Do you prefer a Secular Somalia?

[The Nomad]

Astaghfirula, no.

Secularism, democracy whatever. It's all haram.

The only option is the establishment of a new Caliphate.

Preferably with a Darod Quraysh descendant as the Caliph

[Grant]

Secularism will never work in somalia because somalis will abuse the system just like they have in the past.

they abusesd sharia law the same way so whats the point they killed 500 people in the name of sharia law
marka secularism eeh musaq masaqa baddan ba la qaatay

Secularism means religion is banned from everywhere in the state, it even means hijab will be banned

@Fah

A secular government means the government keeps it's nose out of religion. Not that the US has done such a great job in this area, but here it is as the first amendment to the US Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

The point of a secular government is that no one religious group can force it's views onto others. Under a secular government those who wanted to wear hijaab could, and those who didn't want to, wouldn't have to. You could have both Ikhwaan and Sufis. Don't get the idea that secular governments don't have religious values or represent only irreligious people. It is simply a formula that allows folks of different religious and philosophical persuasions to live together. Living under a secular government does not mean you do not practice your religion!

[FAH1223]

@Fah

A secular government means the government keeps it's nose out of religion. Not that the US has done such a great job in this area, but here it is as the first amendment to the US Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

The point of a secular government is that no one religious group can force it's views onto others. Under a secular government those who wanted to wear hijaab could, and those who didn't want to, wouldn't have to. You could have both Ikhwaan and Sufis. Don't get the idea that secular governments don't have religious values or represent only irreligious people. It is simply a formula that allows folks of different religious and philosophical persuasions to live together. Living under a secular government does not mean you do not practice your religion!

Grant, I'm talking about France, Turkey, and other secular states

[abdisamad3]

they abusesd sharia law the same way so whats the point they killed 500 people in the name of sharia law
marka secularism eeh musaq masaqa baddan ba la qaatay[/quote]

Secularism means religion is banned from everywhere in the state, it even means hijab will be banned[/quote]

@Fah

A secular government means the government keeps it's nose out of religion. Not that the US has done such a great job in this area, but here it is as the first amendment to the US Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

The point of a secular government is that no one religious group can force it's views onto others. Under a secular government those who wanted to wear hijaab could, and those who didn't want to, wouldn't have to. You could have both Ikhwaan and Sufis. Don't get the idea that secular governments don't have religious values or represent only irreligious people. It is simply a formula that allows folks of different religious and philosophical persuasions to live together. Living under a secular government does not mean you do not practice your religion![/quote]

[Grant]

A Somali version of a secular government would not have to be either Western or unIslamic. It simply has to allow for the inclusion of all Somali perspectives, and the rule of a single agreed-upon Law over all qabiils and individual groups. Some undefined "Shariica" will not work.

You do have to give up the notion that the domination of one group over others is a good thing.

Fah,

I would not describe either the French or Turkish actions with respect to the hijab as totally secular. Certainly there was a cultural bias in both cases and the policies were aimed at somebody. At the same time, I am not exactly certain there is a direct connection between the hijab and a woman's modesty. Under most circumstances, women can get away with a scarf in either country.

[abdisamad3]

A Somali version of a secular government would not have to be either Western or unIslamic. It simply has to allow for the inclusion of all Somali perspectives, and the rule of a single agreed-upon Law over all qabiils and individual groups. Some undefined "Shariica" will not work.

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shariica is allah's law..how can you say allahs law will not work in the muslim land..but the only law that will work is the man made gaalo law?
this is just bullshit coming from you...shariica is the only way forward for our muslim nation..no matter how hate it or fight it..

[Khalid Ali]

well secular is the way forward Somalia has never being a sharia law country I mean a constitution for the nation that the people have chosen and the people will use that constitution why the hell would you force sharia law on lawless Somalis . They are trying to abuse it, they doing it right now. Sharia law will never work in Somalia. Many factions try to introduce it but its every time to extreme or they do have a hidden agenda. We don’t want a system model like Saudi Arabia or the Taliban or iran . Just how Somalia was before 1991 will just do it socialism and communism was the key back in the days and today it will be democracy Somalis need to develop to use their traditional culture and the democracy of the 21 century just like How Somaliland is doing it right now. so a semi secular state will do it

[DR-YALAXOOW]

shariica is allah's law..how can you say allahs law will not work in the muslim land..but the only law that will work is the man made gaalo law?
this is just bullshit coming from you...shariica is the only way forward for our muslim nation..no matter how hate it or fight it..

the question you should ask is what is the sharia law?

according al shabaab. killing of Rape victim 13 years soomali girl in kismaayo by Stones was sharia law? is that sharia law or sheydaan law man made law?

of course its sheydaan man made law.

in so called sharia. danbiilaha lawyer looma qaban karo. ma jirto inaan soo bandhigtid cadeeymo.qof difaacaya EEDEYSANAHA ma jirto. EVIDENCE maxkamada la horkeenayo ma jirto so called SHARIA maxkamad.

kaliya laba wadaaad khamiisyo dhaadheer jaahiliin ah qof aan danbi laheeyn been been lagu soo eedeeyey. inay meel is taajiyaan ayey AAYAD QURAAN kor u akhrinayaan ka dibna qoftaas ku xukumayaan dhagax ku dilis ama gacan gooyn.

sxb thats not justice. sifaaadka allah waxaa ka mid ah ALLAH inuu yahay CAADIL.
XAQIIQDII maxkamad AMERIKA AMA SWEDEN oo ku dhaqanta your innocent until your proving guilty. maxkamada noocaas ah ee LAWYAR laguu qabanayo taas ayaa ah MAXKAMAD allah ka raali yahay. sababtoo ah danbiilaha danbiga lagu soo eedeeyey cadaalad ayuu helay 80% halka maxkamada al shabaab ee caruurta 13 jir dhagaxa ku dila aysa gabadhaas heshay 0% cadaalad.

[GENERAL_SNM]

shariica is allah's law..how can you say allahs law will not work in the muslim land..but the only law that will work is the man made gaalo law?
this is just bullshit coming from you...shariica is the only way forward for our muslim nation..no matter how hate it or fight it..

the question you should ask is what is the sharia law?

according al shabaab. killing of Rape victim 13 years soomali girl in kismaayo by Stones was sharia law? is that sharia law or sheydaan law man made law?

of course its sheydaan man made law.

in so called sharia. danbiilaha lawyer looma qaban karo. ma jirto inaan soo bandhigtid cadeeymo.qof difaacaya EEDEYSANAHA ma jirto. EVIDENCE maxkamada la horkeenayo ma jirto so called SHARIA maxkamad.

kaliya laba wadaaad khamiisyo dhaadheer jaahiliin ah qof aan danbi laheeyn been been lagu soo eedeeyey. inay meel is taajiyaan ayey AAYAD QURAAN kor u akhrinayaan ka dibna qoftaas ku xukumayaan dhagax ku dilis ama gacan gooyn.

sxb thats not justice. sifaaadka allah waxaa ka mid ah ALLAH inuu yahay CAADIL.
XAQIIQDII maxkamad AMERIKA AMA SWEDEN oo ku dhaqanta your innocent until your proving guilty. maxkamada noocaas ah ee LAWYAR laguu qabanayo taas ayaa ah MAXKAMAD allah ka raali yahay. sababtoo ah danbiilaha danbiga lagu soo eedeeyey cadaalad ayuu helay 80% halka maxkamada al shabaab ee caruurta 13 jir dhagaxa ku dila aysa gabadhaas heshay 0% cadaalad.

The native Bantus from the south dont understand Sharia or anything else accept eating bananas and pillaging their neighbors, which is why it takes a man from waqooyi to tame them again and bring them back again into human civilization and the way of the din. May allah guide the mujahid to Janna.

[abdisamad3]

shariica is allah's law..how can you say allahs law will not work in the muslim land..but the only law that will work is the man made gaalo law?
this is just bullshit coming from you...shariica is the only way forward for our muslim nation..no matter how hate it or fight it..

the question you should ask is what is the sharia law?

according al shabaab. killing of Rape victim 13 years soomali girl in kismaayo by Stones was sharia law? is that sharia law or sheydaan law man made law?

of course its sheydaan man made law.

in so called sharia. danbiilaha lawyer looma qaban karo. ma jirto inaan soo bandhigtid cadeeymo.qof difaacaya EEDEYSANAHA ma jirto. EVIDENCE maxkamada la horkeenayo ma jirto so called SHARIA maxkamad.

kaliya laba wadaaad khamiisyo dhaadheer jaahiliin ah qof aan danbi laheeyn been been lagu soo eedeeyey. inay meel is taajiyaan ayey AAYAD QURAAN kor u akhrinayaan ka dibna qoftaas ku xukumayaan dhagax ku dilis ama gacan gooyn.

sxb thats not justice. sifaaadka allah waxaa ka mid ah ALLAH inuu yahay CAADIL.
XAQIIQDII maxkamad AMERIKA AMA SWEDEN oo ku dhaqanta your innocent until your proving guilty. maxkamada noocaas ah ee LAWYAR laguu qabanayo taas ayaa ah MAXKAMAD allah ka raali yahay. sababtoo ah danbiilaha danbiga lagu soo eedeeyey cadaalad ayuu helay 80% halka maxkamada al shabaab ee caruurta 13 jir dhagaxa ku dila aysa gabadhaas heshay 0% cadaalad.

I was talking about shariica islaamiya in general..I never mentioned any groups..and about the girl they stoned I dont know anything about her..I wasnt there when she was excuted and I wasnt there when she commited the crime she was accused for..only Allah knows everything..iam just a human..and I will leave her matters to Allah becouse he is the judge not me..iam not going to believe what some westernised/western news papers right about the shabaab..becouse these news papers are the same as who wrote iraq had weapons of mass destruction and we both know that was not true..so I just dont trust any of the western news or their associates..