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"The Hawiyah are doubtless of ancient and pagan origin; they call all Somal except themselves Hashiyah, and thus claim to be equivalent to the rest of the nation."
Using your logic - I can argue and say 1885 Hawiye considered non-hawiyes to be Inferiors.
Where does it say hawiye thought they were superiority, it says they CLAIM TO BE EQUAL to Darood!
Not saying I agree with you here, but I've heard this a few times now, what would some foreign government actually do with this genealogical data? Half the time clans aren't even organized along genealogical lines, it's useless information unless you're a historian.Jesteye wrote:James dahl is a white Canadian? Reading the name - I assumed he was a white. Or maybe a fan of someone named james dahl. Thanks for the info. And, please don't post your lineage in the website. If the man manages to collects all the Somali lineages. The man will have valuable information worth thousands of Dollars to western Anthropologist, Agencies and Organisations.
I warn you Qaxootis - In particular - this marehan fool using the user-name Voltage.
Jesteye wrote:I just finished reading article published in Journal of Social Identities, July 2006 by Virginia Luling Author-Anthropologist titled - Genealogy as Theory, Genealogy as Tool: Aspects of Somali 'Clanship'. The author points out the games Darod, Hawiye, Dir and the rahanweyn Play. And the made up crap people happily take as a fact i.e. Arab genealogy.
This is attempt to create a little discussion between the people claiming to be Somalis (Darod,Hawiye, Dir, Rahanweyn and So on). Many of you already know Somali elders manipulate and create names and new alliance. So, the questions is - Who's the real Somali? And who's the Somalitazed-Somali?
Somalis = Hawiye and Dir? Darod, Digil , Rahanweyn and others Somalitazed people/ Arabs?!
Traditionally, The name Somali belongs to the Irir-Somale (Vin: Somali Hawiye and Dir), and Elders from the clans that claim to be "Arabs" i.e. Darod, Isaq, Tunnis, and all the Qashins - say "Our Mother is Hawiye" Or "Our Mother is Dir"/ "Doobira Dir Aa nadhashay" / " Xalimo Hawiye Aa nadhashay -Abtiyal Aad so tihiin Ee nadaaya" And so on - in Order to claim the Somali name.
On the other hand, the Hawiyes and Dirs elders claim "Doobira waa naagtii Axmed" and "Kii Nabiga wax ka xaday waxbo Ii ma galin." The first quote Literally means "Doonbira is the wife of ahmed" referring to ahmed gurey And in fact, the name of ahmed gurey wife is donbira. And this questions the origin of the Daarood Clan. In 1975, Mohamed siad barre claimed "Daarood waa Aabaha Soomaaliyeed" And the Somali Revolutionary Council claimed the word "Somali" means "Soomaal." but If you divide any Somali/Non-Somali word you will get a new words i.e. Qabiil = Qab + iil. So, the question is - who's the real Somali?
Ask your Grand-father the meaning of the word Hashiyah. Hawiye st oped bullying daarood just 60 years ago. Ask, the Arab Salax, Jaajis, Galgale And your own fellow marehan Clan members the Rer Diini. Matter of fact, The rer dini can't enter their own ancestor Mr dini Burial Location.sadeboi wrote:"The Hawiyah are doubtless of ancient and pagan origin; they call all Somal except themselves Hashiyah, and thus claim to be equivalent to the rest of the nation."
Using your logic - I can argue and say 1885 Hawiye considered non-hawiyes to be Inferiors.
And Hawiye isn't a patriotic?!The Magnificent wrote:Jesteye wrote:I just finished reading article published in Journal of Social Identities, July 2006 by Virginia Luling Author-Anthropologist titled - Genealogy as Theory, Genealogy as Tool: Aspects of Somali 'Clanship'. The author points out the games Darod, Hawiye, Dir and the rahanweyn Play. And the made up crap people happily take as a fact i.e. Arab genealogy.
This is attempt to create a little discussion between the people claiming to be Somalis (Darod,Hawiye, Dir, Rahanweyn and So on). Many of you already know Somali elders manipulate and create names and new alliance. So, the questions is - Who's the real Somali? And who's the Somalitazed-Somali?
Somalis = Hawiye and Dir? Darod, Digil , Rahanweyn and others Somalitazed people/ Arabs?!
Traditionally, The name Somali belongs to the Irir-Somale (Vin: Somali Hawiye and Dir), and Elders from the clans that claim to be "Arabs" i.e. Darod, Isaq, Tunnis, and all the Qashins - say "Our Mother is Hawiye" Or "Our Mother is Dir"/ "Doobira Dir Aa nadhashay" / " Xalimo Hawiye Aa nadhashay -Abtiyal Aad so tihiin Ee nadaaya" And so on - in Order to claim the Somali name.
On the other hand, the Hawiyes and Dirs elders claim "Doobira waa naagtii Axmed" and "Kii Nabiga wax ka xaday waxbo Ii ma galin." The first quote Literally means "Doonbira is the wife of ahmed" referring to ahmed gurey And in fact, the name of ahmed gurey wife is donbira. And this questions the origin of the Daarood Clan. In 1975, Mohamed siad barre claimed "Daarood waa Aabaha Soomaaliyeed" And the Somali Revolutionary Council claimed the word "Somali" means "Soomaal." but If you divide any Somali/Non-Somali word you will get a new words i.e. Qabiil = Qab + iil. So, the question is - who's the real Somali?
TRUE!!
DAAROOD was "Somalitized", however he's more patriotic. He loves Somalia and will never seperate it, or sell it. Weird, ain't it @ Jesteye
P.S: You forgot to mention Isxaq-clan family. And, if you're thinking that Isxaq is part of Iriir Samaale, than you're nothing but an pathetic donkey. Isxaq is NOT related to Hawiye or Dir in any way, shape or form. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR ANIMALISTIC HEAD !!!!
James Dahl wrote:Not saying I agree with you here, but I've heard this a few times now, what would some foreign government actually do with this genealogical data? Half the time clans aren't even organized along genealogical lines, it's useless information unless you're a historian.Jesteye wrote:James dahl is a white Canadian? Reading the name - I assumed he was a white. Or maybe a fan of someone named james dahl. Thanks for the info. And, please don't post your lineage in the website. If the man manages to collects all the Somali lineages. The man will have valuable information worth thousands of Dollars to western Anthropologist, Agencies and Organisations.
I warn you Qaxootis - In particular - this marehan fool using the user-name Voltage.
But HOW would it help them? What would they do with it exactly?Jesteye wrote:The data can help haters of Somalia i.e. Ethiopia. The data can help organisations like christian missionaries.
Jesteye wrote:And Hawiye isn't a patriotic?!The Magnificent wrote:Jesteye wrote:I just finished reading article published in Journal of Social Identities, July 2006 by Virginia Luling Author-Anthropologist titled - Genealogy as Theory, Genealogy as Tool: Aspects of Somali 'Clanship'. The author points out the games Darod, Hawiye, Dir and the rahanweyn Play. And the made up crap people happily take as a fact i.e. Arab genealogy.
This is attempt to create a little discussion between the people claiming to be Somalis (Darod,Hawiye, Dir, Rahanweyn and So on). Many of you already know Somali elders manipulate and create names and new alliance. So, the questions is - Who's the real Somali? And who's the Somalitazed-Somali?
Somalis = Hawiye and Dir? Darod, Digil , Rahanweyn and others Somalitazed people/ Arabs?!
Traditionally, The name Somali belongs to the Irir-Somale (Vin: Somali Hawiye and Dir), and Elders from the clans that claim to be "Arabs" i.e. Darod, Isaq, Tunnis, and all the Qashins - say "Our Mother is Hawiye" Or "Our Mother is Dir"/ "Doobira Dir Aa nadhashay" / " Xalimo Hawiye Aa nadhashay -Abtiyal Aad so tihiin Ee nadaaya" And so on - in Order to claim the Somali name.
On the other hand, the Hawiyes and Dirs elders claim "Doobira waa naagtii Axmed" and "Kii Nabiga wax ka xaday waxbo Ii ma galin." The first quote Literally means "Doonbira is the wife of ahmed" referring to ahmed gurey And in fact, the name of ahmed gurey wife is donbira. And this questions the origin of the Daarood Clan. In 1975, Mohamed siad barre claimed "Daarood waa Aabaha Soomaaliyeed" And the Somali Revolutionary Council claimed the word "Somali" means "Soomaal." but If you divide any Somali/Non-Somali word you will get a new words i.e. Qabiil = Qab + iil. So, the question is - who's the real Somali?
TRUE!!
DAAROOD was "Somalitized", however he's more patriotic. He loves Somalia and will never seperate it, or sell it. Weird, ain't it @ Jesteye
P.S: You forgot to mention Isxaq-clan family. And, if you're thinking that Isxaq is part of Iriir Samaale, than you're nothing but an pathetic donkey. Isxaq is NOT related to Hawiye or Dir in any way, shape or form. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR ANIMALISTIC HEAD !!!!
*Smacks the Qaldans face and says - sit down! - Carab sheegatoyahay!*
There's lot of evidence proving people claiming to be Isaaq today- half of them are Oromos and the other half Hashiyah. Even Isaaq Oral Tradition say - Half of Isaaq are half-Oromos i.e. Bah Habasha.
Matter of fact, the great Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi aka Ahmed Gurey asked Habar Magadle Isaaq taxation today claiming to be Isaaq. The religious Tax Pagan and Christian pay to the Muslims.
Now, Go and say "Jesteye Nabigaaga wasee." The first word Qaldan will say is "Nabigaaga Wasee." What a bunch of perfetional Prophet Mohamed (saw) Insulters.
Ps I don't view Isaaq As a clan but, A bunch of perfetional sheegatos. I'll wait the day you get hunger and start saying "Irirrow Gaajo Aa In heyso." Cuase you only admitt thing ... when your ass is hunger just like (Gaajo Ciidigale).
Dir Konfur or Arabs make your mind up -Sheegatoyahay!
