Re: (Al-Shabaab) stone girl to death

[Alluring]

The Hadith is not a source for conducting evidence in adherence to Islam. The Qu'ran does not need help to preclude what it wants to say. The Hadith was written by men, don't people mock the Bible for that reason as well, that it was written by men and men can change agendas based on their accord? Yes or No? Islam is about education, not ignorance.

[AbuShabab]

More evidence proves that people follow the Hadith than the Qu'ran. What is right the words of Allah (SWT) or article of books written 300 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

The Qu'ran does not need secondary sources. The Qur'an is the ONLY source.

Get you info right. Hadith aren't article of books written 300 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hadith are:

oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

[Alluring]

More evidence proves that people follow the Hadith than the Qu'ran. What is right the words of Allah (SWT) or article of books written 300 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

The Qu'ran does not need secondary sources. The Qur'an is the ONLY source.

Get you info right. Hadith aren't article of books written 300 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Hadith are:

oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

LOL@ getting information from wikipedia. Listen, kiddo. It was written 300 years ago AFTER nabi Muhammad (pbuh), and it is interpretations based on what they believed our Nabi would do in circumstances. I would suggest, once in awhile reading the Qu'ran.

[FAH1223]

The Hadith is not a source for conducting evidence in adherence to Islam. The Qu'ran does not need help to preclude what it wants to say. The Hadith was written by men, don't people mock the Bible for that reason as well, that it was written by men and men can change agendas based on their accord? Yes or No? Islam is about education, not ignorance.

The Hadith is not the same as the Bible.

Again, the Qur'an does not specify what the five daily prayers are. You cannot fine a single verse in the Qur'an telling you to pray five times a day. Where did that come from? It didn't come from the sky, but it came from the sunnah i.e. the hadith of Nabi SAW.

[AbuShabab]

LOL@ getting information from wikipedia. Listen, kiddo. It was written 300 years ago AFTER nabi Muhammad (pbuh), and it is interpretations based on what they believed our Nabi would do in circumstances. I would suggest, once in awhile reading the Qu'ran.

The Qur'an doesn't instruct to pray 5 times a day; Hadith does. What should we do?

[Advo]

Alluring, I understand ur point that people nowdays rely more on xadiiths rather than the quraan but xadiiths are very important never the less and I understand that some are weaker compare to others lakinse, like faisal said sahiih Bukhari and co are just as reliable.

[Alluring]

The Hadith is not a source for conducting evidence in adherence to Islam. The Qu'ran does not need help to preclude what it wants to say. The Hadith was written by men, don't people mock the Bible for that reason as well, that it was written by men and men can change agendas based on their accord? Yes or No? Islam is about education, not ignorance.

The Hadith is not the same as the Bible.

Again, the Qur'an does not specify what the five daily prayers are. You cannot fine a single verse in the Qur'an telling you to pray five times a day. Where did that come from? It didn't come from the sky, but it came from the sunnah i.e. the hadith of Nabi SAW.

Do you understand that the Hadith was not written by Nabi Muhammad? Or is that hard to understand? It was what PEOPLE believed he would do in cirumstances. And I doubt the kindess and compassion and admiration he had for WOMEN he'd approve of girls being stolen to death.

If only people were like Nabi Muhammad. Stop underminding Islam, and using it for your own MAN wanting needs.

[Alluring]

LOL@ getting information from wikipedia. Listen, kiddo. It was written 300 years ago AFTER nabi Muhammad (pbuh), and it is interpretations based on what they believed our Nabi would do in circumstances. I would suggest, once in awhile reading the Qu'ran.

The Qur'an doesn't instruct to pray 5 times a day; Hadith does. What should we do?

The Qur'ran doesn't instruct prayers? LOL!

Look at all of you people underminding the Qur'an and stating that the Hadith is more upholding. Miskiin. How do you sleep at night?

[Alluring]

Alluring, I understand ur point that people nowdays rely more on xadiiths rather than the quraan but xadiiths are very important never the less and I understand that some are weaker compare to others lakinse, like faisal said sahiih Bukhari and co are just as reliable.

There is one Qur'an, and how many volumes of the Hadith? Think about this. And the answer is clear as day.

[FAH1223]

Do you understand that the Hadith was not written by Nabi Muhammad? Or is that hard to understand? It was what PEOPLE believed he would do in cirumstances. And I doubt the kindess and compassion and admiration he had for WOMEN he'd approve of girls being stolen to death.

If only people were like Nabi Muhammad. Stop underminding Islam, and using it for your own MAN wanting needs.

This isn't male chauvenism. You have to understand the science of hadith and that hadith in which the woman confessed to the Prophet and later returned is a sound chain of narration passed down.

Again, without the hadith, we wouldn't know how to pray, how to pay zakat. The QUR'AN DOESN'T INSTRUCT YOU HOW TO PRAY SALAT. SHOW ONE VERSE CONCERNCING IT.

yes the hadith books we have today, were written 200 years after the death of the prophet (saw) - but during the life time of the prophet (saw) he told ppl not to write down hadith, as he forseen quran and his words getting mixed up. It was under the caliphate of Umar (ra) that he told someone (can't remember his name) to collect the hadith of the prophet (saw) - this is when the science of hadith began - it was Umar (ra) who began the science of hadith - Number of book were written, - in the first two centuries, muwatta were the most famous and well known - Imam Malik, Abu hanifa, Imam Ahmed, Imam shaibani etc wrote books of hadith as well, in the first two centuries.

But it was Imam Bukhari who wrote a comprehensive book, that is why it is most famous - his students, Imam Tirmdhi, Abu dawood, Nisa'i and Muslim wrote there books as well - these form the most well known book off hadith we have today - as they are seen as the most authentic!!!

This link shows you the science of hadith

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp? ... 0&CATE=120

[Kolombo]

Does Suura Al Nuur say punishment for adultery is 100 lashings, yes or no?

Of course it says so, the only thing the verse does not mention is in addition to 100 lashes, adulterers are also to be stoned as mentioned in the hadith I posted, whereby the Prophet (saw) explained the purpose of Surat Nur & prescribed punishments for fornicators & adulterers. No contradiction, whatsoever, just a difference over hadith & verse chain of narrations.

Are you in the habit of rejecting hadiths? If yes, then say so, no need to run around in circles.

[Shirib]

Alluring

The Quran does not instruct to pray FIVE times a day. All the details of prayer including wuduu and the number of times is found in the hadiths

However does clearly say hand should be cut off for stealing, just so you know

[AbuShabab]

Look at all of you people underminding the Qur'an

So, you believe the Qur'an can be undermined?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

100 lashes AND stoning some to death its definitely 2 different thinks. aayah in the quran says the punishment of adultry is 100 lashes ,and if you come whit hadith which says additional another punishment than 100 lashes like(stoning)so that hadish is definitely contradicting the quran, and that hadith should been seen as not saxiix hadiith.

lets take one example. sxb haddii aad wax xado tuug under islam law in the quran. waa in gacanta lagaa gooyaa.

ka waran haddii aad xadiis keento oo aad tiraahdo ninkii wax xada waa in gacanta laga gooyaa ka dibna DAB la qabadsiiyaa xadiis sidaas ah ka waran??

so contradiction aayada quraanka dhaheysa GACANTA KALIYA KA GOOYA.

100 lashes kaliya ayaa aayada quraanka ku qoran. haddii aad STONING KU DARSATO allah ayaad ku been abuuratey BIBEL-KA ayaa kitaabkaga ah.

[Alluring]

Fah,

You lack much wisdom and knowledge, and it has nothing to do with your constant age. Either way, the Hadith should not be instruments for evidence to unjusty kill an individual without burden of proof. Sharia Law is not based on justice, but of convictions of anger and should not be in Somalia, because there is a line of bias. Why is that only those subjecting to these hard circumstances are usually those who happen to be disliked or in a lower level in the social hierarchy? Women, Bantus, etc. Those are the only ones who are subjected to these hard times. Forget those who raped, murdered, and killed innocent people in present and past times.

Unless those people are stoned, beaten or imprisoned the level of fairness cannot be implemented.