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AbuShabab wrote:

Dr Qaldan Blake wrote:Incompatible with the todays world!

You're mistaken. The 7 century is the era when the prophet (salalaahu calayhi wasalam), Sahaba and best Muslims lived. Living how they lived is what formed the scientifically/technologically/militarily advanced Islamic Caliphate. Muslims tried to live other ways (like socialists, communists, liberals, democrats, anarchists, etc), but they failed to advance.

scientifically developed? up to? did they produce oxygen.
technologically developed?up to? did they produce a mouse
militarily developed?up to? did they have a pistol

Something that annoys me is when some dudes say Muslims(here they mean Arabs) where developed in the 7th century

Notice Somaliweyn, the silly and very known pan-Hawiyist attacked me on things that are fact: nominanally that the defunct ICU was composed of hypocritical Hawiyes whose hypocrisy would not let them endure the sacrifice and that Al Shabaab is the resistance, was the resistance, and will be the resistance even with the complete hatred and ire from the Hawiye clan. Cry to the wind not the honest and objective observer here!


Patriot for as long as I can remember you have been telling me to be "more like" Warsame and from a guy that is supposedly with the resisitance, I wonder why you would be saying that and then I realized it is for your own ego and grandiosity. Have all the Sade hating the change in Kismaayo so you can claim it as some Ogaadeen "accomplishment" eh? Makes your clan bravado attempts all the much easier so maaha?

Here's the thing, cidna haygu oran taageer, cidaan rabaa taageer and cidaana rabana waaba taageerayaa. Deal with it and realize you are only nominal in the whole scheme of things.

Mr Bile wrote:scientifically developed? up to? did they produce oxygen.

They laid (over the following centuries) the foundation for producing oxygen.

technologically developed?up to? did they produce a mouse

Clarify what you mean by producing a mouse.

militarily developed?up to? did they have a pistol

They fought with and improvised the arms/weapons that were available at the time. They defeated nations & empires, and vastly expanded the Muslim world.

Something that annoys me is when some dudes say Muslims(here they mean Arabs) where developed in the 7th century

Muslims in the 7th century (and over the course of centuries) were developed compared to other nations and people. Muslims declined when they abandoned (or forced to abandon) Shariica for man-made systems (i.e. secularism, Democracy, Communism, Socialism, capitalism, etc).

Voltage,

Al-Shabaab are making the same classic mistakes that the Taliban and other Jihadi groups have made in the past. Unless they revamp their strategies and adapt their tactics, they will not succeed.

Classic Jihadi Mistakes:

-Emotions dictating actions.

-Short-sighted fundamentalism.

-Mixing up of priorities.

-Lack of long-term, reasonable plans.

-Finger pointing and war rhetorics that make no sense.

-Using failed war tactics and refusing to play international politics.

When the enemy is stronger than us in both weaponry & economy, Muslims have to lax their seef-labood mentality and play to the tune of the enemy until we reach a point where we can be more successful.

Men like Abu Mansuur are taking a defeatist stance and damning many to the same fate.

I agree, their actions are not always wise but it is the reach of their actions that is being discussed and that reach is quite powerful.

Kolombo wrote:Al-Shabaab are making the same classic mistakes that the Taliban and other Jihadi groups have made in the past. Unless they revamp their strategies and adapt their tactics, they will not succeed.

Mistakes are made to gain experience. Al-Shabaab didn't claim to be professionals. The Taliban have learned from their mistakes, as they have become sophisticated and professionals (refer to what a high-ranking British commander recently said about the impossibility of defeating the Taliban). In the long run, Al-Shabaab will become sophisticated and professionals, insha'Allah.

Voltage,

I share your point that their reach is being felt throughout the land. However, at a time like this, unifying all the rebel groups should be the aim, not causing divisions and finger pointing. I admire their conviction and wish them success, but I can't help but feel that they're falling in to the same path that have failed others.


Abu-Shabab,

I've always supported Maxaakiimta including Al-Shabaab, but I'm not blinded to realize that their tactics are not as effective as they should be. When I see Abu Mansur critisizing other Maxaakiim officials, it only kills the morale of their supporters. There are times to be out-spoken & times to keep silent. I pray they learn from their mistakes and adapt.

I agree with Kolombo.

However in these troubled times we need men like Al-Shabaab more than ever, men that can guarantee us the destruction of the Tigray Ethiopian Army.

Kolombo wrote:Voltage,

I share your point that their reach is being felt throughout the land. However, at a time like this, unifying all the rebel groups should be the aim, not causing divisions and finger pointing. I admire their conviction and wish them success, but I can't help but feel that they're falling in to the same path that have failed others.

Excellent point.

Hence why I said that the emotional unstable character of Voltage is of no benefit to the resistance movement, but a handicap to the cause of the resistance movement.

Here he opens a topic in which he said things that were clearly aimed at disrespecting the resistance movement by dividing and playing out elements of the resistance movement.

Now ask yourself a simple question,

In who's advantage is this topic? Is it not supporting the PR of those that are on the wrong side, i.e supporters of the puppet regime and their ethiopian masters?

This Thread is evidence that Somalia is doomed for eternity. Do you people realize how many people are dieing every day because some of you sit in here in the west and are funding this massacre.

Voltage wrote:

Patriot for as long as I can remember you have been telling me to be "more like" Warsame and from a guy that is supposedly with the resisitance, I wonder why you would be saying that and then I realized it is for your own ego and grandiosity. Have all the Sade hating the change in Kismaayo so you can claim it as some Ogaadeen "accomplishment" eh? Makes your clan bravado attempts all the much easier so maaha?

Here's the thing, cidna haygu oran taageer, cidaan rabaa taageer and cidaana rabana waaba taageerayaa. Deal with it and realize you are only nominal in the whole scheme of things.

So you mean Marexan have accomplished anything in Kismayu? Who is the guy who stated on throwing stones when you call Ogaden Fake and a muriyan from Galgadud as culama?
the only reasonyou support The Shabab i cause only reer Koshin were Karbashed if it was reer Siyad you will be singning in a different tone.

King-of-Awdal wrote:This Thread is evidence that Somalia is doomed for eternity. Do you people realize how many people are dieing every day because some of you sit in here in the west and are funding this massacre.

I agree !!
These people will NEVER succeed .
JUst like an addict tends to run away from addressing the real problem {his behaviour and life style} and always wants to blame his environment or the whole world for his shortcomings > Somalis are addicted to tribalism .
The faster they recognize it , sit down , talk and try top work something out , the better off they will be .
case in point --> :somaliland:

Allahu Akbar !

"JUst like an addict tends to run away from addressing the real problem {his behaviour and life style} and always wants to blame his environment or the whole world for his shortcomings"

sahan you seem know the side affects of adiction all too well,personal experience perhaps

affirmative ! , if only ya'll knew how visibilty gets a lot better @the end of that tunnel .

This is blasphemous!

In my book, modern Somalia includes only one contestant and that is the Revolutionary government of Siad Barre (AUN). Siad Barre built Somalia from scratch into Africa's most powerful country. It's scandalous to put these amateur wannabe Alshaydiins on the same pedestal as Somalia's greatest hero and his Revolution.