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Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:43 pm
by surrender
whats so funny anab?! 
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:44 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
stoning someone to death its unislamic. there is no place in quran whichs says if someone commite zina stone to death.
quraanka kumaba jirto in dhagax qof lagu dilo. quraanka waa cad yahay wuxuu dhahayaa karbaash qofkii zineeysta. mana la kala saarin inuu married yahay ama uusan guursan
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:45 pm
by Moha2
Kolombo wrote:Gifted wrote:Kolombo, so that hadith was saxiix..correct me if I'm wrong..did it not say she was also forgiven as she was punished on earth for her actions?
Here's the sahih hadith:
It was narrated that Buraydah ibn al-Haseeb said: A woman from Ghaamid, a branch of al-Azd, came and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, purify me!" He said, "Woe to you! Go back and seek the forgiveness of Allaah and repent to Him." She said: "I think that you intend to send me back as you sent Maa'iz ibn Maalik back."
He said, "What has happened to you?" She said that she had become pregnant as a result of zina. He said: "Is it you (who has done that)?" She said: "Yes." He said to her: "(You will not be punished) until you give birth to that which is in your womb."
A man from among the Ansaar sponsored her [i.e. paid for her needs etc] until she delivered (the child). Then he (that Ansaari) came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: "The Ghaamidi woman has given birth to a child." He (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said: "Then we will not stone her and so leave her child with no one to nurse him." One of the Ansaar stood up and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, let me be responsible for ensuring that he is nursed." Then she was stoned to death.
Narrated by Muslim, 1695.
that the hadith or the ruling exists is not arguable. what is questionable is whether this ruling was fair with this girl only when the islamic law is not fully enforced and the crime is prevalent. why only her? does the wadaad know other people in the community also commit this act and why are they not brought forth,is it coz some of em r family members? the prophet also narrated in another hadith that justice must be fully carried and that he wud even stoned his daughter fatima. many a wadaad among the authorities in Kismayo has his sister with a garac and that doesnt even need a witness, WTF,
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:47 pm
by Anab
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:48 pm
by Aliyah99
More barbaric things have happened in Somalia's recent history I agree with kolombo
However I share peoples uneasiness with shabaabs capacity to deliver Islamic justice properly.
It seems tho somalis are more incensed at somali on somali barbarism then ethiopian on somali barbarism
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:51 pm
by Kolombo
Moha2 wrote: many a wadaad among the authorities in Kismayo has his sister with a garac and that doesnt even need a witness, WTF,
Don't make false claims you can not back-up. Why would they choose to claim to be wadaado in order to get some action on the side? Does that even make any sense?
This girl confessed to them, went to them to seek expiation for commiting adultery while still married. Nobody sought her out or went looking through people's windows, she went to the qaadi & confessed on her own.
Regarding seeking hadd punishments for expiation, this is what the 'uluma agree on:
Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath (1/6): "What we learn from this hadeeth is that the carrying out of the punishment is an expiation for the sin, even if the one on whom the hadd is carried out does not repent. This is the view of the majority. It was also said that he has to repent-this was stated by some of the Taabi'een."
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:51 pm
by Ina Baxar
Kolombo horta adigu wadaad yaro iska qosol ah baad tahay
Arrintan miyaad ka soo hor jeeda
haa iyo
maya ?
Anigu waxan idhi
waa waali cad .
Maalin walba naag lagu dilo Somaliya waa jirta , naag la kufsado , la dhaco , laa dhaawaco ...etc..ect.
Ta la isku haysto waxa weeye , marka
dilku Magaca Ilaahey u hoos yimaado .
Magaca Ilaahey , haddaynu muslin nahay , waa inaga wada dhexeeya .
Iminka , haddi gabadh aynu isku
qabiil nahay la dilo , dee waan ka cadhoonaya .
Gabadhan
sidaa si le'eg , oo magaci Ilaahey , ilayn aniguba islaan baan ahay e , magaci Ilaahey baa lagu dilay
oo deetana la ina leeyahay , iyada ayaa inaga codsatay
Bal taas eega !!?
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:56 pm
by surrender
everyone deserves their punishment, and if these wadaado had a proof, whether it was four witnesses (which i always wonder, how would they know if these witness are trust worthy?), or if the girl comes foarward herself withouth being forced. whatever happened only allah knows the truth more. and may allah reward that girl. may she rest in J.fardadza. 
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:57 pm
by Somali_4Life
Those amongst muslims saying stoning is unislamic or barbaric are actually saying the prophet pbuh was barbaric or unislamic.
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:57 pm
by Moha2
Kolombo how sure r u that she wanted an expiation and that she voluntarily appeared in the courtroom wallaahi u first brought it as ur own guess in my presence and know u have made it the case
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:58 pm
by Niya
I haven't read the 10k pages. Was anything done to the man/men? Or is it as usual, religion is selectively applicable when the issue is controlling women?
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:59 pm
by Ina Baxar
Moha absolutely as if he was there !!
They expect us to say ..Oh Allahu Yaclam ..laakin iyagii supposedly the better muslims , they're absolutely sure about how it went down .
Wax inkaar qaba ayay noqdeen dadkani
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:01 pm
by Kolombo
Ina Baxar,
Naagtaan iyaada raggaan u tagtay, qof raadsaday ama daba dhigtay ma jiro. Maad runta sheegtaan?
It would be one thing if Al-shabaab were on a witch hunt, accusing women of commiting adultery, chasing them down just so that they could stone them, but none of that happened. The issue regarding this case should be "Are Al-shabaab a legitimate Islamic group to be handing out hadd punishments?" And the anaswer to that question can be found in the Islamic texts.
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:03 pm
by S-D-M
Somali_4Life wrote:S-D-M wrote:zulaika wrote:and where is the man she allegedly committed this act with? ma iyada kaligeed baa dhagax lagu diley?
The man was part of the Mujahidin. He needed a stress relieve so he can continue the Jihad..
Alhau Akbar
Your mockeryis described in noble quran:
Say, 'Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?' Make no excuse; you have disbelieved (i.e. rejected faith) after your belief
Parttime PC mujahid,
I know some of these so called mujahidin and believe me they are the ones that deserved to be stoned. They have raped and killed people before. Why don't they confess to their bad deeds and face the consequence.
Re: Kismayo wadaads stone girl to death
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:05 pm
by Diyeeshaha_Tolka
maanta meesha gabadha dhagaxa lagu dilay dadka iskugu yimid qaar baa ku dhintay oo waxaa xabada ku furay qaar ka mid ah ciidamadii meesha joogay..
marka meel sidaa dhiig muslimka loo fudaystay ayaa waxaa la leeyahay zinna baa laga hadlayaa marka koowaad dhiigyacabyada hala dilo bacdee kuwa kale haloo soo jeesado..
kolombo meesha cawa waa ku kaligaa