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Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:45 pm
by Koronto91
What else constitute akbar kufr (apostasy):

By examining this topic from different angels, it becomes clear that what is counted as kufr akbar is the following:


1. Abolishing shareeah as the law governing a country, as Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk) did in Turkey, as he abolished the book Majallah al-Ahkaam al-Adliyyah which was based on the Hanafi madhhab, and replaced it with man-made laws.

2. Abolishing shareeah courts.

3. Imposing man-made laws, such as Italian, French, German law, etc., to judge between the people, or mixing these laws and Shareeah, as Genghis Khan did in his book al-Yaasiq, which combined laws from different sources; the ulamaa (scholars) ruled that he was a kaafir.

4. Confining the role of shareeah courts to so-called civil matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.

5. Setting up non-shareeah courts.

6. Discussing shareeah in parliament and voting on it; this indicates that implementing shareeah is conditional upon a majority vote.

7. Making shareeah a secondary or main source, along with other sources of law. Even when they say that shareeah is the primary source of legislation, this is still kufr akbar, because it means that they are allowing the adoption of laws from other sources too.

8. Stating in the clauses of legislation that reference may be made to international law, or stating in treaties that in the case of dispute, the matter may be referred to such-and-such non-Islamic court.

9. Criticizing shareeah in public or in private, such as saying that it is rigid, incomplete or backward, or suggesting that it is incompatible with our times, or expressing admiration for non-Islamic laws.

Source: http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=97 ... =governing

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:47 pm
by Ican
[quote="PINK_BUNNY"]Ican, comparing A/Y to Siad is like comparing Abraham Lincoln to George W. Bush, there is no comparison.[/quote]

So you have no problem with Siad massacring muslims because of their clan and inviting atheist communist ideology? I thought you supported shariah?

A/Y is the new Siad Barre: power hungry man.

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:47 pm
by American Salafi
Look I know I got you in a corner and when you get a cat in a corner the only thing it can do is Scratch.

There is a consenses from all the Ulama from the past and present that ruling by other than the shari'ah falls into two categories, as I stated early.

Your ignorant as hell quoted Ibn Abbas fully. Ibn Abbas divides the kufr into two. Kufr Akbar and Kufr asgar. All of the Ulama have also stated this.

Here is a fatwa from Ibn Baaz and sheikh albani and other scholars.

http://islamic-knowledge.com/Books_Arti ... Barjas.pdf

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:48 pm
by Koronto91
^LOOOOL.

Ibn Abbas said:

[Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.]

Refute it!

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:56 pm
by American Salafi
Wallahi I can't argue with you. I am quoting what Ibn Abbas said about the verse and how it should be understood.

Sinces you can't respond to what I stated. Let me ask you a question.

The prophet said in an authentic hadith which i think you know.

The prophet said the one who insults is brother than he is a sinner and who ever fights his brother than this is kufr.

In this hadith is the prophet talking about kufr which takes you out of the religion?

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:11 pm
by American Salafi
Koronto respond to my question.

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:36 am
by Hassan_Al_Basri01
Koronto al khariji.Itaqillah.

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:53 am
by Boqor__Daarod
lol advice muslim rulers? they know the relgion better then any of us and they choose the path of shaytaan and america. full stop

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:56 am
by HELWAA
American salaafi

You mention the prophets csw mony times and i dont see you typed even once ASW....


At-Tirmidhi recorded that Abu Hurayrah said:


"The Messenger of Allah said, May he be humiliated, the man in whose presence I am mentioned and he does not send Salah upon me; may he be humiliated, the man who sees the month of Ramadan come and go, and he is not forgiven; may he be humiliated, the man whose parents live to old age and they do not cause him to be granted admittance to Paradise."

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:58 am
by HELWAA
Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan at-Tirmidhi, and Sunan an-Nasa'i, recorded that Abu Hurayrah said,

"The Messenger of Allah said (csw): Whoever sends one salah upon me, Allah will send ten upon him."

Re: How to advise the Muslim Rulers?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:58 am
by WasteMan
American salafi ur not serious