AbdiWahab, what do u want

[Digital-Infidelity]

Sadeboi,

You are very good at running in circles. The debate is about how Darood have worked with colonizers hand-in glove simply to score brownie-points against Hawiye in a direct contradiction of your early assertions that Darood have always fought for Somalia and placed country first

You have yet to refute the assertions that

1) kenadiid and his people eagerly embraced Italian colonization if it meant settling old scores against Hawiye
2) That the Boqor of Majerteen married his daughter Amina to the English officer in order to win favors for his clans.
3) That while you rhapsodize about a non-existential myth of Darood fighting for Somalia, that your very own Marehan forefathers were signing plea letters to the English to help them gain the upper-hand in Somali politics.

So, don't humilate your-self any-further. If you can refute those claims point by point do so. Again, you are a clear example of the old wisdom, "empty vessel makes more noise." So as I said earlier, you can twitch and wince all you like. The facts won't go away because they scare you. Take baby steps and eventually you'll end up in the real world. 'a scary place to be but the good thing about it is, its not imaginary.

[sadeboi]

Clearly a white flag raised!

1) kenadiid and his people eagerly embraced Italian colonization if it meant settling old scores against Hawiye

I have already explained the difference between Kenadiid cooperation and Hawiye submission to the Italians. Secondly, unless the Sultan of Zanzibar war hawiye then I don't see how this has anything to do with Hawiye! There is no argument, what old score did kenadiid have with Hawiye, by that time he was still governing the Habergider! The Hawiye clan does not even pertain to kenadiid and Italian cooperation, nor the Jubbaland chiefs article. Injecting in your clan where it is not! The only Darood to have contacts with Hawiye that time was Kenadiid, and I assure you the Habergider he governed were not Sultans of Zanzibar!!!!

2) That the Boqor of Majerteen married his daughter Amina to the English officer in order to win favors for his clans.

Again, in your undocumented source, it does not speak anything of the boqor giving his daughter way or anything you said!

3) That while you rhapsodize about a non-existential myth of Darood fighting for Somalia, that your very own Marehan forefathers were signing plea letters to the English to help them gain the upper-hand in Somali politics.

Kid, Sayyid Cabdulle Xasan, Cali-dhuux, the Darawiish, and the Marexaan resistance (which sources were provided on here) are non-existential? About the Marexaan forefather, a simple comma and second reading were all that was needed for you to understand what those source in the most simplest form said!

Now, kid, I have presented sources, refuted all your points, and you FAILED to answer any of mines. The best thing would have been to disperse along with xidigow and abdiwahab!

[Digital-Infidelity]

This is what you call "facts" dodging questions and drawing conclusions based on your own fantasy? Listen kid, I am not going to waste my time going back and forth with you. Here are the facts, chew them or leave them.

We returned to Alula, both angry, and the doubt and suspicion grew until like the kherif outside, they screamed through my tortured mind that my love meant nothing to her, that she really loved Sheik Abdurraham Mursal's son and that she was just a tool of her father, the Sultan, and was merely pretending a love of make-believe in order to further the ends of her tribe.

A Tear For Somalia By Douglas Collins

So don't come around and twitch the facts and say stupid things like, "Again, in your undocumented source, it does not speak anything of the boqor giving his daughter way or anything you said!" It is not my fault that you have a clear problem with basic comprehension.

Second point, Marehan were involved. Quit running around and crying comma this comma that. Even if we ignore the weird comma you talk of, the second paragraph starts with:

"In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.."

So, as I said earlier, you REALLY have to read the section on grammar usage in your college handbook or else ask a teacher to sit you down and give you an extended lecture on it (I am guessing its going to take quite some-time for the message to sink through though). You won't be making ridiculous comments like, " a simple comma."

So once again, you seem so unversed in history and critical reasoning that you see it as everything as one big monolith. Either ask for a major refund for the missed lessons in High School English classes or start using your brain and try to comprehend the magnitude of your forefathers professional bend-over for the British to score some petty clan-politics points. Never come to me with your childish comma talk and derail the essence of the discussion. I will call out your folly and continue to take-apart your ridiculous claims that are grounded in anything but reality.

[sadeboi]

There is no passage from the actualy source, you seen this from a blog and source blog then posted here. Regardless, you are just trying to cover your ass so you can exit with some dignity intact!

Now just one more time SIMPLETON:

You already ran to this statement and then you were put in your place because you did not read:

We, the Somali of Jubaland, both Herti and Ogaden, comprising all the tribes and including the Maghaubul, but not including the [Tolomooge] Ogaden, who live in Biskaya and Tanaland and the Merehan, desire humbly to address you.

This was the statement in which your eagerness to find anything against Marexaan lead one to question your grammatical skills.

Now you posted another statement:

"In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.."

Retard how does show Marexaan involvement with the colonialist aka GOVERNMENT (in the statement)??????

[Digital-Infidelity]

HUH This doesn't show "Marexaan involvement with the colonialist aka GOVERNMENT"

"In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.."

As I said, you need to ask for some refund

The source is a legitimate one and just because you are not aware of it doesn't diminish its merit. Your critical analysis is completely defunct. Both the book title and the author were provided, don't fault me if the cold-hard facts don't sit well with you

and oh plz, me backing off from a debate? You should know better

[sadeboi]

Ok, lets see how slow this kid.

PLEASE, I beg you to explain that statement, what the meaning is. And what exactly it says of Marexaan on that statement!!

We, the Somali of Jubaland, both Herti and Ogaden, comprising all the tribes and including the Maghaubul, but not including the [Tolomooge] Ogaden, who live in Biskaya and Tanaland and the Merehan, desire humbly to address you.



In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

PLEASE explain what is being said of Marexaan on here Inanlilah and YOU go to college???

[Shirib]

who ever thought nomads to read aa qaladka leh

[sadeboi]

Shirib this debate is done lakiin do me one favor....what does quote say about Marexaan???

In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

I want to see if its I who can't read or TL

[Digital-Infidelity]

Ok, lets see how slow this kid.

PLEASE, I beg you to explain that statement, what the meaning is. And what exactly it says of Marexaan on that statement!!

We, the Somali of Jubaland, both Herti and Ogaden, comprising all the tribes and including the Maghaubul, but not including the [Tolomooge] Ogaden, who live in Biskaya and Tanaland and the Merehan, desire humbly to address you.



In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

PLEASE explain what is being said of Marexaan on here Inanlilah and YOU go to college???

The letter confirms what we have been saying all along that Marehan elders were party to the signing of that letter. I can't even believe we are arguing about this. What part of the following statement don;t you understand?

In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

And you have to guts to even question some-one else's comprehension capacity when you can't even understand the basic idea of the above statement. You are losing your senses here. I actually advice you to copy that letter and take it the grade-school teacher who taught you how to read and write. You are due for a major refund

[Digital-Infidelity]

Shirib this debate is done lakiin do me one favor....what does quote say about Marexaan???

In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

I want to see if its I who can't read or TL

I seriously recommend you to take a cold-shower now.

[Shirib]

Shirib this debate is done lakiin do me one favor....what does quote say about Marexaan???

In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

I want to see if its I who can't read or TL

it says in the past somali's fought against the government and now more recently marehan have fought against them

[Digital-Infidelity]

Thank you Shirib now add the following statement to it and you have a magic explosion

Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished.

[sadeboi]

Shirib, does it say anything about Marexaan working with the colonialist? Does it even allude to it or does it stop at, "Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government."???

One more thing...explain what this says:

We, the Somali of Jubaland, both Herti and Ogaden, comprising all the tribes and including the Maghaubul, but not including the [Tolomooge] Ogaden, who live in Biskaya and Tanaland and the Merehan, desire humbly to address you.

[Digital-Infidelity]

@ how desperate you are SB.

The statement clearly says Somali clans including Marehan have fought against the British, but have now decided to stop their FITNAH and work for the British. How hard is it to grasp that fact unless the truth is a bitter bill to swallow

[neocon_2007]

Hawiye still licking there wounds from Kenadiid. Their history began with USC, mooryanism and Ethiopian occupation. Maxamad Harti are the natural leaders of Hawiye.