damn fuleysana kuwanu ??

[Voltage]

Mjpride I don't need to convince you of anything who brought 4 Ethiopian companies to protect you in Gaalkacyo. I was writing this as the events were going on!


---"[quote="DawladSade"]^You're extremely retarded Sheikh. Maxaakiimta waxii la socdey ay iska soo hormariyeen were religious but misled Marehan and Ogaadeens who fought for them in Xamar. No strategy would work because it was not coventual tribal war, the enemy was really not the enemy but being used by the enemy. The situation would have been Marehan vs. Marehan which the Hutus would have wanted.[/quote]"---

http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 87&start=0

[MJ-Pride]

Shirib,
How about we call it a night? Its just a Muslim man telling another Muslim, MY ideology is better than yours and if you don't join me, I will attack you. There isn't one single Muslim country thats run by Shari'a. Even Saudi Arabia, its not run by Sharia.

The Hawiye can dominate and influence minor clans, but we are Majeerteenia. Either we sit and share the power, or you can go to hell

[Shirib]

If the Islamic Courts were a clan entity and not a legit Islamic force the US wouldn't be pooring money into destroying it. But some folks can't see past clan.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Shirib,
How about we call it a night? Its just a Muslim man telling another Muslim, MY ideology is better than yours and if you don't join me, I will attack you. There isn't one single Muslim country thats run by Shari'a. Even Saudi Arabia, its not run by Sharia.

The Hawiye can dominate and influence minor clans, but we are Majeerteenia. Either we sit and share the power, or you can go to hell[/quote]

Your bolts are little loose.

[Atomic]

Voltage

If all those 2000 merceneries, OLF, ONLF captured kismayo, then where were they when barre hiiraale came back with the TFG on Ethiopion tanks. I find it hard to believe that a man willing to go those extremes to get the city back would allow it to get captured because it would mean 300 MR would be killed.

TL

As I said before, I was a big supporter of ICU for what they did in mogadisho and that's it. That doesn't change the fact that within their camp they had warlords and were getting financial, possibly military support from foreigners. Calling a spade a spade is what I do best sxb and the ICU were from perfect.

[Shirib]

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Shirib,
How about we call it a night? Its just a Muslim man telling another Muslim, MY ideology is better than yours and if you don't join me, I will attack you. There isn't one single Muslim country thats run by Shari'a. Even Saudi Arabia, its not run by Sharia.

The Hawiye can dominate and influence minor clans, but we are Majeerteenia. Either we sit and share the power, or you can go to hell[/quote]

We can call it a night sxb. The reason a Muslim country isn't run by sharia is the same reason Somalia isn't, the west will poor money into destroying it, can u not see that.

Saudi Arabia was used to destroy the Ottoman caliphate so ofcourse it isn't run by sharia, they were what destroyed it.

Maybe some day u will see past Majeerteenia but in the mean time, have a good night.

P.s. I love Cadde Muse, he's the funniest politician on earth, may Majeerteenia continue to elect him, just for my pure amusement :).

[Atomic]

[quote="MJ-Pride"]
The Hawiye can dominate and influence minor clans, but we are Majeerteenia. Either we sit and share the power, or you can go to hell[/quote]

Co-Sign!

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Atomic"]Voltage

If all those 2000 merceneries, OLF, ONLF captured kismayo, then where were they when barre hiiraale came back with the TFG on Ethiopion tanks. I find it hard to believe that a man willing to go those extremes to get the city back would allow it to get captured because it would mean 300 MR would be killed.

TL

As I said before, I was a big supporter of ICU for what they did in mogadisho and that's it. That doesn't change the fact that within their camp they had warlords and were getting financial, possibly military support from foreigners. Calling a spade a spade is what I do best sxb and the ICU were from perfect.[/quote]

I guess you have the right to view the world through your lens. No matter how perverted they might be!

[Voltage]

[quote="Atomic"]Voltage

If all those 2000 merceneries, OLF, ONLF captured kismayo, then where were they when barre hiiraale came back with the TFG on Ethiopion tanks. I find it hard to believe that a man willing to go those extremes to get the city back would allow it to get captured because it would mean 300 MR would be killed.
[/quote]


Ican those who were here like Xplosive, Abdiwahab, remember how I told them that the RATIONALE that convinced Barre was that the OBJECTIVE of the ICU was Islam and that they would not mistreat our woman, as you know one of the biggest things that motivates clan wars is the fear of mistreatment of woman for the losing side, or steal our resources, etc. This is the EXACT reason why Barre Hiiraale even saw no need to take his wife because it was unimaginable for her to be unsafe with the ICU controlling Kismaayo. If you remember Barre was never opposed to the ICU ideologically and had full confidence in them since he even supported at times especially in the battle of Galgalato where the ICU would have lost to Maxamed Dheere and Bashiir Raage had he not sent help tto them. This was later admitted by Sheikh Hassan Dahir in his SHabelle radio 1 on 1 q and a sessions with Somalis across the world. Barre was just driven by pride and being squeezed into a political corner which he felt damaged his political bargaining power but really that was about it and it was not worth starting an al Itihad era fracture in your base. This man is a renknowned military tactian and always plans for the long run. He succeeded did he not? Isn't Kismaayo today under the control of his commanders and political system?

I wish they would join the resistance however!

[MJ-Pride]

Voltage,
Why are you hiding from atomic's question? If Hiiraale left kismaayo to spare the Marehan blood, whey did he came back riding on the Ethiopian tanks? He was prepared to kill his own kin

Also, still I don't see no sufficient evidence indicating that the ICU had large army outside of Kismaayo. I don't want you to quote yourself ya akhii

[Voltage]

Mjpride bro maybe English is too hard for you to comprehend?

Actually Barre did not come on Tigrey tanks to defeat ICU. The ICU had long departed from Kismaayo for Idaale where they were defeated and the ICU that had escaped Mogadishu prayed one friday prayer in Kismaayo and banded together in Jilib.

Even before Barre left Baydhabo, is forces who were in Beerxaani were policing Kismaayo.

THis was all an unfortunate time and may God have mercy on us all.

[wadaniweyn1]

Mjpride, Wadani, and Ican/Atomic-

First of all if you go back to our record even on Somalinet, on the SAME day the ICU entered Kismaayo (and this video is from that same day) I was here writing that the ICU did not enter the city but close to 300 militia composed only of Mareexaan that was with the ICU had entered the city to "placate" the tribal sentimentalities that would plague a perceived invasion by outside clans.

The NIGHT BEFORE the invasion happened, I was on record here saying the ICU had decided to only allow a 300 or so Mareexaan contingent of their forces to enter the city. This was in line with their policy of always letting clansmen go in and placate the situation. I was also siting here and writing that the Mareexaan odayaal had reached a CONSENSUS and told Barre Hiiraale their "lost" boys must not be carelessly killed because of the "enemy's strategy" so he must peacefully leave. If Barre Hiiraale were to stay and fight them, the people who would have been in the frontlines against him would have been those 300 "misguided" (as the odayaal called them) boys of theirs and under no circumstances did the odayaal want to see a repeat of the Al Itihad wars in Gedo which pitted father and son, brother and brother against each other. These were boys that were led by the ICU commander in Iidaale, Abdullahi Ejka and "Ugaas" Maxamed Weli.

Also at that time, commanders of Barre who had beefs with him such as Col Abdi Cigaal and others who had ideological reasons like Col Aar Fanax did not fight and purposely stayed put in their houses and told their sub-clan militias to stay in their houses! These were the same men who would get fed up with the ICU when it started arresting the Mareexaan women who were angry at the way Barre was treat and started leaving the city to garrison themselves in a town called Beerxaani. These were the guys who used to attack the city at night continuously and one time bombed an ICU barracks killing many. An incident that made the ICU accuse Barre Hiiraale's wife and arrest her temporarily.

I was on here writing this.

SO if this Reuters news cast of that same day speaks of the close to 300 militia that had entered on that first day, they are not lying but they of course would not have understanding of the clan differences and the secret strategies being played that time. What they do not know and of course cannot then describe is the thousands of ICU soldiers mainly of Ogaden and Hawiye led by Hassan Turki who did not enter Kismaayo until the SECOND day and the 2,000 mercenery soldiers from the OLF and Eritrea with them that was even described by the U.N committee of the arms embargo. {quote} voltage .


waryaa don't take this thread too seriously brah , i just made it up to check the loyalty of my majeerteen wives like mj pride, atomic and others , judging by there loud cheerleading for me in here i'm pretty satisfied with there loyalty to me ..lol secondly a majeerteen calling marexaan coward is like the kettle calling the pot black .. lool. just ask urself wat's the first thing to come to ur mind when you hear the word majeerteen >>> cowardice , treason , foreign loving , slave minded , dhiilonimo , biladaqaan .xabashii jacayl.

[The_Emperior5]

war merexaanku insercursana


war wiilkan yare eeh carabka weyn leh dhirbaaxa

[Goljano Lion]

[quote="The_Emperior5"]war merexaanku insercursana


war wiilkan yare eeh carabka weyn leh dhirbaaxa[/quote]

what the hell are these folks talking about...ma sheekooyin hoose baa, thank Allah i dont know nothing about southern Zoomalia politics

[Murax]

MJ Pride,

Saaxib you need to look at things a little more analytically than just qabil sometimes, and analyze the different factors involved. For one Marexaans in Kismayo (epicenter of MR politics) were always tilted more towards the TNG and sympathetic and supportive towards the ICU as they dominated it. Puntland, Majerteniya or whatever you call it were firmly TFG supportive. The Anti TFG rhetoric from the ICU managed to spur the entire Majerteniya against the ICU and considering Eithiopia's TFG support any attack on Galkacyo, Baydhabo was going to be met with disasterous force from the TPLF. No idealogically I do agree 100% that is is NOT the manhaj of a Muslim to attack another Muslim and say ""WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE DEEN TO KISMAYO, JOWHAR, GALKACYO" AS IF THE PEOPLE IN THOSE CITIES ARN'T MUSLIM! As for Barre, sxb don't worry about him. At the end of the day he maneuvered and had the last laugh as he got everything back on a silver platter. Do I like that it happened like that? No! Barre was a Man who was Anti Xabashi to the core and even refused to use them in Buaale when the Eithiopans offered him thousands! They wanted to use the "Defense Minister authorized this" card yet Barre refused and fought them with only 300 Men and was defeated. In Barre what I saw was a Nationalistic Man who was pushed to the extreme and finally snapped. However You must remember one thing: Barre at his absolute worst is still better than a lot of People at their best. He's refused to take part in the Xamar madness etc.

The ICU had good people in it as well as clannists and oppritunists. I think the ICU although they did many great things, are an exhibit of what is wrong in a lot of our Islamic work. Islam cannot be implemented by a Top-Bottom model bot a Bottom-Top! The reason the Culema like Sh Albani (Raximahullah), Cumar Faaruuq, SSh Ibn Bazz etc. (Raximahullah) emphasizied the Sunnah over and over again is that they know that ONE generation of Muslims on the Sunnah will revolutionalize the whole world! Nothing happens in one night and the lack of patience of the ICU cost them dearly. If they stayed in Benadir, no Eitho troops, no war, reconciliation and all of Somalia would come into the fold by now. Inshallah something to learn from.