why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

[Gara Man]

Gara Man and Bareento, I am very opposed to this whole inappropriate categorization of Oromo as a singular body. I maintain the Oromo are a people united only by language, the Arussi Oromo is more Somalified today then some Somalis and the Wallo and Wallega Oromos are more Habeshified then some Habesha.

I somewhat agree with you that Oromos are more united by language than blood relation but the same can be said about somalis. Just how somalis claim ancestry from one certain man the same goes for oromos. The Arsi are not somalized I dont know where you got this from but i do beleive that they were once a group of peoples grouped into one.

In the context of association I believe any usage of the term "Oromo" should be detailed then just merely "Oromo" which believe is a blank statement.

Voltage, first you must decide what does the term Galla mean?
Is it a term that depicsts Oromos?
Or does it merrily describe one being Non-Muslim?
Does "Galla" equal "gal/o" or does it desribe a language?
In the Somali definition it suggest of being not Muslim and that means its a social group not a ethnicity. Like how does the Rendile fit in, could they be called "galla" in the past? OR how about the Yibr of Northen Somaliland.....Are they galla?
In retrospect you also have "Somali" that translates into "Giver of camel Milk". So you have the Galla= heathens and Somalis/Camel milk givers=Muslims. This all fits in what was the Economy of Harar. The Oromo who were once Nomads adopted cultivation thus the name "Qottu", the Somali were the herders and brought the livestock, and the Hararis/aderee were the urbaners and merchants who traded.

Bareento here you are making my point. Abtirsi and Diya are aspects of Eastern Oromo culture. They are not part of say the Wallo culture. Keep in mind I have said before the Eastern Oromo are a merger of dispersed Somali stock during the campaign of Ahmed Gurey and people whose culture we severely impacted as a result of our shared unity in religion. I define this Eastern Oromo group as anyone of the Afran Qallo (primarily the ones of dispersed Somali stock), the Qalu and Arussi (the ones whose culture we impacted).

You as an Afran Qallo Oromo of Somali descent, tell me honestly if you feel more comfortable in the smallest village of Somalia amongst the Somalis whom you share culture and religion with and even physical look (I can always differentiate an Oromo and Somali by face except the Nolle and other Afran Qallo) or a Shawo and Wallega Oromo who is practically an Oromo-speaking Habeshi?

I want actual proof that afran Qollo Oromos are lost Somalis from Ahmed Gragn Armies, who I believe is really a Turk . The Noole from what i heard and seen prior my participation at SN are NOT somalis or somalized. Only the Jaarso you can make a case for. Also, what Happened to the Borans that once lived in the Ogaden?
Did every single one of them get "pushed" or did new clans emerge from them

Check this Photo of "oromos" in Benadir in 1920's, what clan is this?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... 136&prev=/

The same Gerri Koombe prominantly mentioned with their Marehan Darod kin as the main legions of Imam Ahmed's army in the 1500's? Oromo did not even live in the land nor was anywhere close to it when the Gerri had a prominent roles in Somali people.

As for the rest of what you said particularly concerned the observation of "similarity between those Somalis and the Eastern Oromo", I refer you to what I wrote above. There are many shared characteristics between Eastern Oromos and neighboring Somali clans but almost all of those characteristics are shared by other Somalis

Sorry if I dont share the same mythical attitude toward one text than some somalis do but i am wondering that the "History of the Galla" piece was possibly written before the Futh al habashi. From i guesss that the notion of what is somali name was not even being stated there?

That link i provided stated the Issa and Gadabursi has having Oromo origin because not all of them were Muslim at the time.

whereas few of those characteristics are shared with other Oromos such as the Wallo pinpointing to a Somali origin of them.

Wollo oromo as Somalis is new thing to me but you must be talking about the way the male dress is and their profession to Islam.

[Voltage]

The last part about Wallo you misunderstand as for the rest I really don't have the interest or time for this back and forth. I stand by what I said.

[Gara Man]

The last part about Wallo you misunderstand as for the rest I really don't have the interest or time for this back and forth. I stand by what I said.

Then what are the characteristics shared by the Wollo oromos and Somalis?

and could you add your insight of the pic of benadir in the link.

[Voltage]

None, here is what I said:

There are many shared characteristics between Eastern Oromos and neighboring Somali clans but almost all of those characteristics are shared by other Somalis whereas few of those characteristics are shared with other Oromos such as the Wallo pinpointing to a Somali origin of them.

^any shared similarity in culture between neighboring Somali clans and the Eastern Oromo.

As for that pic, I don't know how to explain it but my friend I would assume they are Wardeey (Orma). Wardeey still live in Diinsoor area in Bay. Benadir region is not the modern Benadir of Mogadishu, it was one three regions of the Italians (Miguirtania, Benadir, and Alto Jubba). Diinsoor town and most of Bay are today part of Benadir.

[Gara Man]

None, here is what I said:

There are many shared characteristics between Eastern Oromos and neighboring Somali clans but almost all of those characteristics are shared by other Somalis whereas few of those characteristics are shared with other Oromos such as the Wallo pinpointing to a Somali origin of them.

^any shared similarity in culture between neighboring Somali clans and the Eastern Oromo.

As for that pic, I don't know how to explain it but my friend I would assume they are Wardeey (Orma). Wardeey still live in Diinsoor area in Bay. Benadir region is not the modern Benadir of Mogadishu, it was one three regions of the Italians (Miguirtania, Benadir, and Alto Jubba). Diinsoor town and most of Bay are today part of Benadir.

The Wollo to me are not eastern Oromos though, they are Northern oromos. Unless you are pointing that some of Gragn's armies stayed there and intermixed with habashis there then got intermixed with the Oromos later.

but anyhoo this not a concern for me.

So the Wardey are somalized I would think(if those are Wardey's) that they spoke Oromo to specify that they are Oromo, which now they probably dont.

[Voltage]

None, here is what I said:

There are many shared characteristics between Eastern Oromos and neighboring Somali clans but almost all of those characteristics are shared by other Somalis whereas few of those characteristics are shared with other Oromos such as the Wallo pinpointing to a Somali origin of them.

^any shared similarity in culture between neighboring Somali clans and the Eastern Oromo.

As for that pic, I don't know how to explain it but my friend I would assume they are Wardeey (Orma). Wardeey still live in Diinsoor area in Bay. Benadir region is not the modern Benadir of Mogadishu, it was one three regions of the Italians (Miguirtania, Benadir, and Alto Jubba). Diinsoor town and most of Bay are today part of Benadir.

The Wollo to me are not eastern Oromos though, they are Northern oromos. Unless you are pointing that some of Gragn's armies stayed there and intermixed with habashis there then got intermixed with the Oromos later.

but anyhoo this not a concern for me.

So the Wardey are somalized I would think(if those are Wardey's) that they spoke Oromo to specify that they are Oromo, which now they probably dont.

Comprehension problem my friend. I said the characteristics and similarities shared between Eastern Oromo and Somali neighbors are characteristics other Somalis share but are not shared by other Oromo such as the Wollo MEANING the characteristics are of Somali origin since both the Somalis who neighbor the eastern Oromo and the Somali who do not have them whereas the Oromo who do not neighbor the Somalis, such as the Wollo, do not share it.

Also, the Wardeey are not Somalized. They have taken on our culture but they are as foreign as any non-Somali people. The opposite is the case with Afran Qallo who are of Somali descent but have been Oromized.

[SomaliAmir]

This debate going on here is very interesting.

SA,
Are you claiming that the Geri Komboo Daroods really are Oromos? This is something i been known. You might as well add the Dir clans too. While i was digging on info on the net i came across what Transactions of the Bombay Geographical Society, Volume 8 By Bombay Geographical Society where it says in a statement regarding the DIR that "THE GALLA CLANS OF ESA SOMALI and GIDRBURSI" and then later says the the issa and gedrbursi have "several peculiarities that mark their Galla orgin." If this is true that would mean the most clearest of western Somlais the Dir are Oroomo. The text says Nothing about Akicho, nothing about Gurguraa, and nothing about Jaarso.

the Gerri komboo are pure Daroods, however, there are Werra Gerri Komboo,the equivalance of Reer, amoung the Jaarso and the Babila. as to the Dir expecailly the Gudabirsaa and may be the Issa. they are an amalgamation of clans and since they are the most northern and western clan of the Somali people they may have obsorped traits particular to the oromo and afar clans for example the Issa File their teeth.

Gursum/FunyanBiro is land that is rightfully belonging to Oromos. This really funny readying that Gursum you said belongs to Somalis while just a couple days ago watching EtV's somali program talking about development education in gursum. The really funny part that the Oromo program was talking about gursum just a week ago and about the same development but in the farming sector. The Tplf is really working are two respective communities bad.

Also in Ibrahim Yusuf's article titled 'Can the Young Despots in Somali Regional State Reconcile With the Diaspora Communities', he states that "The appropriation of many districts to ORS(Oromo Regional State) including Babile, Fayanbiro, Arjisagora(????),
Jinacsani(whose Wikipedia page has suddenly disappeared over the past year and some for some reason)and Ma’ayso made many intellectuals more apprehensive about the EPRDF’s policies toward Somali people". By reading this he should know that the man is trying claim land that is the Jaarsos backyard except Miesso. Any decision that happened over rights of lands is the decision upon the jaarsos themselves. If they decidce Oromo it is oromo, and if it is Somali then its somali.

Eid in Gursum in Affan Oromo

your right its up to the Jaarso, if they decide oromo that they should be left in Oromiya, if they choose Somali than they should be under Somali regional administration. that not whats in dispute it the Habasha playing favoritism and giving land to the oromo without a referendum. what signal does this send to the Somalis and more importantly to the oromo when the government Sanction oromo annexation of Somali Territory.

[Gara Man]

Comprehension problem my friend. I said the characteristics and similarities shared between Eastern Oromo and Somali neighbors are characteristics other Somalis share but are not shared by other Oromo such as the Wollo MEANING the characteristics are of Somali origin since both the Somalis who neighbor the eastern Oromo and the Somali who do not have them whereas the Oromo who do not neighbor the Somalis, such as the Wollo, do not share it.

Also, the Wardeey are not Somalized. They have taken on our culture but they are as foreign as any non-Somali people. The opposite is the case with Afran Qallo who are of Somali descent but have been Oromized.

Okayy enough beating the dead horse of the Wollo u made ur point quite clear...my fault, but on the Wardey i was talking about them living in Benadir(or whatever) right now not the orma who live behind deep in Kenya.

But about what you said earlier about the Wardey i get ur tone and what you saying.

[Gara Man]

the Gerri komboo are pure Daroods, however, there are Werra Gerri Komboo,the equivalance of Reer, amoung the Jaarso and the Babila. as to the Dir expecailly the Gudabirsaa and may be the Issa. they are an amalgamation of clans and since they are the most northern and western clan of the Somali people they may have obsorped traits particular to the oromo and afar clans for example the Issa File their teeth.

I dont know if anybody is everything pure but alot of Geri share a double identity along with jaarso b/c in their mind Oromo is like a culture and see no wrong in claim both somali and oromo. Whether those Geri's are Waraa Geri or just Geri i have no idea.
The link I provided led to a perception by the reader form the writer that the issa and Gadabrusi were somewhat of new Muslims, something different than say the Habr awal to whom they are hostile to. Thats why similarities in neighboring peoples was not being the only means thats these two dir groups hinting to an oromo origin.

your right its up to the Jaarso, if they decide oromo that they should be left in Oromiya, if they choose Somali than they should be under Somali regional administration. that not whats in dispute it the Habasha playing favoritism and giving land to the oromo without a referendum. what signal does this send to the Somalis and more importantly to the oromo when the government Sanction oromo annexation of Somali Territory.

To tell you the truth its all about Lands here. People who dont know this region to well tend to make rather irrational assumptions and what i know from conversting with people is that the jaarsos who live around harshin, tuli guleed, kabribayah, and jinacsani(referendum to somali) and more are already and have been part of Zone 5 and call themselves somali while the FERTILE continuous mountain and hilly chain land called Jarso has always been considered Oromo land. This area also has a future in tourism linking this land with the Elephant Santucary in Baabile is likely huge new spot for state revenue and this is why somalis are in Zone 5 are wanting it. But Somalis cant claim land where they dont exist in unless you consider the Jaarsos there somalis.

And I doubt the jaarsos would want to be subjects in their own lands, thats why they want the ORS along with other somalis.

[Digdahab]

interesting land ..

[Gara Man]

interesting land ..

What are you trying to say Digdahab?

[senoritaa]

welcome bareento and gara man, both interesting new members

[Digdahab]

gara man as a Somali I'm always hungry for contested land, it attracts me like honey attracts the honey badger

[Gara Man]

welcome bareento and gara man, both interesting new members

thanks

[Gara Man]

gara man as a Somali I'm always hungry for contested land, it attracts me like honey attracts the honey badger

Funny you say that b/c i just had some honey