Was the SNM Struggle Jihad? Can they be called Mujahids

[CoolPoisons]

USC wasnt that bad atleast better then the regime

^^

dumb ciyaal. dadkan raba inay ka doodan taariikh

[Cumar-Labasuul]

While I was living in yurub? cajiib waar I was born in 87 and the war started in 88 do you know that we were chased out of the city by the army and we didn't know whether we would be caught or not so we would travel towards the border at night when it was dark so that we couldn't be seen easily, if it wasn't allah's qadr I wouldn't be here now markaas ayaad hadalkaana ii keentay. War you only saw reality when the government collapsed whilst me and my family were dodging bullets you were sitting comfortably in xamar.

:loL: tell me why im laughing at this

he was born in 1987 but remembers what happend in 1988

ilahayo ha cadaabin cunug aan waxba ogayn

waryaa, iska ciyaar and keep believing what Ur aabo tells U. xaqiiqda la ma badali karo no matter how much propaganda U tell.

War jaahil ayaad tahay, where did I say that I remember it and aabahay waa aabahay markaa hadilkiisa ma been ba, ileen soo adigu nin aabahaa aheyn ayaad aabaha ku sheegtay, waana rumaysanjirtay wuxu odhan jiray. Ileen siyad haddu odhan lahaa hargeysa lama qarxin waad rumaysan laheyd. At least I listen to my dad, agains dad reerkay ah ayaa ku dhintay markaasaad ku qoslaysaa siddi ciyaalka, Waan sooman ahay markaas ma doonayoo inaan soon kayda iska jabiyo

[faqash_kid]

snm was a struggle and those qaldaans achived victory

[CoolPoisons]

While I was living in yurub? cajiib waar I was born in 87 and the war started in 88 do you know that we were chased out of the city by the army and we didn't know whether we would be caught or not so we would travel towards the border at night when it was dark so that we couldn't be seen easily, if it wasn't allah's qadr I wouldn't be here now markaas ayaad hadalkaana ii keentay. War you only saw reality when the government collapsed whilst me and my family were dodging bullets you were sitting comfortably in xamar.

:loL: tell me why im laughing at this

he was born in 1987 but remembers what happend in 1988

ilahayo ha cadaabin cunug aan waxba ogayn

waryaa, iska ciyaar and keep believing what Ur aabo tells U. xaqiiqda la ma badali karo no matter how much propaganda U tell.

War jaahil ayaad tahay, where did I say that I remember it and aabahay waa aabahay markaa hadilkiisa ma been ba, ileen soo adigu nin aabahaa aheyn ayaad aabaha ku sheegtay, waana rumaysanjirtay wuxu odhan jiray. Ileen siyad haddu odhan lahaa hargeysa lama qarxin waad rumaysan laheyd. At least I listen to my dad, agains dad reerkay ah ayaa ku dhintay markaasaad ku qoslaysaa siddi ciyaalka, Waan sooman ahay markaas ma doonayoo inaan soon kayda iska jabiyo

haye listen to Ur dad's fairytales.

teeda kale, I wasnt the 1 sining Nolow Abe Siyad nolow. waa la ogyahay who sung that

Hadana Riyale loo heesaya, Nolow Abe Riyale Nolow

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Coolpoison do you know what the reality is, its that today I can go to hargeysa freely do what I like, but you only reminisce about the past because today nin dhuxulle cuts your peoples hand and legs off when he feels like it, so what can riyaale do to me so what if he eats up the government money, I don't care but what home do you have to go to besides some tuulos in kenya.

[CoolPoisons]

Coolpoison do you know what the reality is, its that today I can go to hargeysa freely do what I like, but you only reminisce about the past because today nin dhuxulle cuts your peoples hand and legs off when he feels like it, so what can riyaale do to me so what if he eats up the government money, I don't care but what home do you have to go to besides some tuulos in kenya.

haye, haduu sheekadas isku badashay. banaanbax badan dhig, Riyale waligis madaxweyne ayuu idin haynaya

Gadabursi waa kuwi xiniyo yeeshay oo yiri anaa madax idhin ah. Ileen hogaankooda ka dambeysan.

Marehan live in Central and South Somalia and I can visit wherever I want. Ma mooday Ur langaab clan who live only in Galbiley?

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Ina Godane, from this(second from right):


to this(far right):

[gurey25]

wow this debate is becaming poitless.
for those of who are claim that the SNM where freem fighters.
have few question for you.
when the SNM was created in 1981 in Jeddeh, suadi arabia did the isaaqs in had less freedom than other follow somalis, was the political and economic situation worse than those of the other qabils. werent the majority of the SNM leaders part of the somalia goverment at the time when few men gathered to create this traitorous ethiopian back rebels.?

ka jabab......the answer to these questions will determine of the were freedom fighters or not

There is a reason why you are unable to undertstand what is bieng said..,
it is becuase your qabil was one of the MOD..

You are asking why isaaq were unhappy with thier second class citizenship when everyone else was satisfied with MOD dictatorship..


Its becuase Isaaq have never really been ruled, the british didnt really rule us becuase they could not really be bothered to do it.
While the Italians actually ruled you with an iron fist.

once youve been ruled its easy for someone else to rule over you, you get used to it, you become domesticated..


Now look at our situation, before 1960 we are used to the Imperial government not interfering in our affairs , but after 1960 the goverment that we were cheated out of having our fair share, was wielding more power than the british.
Moqadishu ruled somaliland allot tighter than the british ever did, now if you add the following grievances you will get a better picture of we we revolted .

1.somaliland cheated out of its fair share of power
2. 1961 election was a joke, corruption of a shocking degree that was new to somalilanders e.g the Walawyen incident( the small village of walayen had more votes counted than Toghdeer. a village of less than 2000 people outvoting toghdeers 200,000)
3.a large number of isaaq officers were executed on the front during the 1978 defeat.
4.The Ogadeen millitias the remnents of what was once the WSLF started abusing disarmed isaaq civilinas in both the ethiopian border and inside of the somaliland border, confiscating property at will, and raping at will. The siad barre government ignored the numerous requests for assistance .
5.Siad barre going after our money , by trying to change the franco valuta system so that he could have direct access to the isaaq controlled livestock trade.
that was somalias sole source of hard currency other than aid, in the 80s.


now we dont realy care if the rest of somalis were happy with thier slavery but we were not, and we decided to end siads regime..
whats done is done, dont cry over spilt milk.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

There is a reason why you are unable to undertstand what is bieng said..,
it is becuase your qabil was one of the MOD..

You are asking why isaaq were unhappy with thier second class citizenship when everyone else was satisfied with MOD dictatorship..


Its becuase Isaaq have never really been ruled, the british didnt really rule us becuase they could not really be bothered to do it.
While the Italians actually ruled you with an iron fist.

once youve been ruled its easy for someone else to rule over you, you get used to it, you become domesticated..


Now look at our situation, before 1960 we are used to the Imperial government not interfering in our affairs , but after 1960 the goverment that we were cheated out of having our fair share, was wielding more power than the british.
Moqadishu ruled somaliland allot tighter than the british ever did, now if you add the following grievances you will get a better picture of we we revolted .

1.somaliland cheated out of its fair share of power
2. 1961 election was a joke, corruption of a shocking degree that was new to somalilanders e.g the Walawyen incident( the small village of walayen had more votes counted than Toghdeer. a village of less than 2000 people outvoting toghdeers 200,000)
3.a large number of isaaq officers were executed on the front during the 1978 defeat.
4.The Ogadeen millitias the remnents of what was once the WSLF started abusing disarmed isaaq civilinas in both the ethiopian border and inside of the somaliland border, confiscating property at will, and raping at will. The siad barre government ignored the numerous requests for assistance .
5.Siad barre going after our money , by trying to change the franco valuta system so that he could have direct access to the isaaq controlled livestock trade.
that was somalias sole source of hard currency other than aid, in the 80s.


now we dont realy care if the rest of somalis were happy with thier slavery but we were not, and we decided to end siads regime..
whats done is done, dont cry over spilt milk.

You have said everything I wanted to say

[abdikarim86]

cumar iyo ducaysane .....idinka ayaa ba ka daran

you dont have to justify it to these people

SNM were freedom fighters and thats that

[CoolPoisons]

Freedom from who? Darod?

waxaas ma la inkiro. Its like saying U were under gumeysi by Darod and liberated Urself

[GENERAL_SNM]

Warya ina afweyene, your abo was a murderous tyrant who committed unimaginable atrocities against his fellow somalis. I can get you articles from white organizations, and these are not like the bullsh!t you pull out as source inorder to prove your little qabil fought hard to liberate some small town in the middle of nowhere, forgetting that these white sources are all secondary sources. The sources I can get you are organization on the ground who witness first hand your abe losing his head and the wheels coming off. He was a death wish on somali society he destroyed what so many had died for and the dreams of even more for his own selfishness, walle we can place everything thats going on today at his door, qabilism, distrust, no-government, succession, atrocities. These are all blowbacks of the afweynes time in power. So sxb, if your views are clouded because your parents/tribe were made part of the elite, and now you feel compelled to defend the old regime. Dont try and sell us the garbage your spewing..


Peace, To answer your question the SNM was a direct result of the governments inability to represent every region fairly, at the time you mentioned it was not a rebel group but a pressure group representing the views of those marginalized up north.We northerners have always had our alphabet groups even during the british the SNM was dust a throwback. It only became a rebel group because the SNA started targeting Isaaq people for no apparent reason other then qabilnimo.
They felt compelled to defend their people who were at first marginalized and then were being murdered..
Let me tell you something about the bombings of Hargiesa, sxb that was the climax to something horrible that had been going on for years. Walle all the villages belonging to HJ or Isaaq's were attacked civilians killed, livestock destroyed, and all the people that couldn't escape old and young killed. Walle its ramadan and I have no reason to lie but thats what taken place in those far away villages. That government and its leader were pure evil and the crimes they committed will be judged by allah. Those who defend it have a guilty conscience, and they always make any discussion of Afweyene personal. But how can you not take your abe being insulted personal, becuase he fed most of these guy's.


Arawello, to you they might not be but to me they are, the only difference is I/we dont try and impose our ideas on you. To every Isaaq the SNM are mujahids who rescued us from a crazy evil dictator, so we are greatful to them. On the other hand we accept their will be those who dont share this sentiment and wont see the SNM as mujahid..
But you guy's want everybody to see the ONLF as something its not, its an OGADEN interest group, who's supporters are all Ogadeen. It doesnt even fight for somalinimo let alone Islamnimo, so how do you conclude they are fighting for Jihad.

[Xamud.]

Well the thing is, the SNM started as a rebel faction trying to bring down the gov for the own purpose but it developed into Jihaad in the end, they were fighting for their life,wealth and freedom. The SNM struggle was Jihaad in the end, cuz they were being prosecuted and killed for belonging to a tribe.

So....yes their struggle can be classified as Jihad

[CoolPoisons]

^^ General Dufle ma ilowday

Class '09 THE DREAM TEAM:

We need to get a little organized inorder to beatdown these haters. The game from now on is changing what we are going to do is come down hard on anyone that even thinks about saying a negative word about SL or Isaaq. The idea is that we attack these fools by numbers, so if any fool speaks up one of us takes the challenge and then another one joins in with you know some light support at the start. Once they fall for the bait and start directing insults at Iidoor B then he gets stuck in it, and then another one show's light support with and again they will fall for the bait. We carry on like this till we got the whole team pounding that focker and his drowning that focker out....
Infact we will go hunting in packs from now on and provoke fools into becoming victims and then beat them down with overwhelming odds.


This is the team...
Killer Khalid..
Comander Keyze
The General
Rightwinger
Ducaysone?
LTDH
Ina Baxar
My man Cumar
Anybody else left out feel free to add your name and take your time before joing any on going battle. We cant make it seem bait, you gets me..

look at this IIdor trying hard. Waryaa maad ku dartid Nolow Riyale Nolow

[abdikarim86]

Freedom from who? Darod?

waxaas ma la inkiro. Its like saying U were under gumeysi by Darod and liberated Urself

waar anuu djibouti baan ku dhashay

i dont know darood