I say we are all 'Gaalo'? I said clearly, we were all born upon the "Fitrah" it's something in us ALL Muslim and No Muslim that knows there is only one God.

A person's clean and pure nature (fitrah) leads him to knowing Allah.

A Newborn has this, the parents have to call the Adhan and Iqamah into the childs ear straight away as the first thing they hear and InshaAllah follow the sunnah throughout thier life. A child may be born from a Chritstain family, but that child will still have the fitrah of Allah in them, the Adhan, Iqamah wasnt called and they may not have followed any of the Sunnah throughout the childs life etc wasnt followed however.. so techniqcally they are Christain but every soul Knows theres only one God. & Howsoever Allah wishes to REVERT he will. That is why when someone says the shahadah for the first time hoping to embrace Islam, we say they have REVERTED into Islam not Converted, because they always knew there was only one God Allah, so they have reverted back to that.


Again; Fitrah is known as-- A person's clean and pure nature leads him to knowing Allah.


Allah(swt) says: "Keep your face upon the true religion. This is the pure nature according to which Allah has created the people. There should be no change in Allah's creation. Truly, this is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 30, Verse 30

This nature has been runied by parents and teachers who taught them wrong things about Allah.




Abu Hurayrah(ra) and Al-Aswad bin Saree(ra) said the Prophet(pbuh) said: "Every child is born with the pure nature. It is his parents who then change him to a Jew, a Christian, or a pagan." Sahih Al- Bukhari

Hope you can understand this!

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

" techniqcally they are Christain " No buts ..thats all i wanted to hear

[Lil_Cutie..]

So how does that answer your previous Q "are you saying . we where all gaalo?"

You can't be a Christain and a Muslim, you can't be a Jew and a Muslim. Full stop. Islam is submission, you are enter whole heartedly. They are Christain because as the Hadith I illusted it at the bottom should explain it. Here it is a little longer..

In the context of the hadîth, according to Abû Haytham, fitrah means to be born either prosperous or unprosperous [in relation to the soul]:

‘And if his parents are Jews, they make him a Jew, with respect to his worldly situation; [i.e. with respect to inheritance, etc.] and if Christians, they make him a Christian, with respect to that situation; and if Magians, they make him a Magian, with respect to that situation; his situation is the same as that of his parents until his tongue speaks for him; but if he dies before his attaining to the age when sexual maturity begins to show itself, he dies in a state of conformity to his preceding natural constitution, with which he was created in his mother’s womb.’

UNTIL his Tongue Speaks for him.. Shahdah.?
Like I said; You can't be a Christain and a Muslim, you can't be a Jew and a Muslim. Full stop.

Now re-read my previous post and everything should make sense. If not, I will not argue.

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

Easy with the technical arabic terms there..

"Islam is submission, you are enter whole heartedly." Ah Finally something i can work with..
So dont you have to enter christianity and other religions whole heartedly?

My argument was based on , when a child is born ...up until they can make their minds up they are muslim as they'll enter Jannah if they die then.

[Lil_Cutie..]

I can't believe we are dicussing two different things. -- & regarding your Q; how can you disagree with the Hadiths I gave you? It's not what you think, its how it is, your point is invalid, you cant make things up in the deen. If you want to call that the Arab way.. so be it, Allah knows best.


May I also add that, with Allah's Mercy he lets those he wishes into Jannah, the Qur'an says it even if they arent/werent Muslim. (which I dont know too mucn about, because this is a complex subject) Basically, the people of the Book, meaning those that know theres a God. However, Allah does not however forgive shirkh, associating others with Him.
Anyways that is not the point, why risk being another religion or take it they will be fine every single one of them? (Allah knows best) The point is, Do you know the intensity of the hell-fire? Do you know the levels in Hell-fire? Do you know those who will enter Jannah first?Only the true believers of Allah and lived thier life in accordance to the Sunnah. The rest will go into the fire, and for how long is unknown, some May Allahs mercy will be taken out and go into Jannah, but why would you want to risk that? Like Hellfire is a short time, its nothing like this dunyah. Fix up man.


Why is that a technical Arabic term? Pardon YOU? There is plenty of verses after verses after verses that talk about Submission completely!!!

‘And who is better in obedience (in dîn) than he who resigns himself to Allah?’ (Qur'an 4:125)

‘There shall be no compulsion in obedience (dîn).’ (Qur’ân 2:256)


But Allah knows best.

[Dr.Galbeyte.]

Lil cutie horta maasha allah ..you seem to know alot about islam and i respect that.

But i meant Arabic terms like "fitrah" as in language .. not the other way around.

[Lil_Cutie..]

Ohh Ok. You got me upset man. I Apologies if I was rude in that case. Lol. But I only used that in the first post. ??

Hell fire is not a joke and we do not have a ticket to Jannah so easy. If every one was born a Muslim and is untill he dies and enters Jannah, then that would be too easy. There will be more people in Hell than Paradise, and theres a reason for that.

Fitrah btw, is hard to explain because it also means knowing right from wrong, having desires etc.. I don't know what word in English could describe it all.

[FAH1223]

[quote="sadeboi"]Honestly, some of you muslims who are attacking these non-muslims saying that they should be killed would not bring them back to the religion. Instead why don't you try to dialouge and ask why they left the religion and in return they can ask you why you are in the religion, the exchange of ideas and of tolerance is something Islam preaches shirb&fah so follow it.

X.playa and co. why did you guys leave Islam, clearly state your reasons instead of just saying its an arab religion. Because thats not a good reason, Islam means submission, the submission of one to god, Jesus, abaraham, and all other prophets were muslims and they were not Arab. The holy koran is a continuation of injiil, toraat, and subuur. They are all the word of God. Arabs do not make up the biggest Muslim population, indhayars do. What reason do you guys have to leave the religion? One could say that they are against the arabization of Somalis, and are against the adopting of arab culture. Because that is reasonable thing to say, and I believe in that too, but those cultural practices do not represent Islam and one should not define Islam because of that. Now can you guys explain why you guys do not believe in Islam?[/quote]

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yeah I'd love to hear their reasons, but X.playa always puts subtle jokes about Arabic reciting and culture, ect

he never has given a reason why

[kadarre]

A very good thread. What i notice these Agnostic/Atheist Somalis that they still into qabiil and have this notion that Islam is for Arabs and by Arabs. |think they have interacted too much with the wrong kind of people while their imam was weak. It upsets when i see muslims converting to another religion or become faithless. Insha Allah they come back to the right path.

[Shirib]

[quote="sadeboi"]Honestly, some of you muslims who are attacking these non-muslims saying that they should be killed would not bring them back to the religion. Instead why don't you try to dialouge and ask why they left the religion and in return they can ask you why you are in the religion, the exchange of ideas and of tolerance is something Islam preaches shirb&fah so follow it.

X.playa and co. why did you guys leave Islam, clearly state your reasons instead of just saying its an arab religion. Because thats not a good reason, Islam means submission, the submission of one to god, Jesus, abaraham, and all other prophets were muslims and they were not Arab. The holy koran is a continuation of injiil, toraat, and subuur. They are all the word of God. Arabs do not make up the biggest Muslim population, indhayars do. What reason do you guys have to leave the religion? One could say that they are against the arabization of Somalis, and are against the adopting of arab culture. Because that is reasonable thing to say, and I believe in that too, but those cultural practices do not represent Islam and one should not define Islam because of that. Now can you guys explain why you guys do not believe in Islam?[/quote]


All 4 schools of Sharia law state that if one leaves Islam kill him so how bout we follow that.

[Shirib]

(This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

There is also the Hadith of Ibn Mas`ud that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "The blood of a Muslim individual who bears witness that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, is not to be shed except in three cases: in retaliation (in murder crimes), married adulterers (and adulteresses), and the one who abandons his religion and forsakes the Muslim community." (Reported by the Group)

If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?


Sade Boi: I think I'm following the religion pretty well.SO THE PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTACY IS DEATH. That is clear it is not my opinion.

[Ina Baxar]

It's always the same people that just hate no matter who!!
If it ain't arabs then it's darood, if not darood then another clan , so on and so forth !!
Arabs-->
btw anybody seen on TV that a higher court in Saudi Arabia is gonna overturn the sentence on that young shia girl gang raped in Saudi Arabia .?

[El Loco]

"All 4 schools of Sharia law state that if one leaves Islam kill him so how bout we follow that."

Kill, kill, kill.........always the same with you guys. How about just live and let live??

[Somali_4Life]

El Loco go kill yourself,will ya>>>