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[Cawar]

Somaliwayn

I know that the overwhelming majority of somalis are somehow biased towards their qabil..and thats somewhat a given..

But..I mistook you for someone with a grain of objectivity.. I was wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing others of..
Namely the MR folks here.. why dont you follow your own advice??

Why do you care if they worship, respect or whatever ..him?? what makes you say its a Action/Reaction thing??
Are you saying..your analysis are based on how they are reacting?? or anyone who supported MSB aun is acting??

One has to have a set of principles, some objectivity and yes some bias but also some logic to back it up..

How can anyone with objectivity deny or dance around the facts?? when Xamud has repeatedly asked you a simple Q??
Where was your objectivity then?? why did you have to go back and twist everything on Siad??

In order to be taken seriously..one has to answer first, and then add whatever he or she may think attributed or facilitated that to happen and you clearly failed to do that several times.

[Voltage]

Somaliwayn

I know that the overwhelming majority of somalis are somehow biased towards their qabil..and thats somewhat a given..

But..I mistook you for someone with a grain of objectivity.. I was wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing others of..
Namely the MR folks here.. why dont you follow your own advice??

Why do you care if they worship, respect or whatever ..him?? what makes you say its a Action/Reaction thing??
Are you saying..your analysis are based on how they are reacting?? or anyone who supported MSB aun is acting??

One has to have a set of principles, some objectivity and yes some bias but also some logic to back it up..

How can anyone with objectivity deny or dance around the facts?? when Xamud has repeatedly asked you a simple Q??
Where was your objectivity then?? why did you have to go back and twist everything on Siad??

In order to be taken seriously..one has to answer first, and then add whatever he or she may think attributed or facilitated that to happen and you clearly failed to do that several times.

Simply well put.

[Voltage]

Yes,Somalia must never forget that defeat.

Cuba Naas dheer, meesha isaga carar yaanan naasaha lagaa gooyne.

That guy is so annoying, Look at how many times he responded with the single and very simple-minded statement.

[S-D-M]

Somaliwayn

I know that the overwhelming majority of somalis are somehow biased towards their qabil..and thats somewhat a given..

But..I mistook you for someone with a grain of objectivity.. I was wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing others of..
Namely the MR folks here.. why dont you follow your own advice??

Why do you care if they worship, respect or whatever ..him?? what makes you say its a Action/Reaction thing??
Are you saying..your analysis are based on how they are reacting?? or anyone who supported MSB aun is acting??

One has to have a set of principles, some objectivity and yes some bias but also some logic to back it up..

How can anyone with objectivity deny or dance around the facts?? when Xamud has repeatedly asked you a simple Q??
Where was your objectivity then?? why did you have to go back and twist everything on Siad??

In order to be taken seriously..one has to answer first, and then add whatever he or she may think attributed or facilitated that to happen and you clearly failed to do that several times.

War heedhe anigu Somalida ma'aamino. Wax kale iskadayee waxaan joojiyey markaan Masaajidka aado inaan nin Somali kudaba tukan. Yaa og waxuu leyahay...."ILaahow kan iga danbeeya reerkiis (qabiilkiss) laa"

[Somaliweyn]

Somaliwayn


But..I mistook you for someone with a grain of objectivity.. I was wrong. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing others of..Namely the MR folks here.. why dont you follow your own advice??

Cawar, it is better to read first what has been said by whom before putting forth your view.

As you could have read clearly on page 3, this is what Sadeboi accused me of:

and you just wanted Aden Cadde to be named the best president because he is from the udejeen clan as you, but mind you he achieved not when compared to late president!

After that, I rebuffed his cheap accusations by pointing to the simple fact that the worshippers of Barre happen to hail from the same clan. Is it a coincidence that none of Warsame, Voltage, Xoogsade, Sadeboi and every single individual hailing from that group to never critize Barre's regime?

If you call that objectivity, then I am not that.

As for Xamud's question,

It was irrelevant, since this topic is not about the destruction of Mogadishu but Barre's regime.

[Voltage]

Bulsho!

[xoogSADE14]

TO: Cawar and all sane individuals partaking in this thread.

Dameerweeyne is the only one allowed to ask questions around here. Ujeejeen (or whatever they're called) are the best clan in Somalia, AUN Aadan Cadde did more for Somalia than AUNs Imam Axmed Gurey, Imam Nuur, Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xassan, Pres. Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmarke and Maj. Gen. Pres. Maxamed Siyaad Barre combined.

Dameerweeyne

Now go back to munching on your mankaal and being a menial laborer to the highest bidder like the donkey you are.

[Addoow]

Some pro-afweyne Kids still speak as if he is still alive.!

[xoogSADE14]

Some pro-afweyne Kids still speak as if he is still alive.!

And you still speak as if neither civilization nor Islam have yet reached you.

[luis1]

Somaliweyn:

I agree with you, Barre only brought destruction and death to Somalia.

[sadeboi]

To add to xoogsade....


raggow WABEEY WABEEY miyaan maanta oo dhan dhageysan kartiin....


people reap what they sow...LOOK AT MUQDISHO TODAY!!!!! Maj.Gen.Jalle Maxamed Siyaad Bare is gone...let them live in their "bliss"


Somliweyn...everything xamud said has to do with Somalia..you accused the late president of ruining Somalia...he did not make the civil war happen...nor did he destroy Muqdisho which the captial city and the main city that was destroyed and it was destroyed by none other then the dameers who were fighting him!

If he was too tight on power and corrupt and that was the cause of Somalis downfall then why after he left Muqdisho and even Somalia did Somali plunge into civil war. Why did the Hawiye clan come into power and attack Daroods, why did they inhumanely treat minorities the way they did, why did they turn the guns on each other and destroyed the city fighting for it, why did raxanweyns start getting in the roads for Daroods and killing fleeing families? If it was just ousting a bad "dictator" why did such events take place?

[Addoow]

well,we should avoid being emotional when we expose the true face of the dictator in a reasonable and accurate way.!
The barbaric actions of the late dictator Siyad Barre(AUN) against the Northern people are his undeniable legacy and He or anyone who supported his actions at that time should be heldd liable to the heinous crimes committed against the innocent civilians . However, Siyad Barre's barbaric actions were not confined only to the Northern regions only but he burned whole villages and destroyed water wells in central and south of the country as a punishment for those who bravely stood against his maniac rule.
it should be remembered that MSB (AUN) was often possessed by satan ,the phrase"aabe siyaad" refers to his satanist love for Glorification and praise.!
his clamour for power was unprecedented in the somali political history as he unlawfully claimed as the Life president of the people he governed.

[The_Patriot]

Siyad Barre become powerful when he started Somalinimo

Siyad bare become weak when he started Marexanimo

[luis1]

Somalia must forget Siad Barre,he is the past,everybody remembers Siad Barre by his failure in 1978.

I think he was a killer and a man who only brought defeat and death to Somalia.

[Digital-Infidelity]

leattle facts,


People who rant about MSB's achievements (if there are any) while conveniently ignoring the man's contribution to the destruction of the Somali State is clearly retarded. Not once had these members like Warsame, Voltage and Sadeboi EVER criticized the man. Not EVEN once. To them he is the incarnation of goodness itself and why not? Who would walk away from the 70s and 80s culture of Land-cruisers and Italian Villas earned at the price of Marxanimo. It seems that these Marehan teenagers are in a battle to write the entire history of Somalia with pathetic emotional out-bursts. So, lets get one thing right: History is a complicated and complex subject too great to be redrawn by a bunch of retarded teenagers.

Siyad Barre was the cancer of Somalia. He had sown the seeds of clan animosity in the Somali society when he pursued an alien concept of divide and conquer by arming rival clans to finish each-other off so that he did not risk the chance of losing his beloved presidency and the whole league of titles that came with it. This is the man who famously said in:

" I am sitting on a volcano, and the day I go, it will explode and no-one will be able to stop it. "

What this essentially meant was that since he had created this extreme culture of clan animosity and the psychology of, " my way or the highway," that Somali people were better off having him lead them or else the monsters that he had helped create during his 21 years of destructive reign will torment Somalia till eternity come and that is what happened. These are powerful words to remember. For people who say that he cared enough for Somalia to leave peacefully, it is not only a healthy dose of reality but a devastating slap in the face.

This is the man who gave the orders to bomb the second biggest city in Somalia to be leveled to the ground. The deep psychological scar it had left in the Somali armed forces is quite devastating. Think about a patriotic pilot who went through years of training to defend his country from external threats, be order to take-off from one part of his own country and bomb another. To those who are going crazy about the current saga of Somalis killing Somalis in a great game of clan-politics, this serves as a clear example of the culture this man has bred. Innocent villagers' wells were being systematically poisoned, their livestock destroyed and their women raped as a result of a collective punishment and punishment through guilty by association. Innocent people were being taken out of their houses in the dark of the night never to be seen for the simple fact that they happened to be educated and came from clan X.

In the end, like every petty despot the monster he had created destroyed him. He was ousted from power in disgrace by the barrel of the gun. Mengistu took the advice of the International Community and left his country shortly before rebels came to town. MSB waited till the rebels broke through his defenses in Mogadishu and then he sprinted away in fear. The rebel movements were not the cause of Somalia's destruction, they were the reaction of MSB regimes' oppression and persecution of the Somali People.

So, in short, MSB was incompetent, corrupt, bloodthirsty, power-hungry, criminally inclined, insane and cancer of the Somali Nation. The rebel movements made significant mistakes in the after-math of the defeat of MSB's regime as well which have exacerbated our problems. Even though, it was a case of right and wrong in the beginning, it descended down into a conflict of worse and evil and MSB and his perverted ideology were evil and both have cost Somalia dearly.

The legacy of the man is his destruction of the Somali State and his fathering of the gangster culture whereby every warlord aims to be like him and rule by fear and intimidation. To support him and his ideas is retarded and a clear case of what can happen when people mix facts and clan-emotions.

Ps

The contradiction in this thread is ridiculous. People who defend this man's dirty deeds and apologize/rationalize his destruction of the Somali State are AT THE SAME TIME the very ones who condemn the destructive circle of fortunes Somalia has found itself in the last 18 years. Quite laughable