It stinks

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

The majreteen are millitarily weak but are political players on a much higher level.
I have no doubt that if they had half the resources of somaliland, they would have tamed the south a long time ago.

There are no "resources" that Somaliland has that Puntland doesn't, unless you can name it, as far as I knew both of our police & armies were built by UN & Ethiopia to the same specifics, so unless you have secret weapons supplier than you're confused. The only reason we can't "tame" the south is because it isn't in our interest, and no amount of military might will change the status quo in Somalia; you need ideas to change the south (fundamentalist islam is a case). Even if a goliath army of majerteen marched into xamar every hawiye toddler would be indoctrinated to bring it down, just look at ethiopia, they weren't kicked out by islamists, they were kicked out by hawiye who were more bothered by the mjs in xamar rather than tigrays. The south (more like hawye) hates majerteen more than you guys can hate the south, we should be the ones seceding if anything but its better to hurt your haters than walk away and that's our policy, especially when we can profit from them without contributing.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Operation rightouse sword.


Aim: Civilising the south and gaining independence in the process.


Method; Informing the international community of our plan and gaining western military support in the process. Getting Djabouti to come along for the ride aswell as the greedy MJ and the SSC crew.


Conclusion; Defeat al-Shabab by infiltrating them with SL spies and causing disunty.

Once all these targets are met we install a dumb southerner and insure his group stays in power. Sideline the MJ's and anybody who could pose a threat to our ambitions. Keep soldiers in the south to keep the place functioning and as a warning system. Any group that dwells within the former British Somaliland will be offered to either relocate to the south voluntarily or forcefully if they dont wish to be part of the democratic republic of Isaaqland.

[RuralMan08]

Walle there are few idoors thinking outside the box, like the monk of mog for example, who is a secret idoor pretending to be a mooryaan lol. We idoors can not insist on this politically destructive path, something has to be changed and very quickly if i may add. Its about time we abused these defenceless mooryaans and dooros b4 they wake up and get their shitt together my idoor brothers and sisters, because no one will give us recognition out of goodwill or because they think we deserve it. The world is simply not that kind of a place. And just because you see a white minister from some scandanavian country visiting silaanyo in hargaisa don't think recognition is near. Infact always be alarmed when you see a white bastard, for they never come to you unless they have an ulterior motive.

So what should we do is the question maha? Well, for one we can stop this seccession nonsense and stay with our beloved brothers and sisters, drag them out of the mud, change the capital city of Somalia to hargeisa, and hope that these savages will share power with us fairly and return the favaour this time! I mean, why not? Just beacuse that dream did not materialize in 1960 does not mean it can't come true now or in the future?...OK, OK, Emperior b4 you kick your monitor i change my mind , I say fuck Somalia and its barbarous poeple. Even though truth be told, I still wonder what life would’ve been in our large villas in xamar, with babaay and seytuun growing at the backyard, with gudhuu maids roaming around who were so insignificant that I can’t even remember their names,’( we used to make them eat the left overs of the delicious food they cooked for us, and referred to southerners in general as subhumans, but in time they would make us pay for this injustice by threatening us and robbing us on a daily bases, and ofcourse the dooros got slaughtered and dragged on dusty streets, only there were no cameras to capture those heinous crimes like the white dudes in black howk down looooooooooooooool, wallahi hawiye ppl are savages naclatulahi caleykum, but atleast they got their revenge, and rightly so, the marexaans in here pls don’t get offended loooooool)’.

Anyway, emperior inaadeer cali dhaandhaanow when you put my subjective feelings aside which should not matter one bit in the real world, the question still is what should we do to get recognition sow maha? Well, objectively the answer is that we be as nasty and as filthy as the majeerteens usually are. We have to wear gloves and get our hands dirty if we have to. Inevitably the dhabayocos are the smartest Somalis alive today and because of that they will always be an obstacle to our success, so we have to bomb the shitt out of their major cities if we can’t avoid a fight. We have to level them to the ground, and kill almost every majeerteen till they no longer pose any threat to us. Then we have to deal with likes of shkh shariif shkh dameer, and trick them or bribe them or whatever and become the movers and shakers of Somali politics instead of isolating ourselves in hargeisa and burco with our thumbs up our arses because clearly that flawed way of thinkings wont get us anywhere. You see once we get rid of the majeerteen, the rest of Somalis will be so easy to manipulate because they are xoolo .In conclusion we have to become like Israel and bully our less fortunate Somali brothers like the carabs are currently being bullied, loool, and in return the stupid Americans will take notice and like us. We should not wait this recognition from someone else but have to take it with our hands, or forever remain pussies like Taiwan as someone already mentioned.

If you are Idoor then I commend you for thinking outside the box.

[The_Emperior5]

Operation rightouse sword.


Aim: Civilising the south and gaining independence in the process.


Method; Informing the international community of our plan and gaining western military support in the process. Getting Djabouti to come along for the ride aswell as the greedy MJ and the SSC crew.


Conclusion; Defeat al-Shabab by infiltrating them with SL spies and causing disunty.

Once all these targets are met we install a dumb southerner and insure his group stays in power. Sideline the MJ's and anybody who could pose a threat to our ambitions. Keep soldiers in the south to keep the place functioning and as a warning system. Any group that dwells within the former British Somaliland will be offered to either relocate to the south voluntarily or forcefully if they dont wish to be part of the democratic republic of Isaaqland.

seems like a good plan send this to Mujaheed siilaanyo

[RuralMan08]

I agree with Gurey and the other lunatic to an extent. What I do agree with them both is that no country will agree to give Somaliland its independece and the main reason is the white people created all these fake borders in Africa and no amount of good will on Somalilands part will make them redraw a single border, unless uncle sam smells something. We Isaaq's are wasting our time if we assume that this isolation policy will get us anywhere. Sitting back and doing nothing wont get us anywhere, if we want to progress and move forward we have to be ruthless and we must to go that extra mile to achieve our goal.In short for Somaliland to seperate from Somalia we have to scrifices more then we are doing. No point in having that fockin plane on Hargeisa and telling tales like the struggle is over because its clearly not. We have to go back to Xamer and get our sh!t.

See how smart you can really be once you wipe that extra duuf from your nose?

[RuralMan08]

The majreteen are millitarily weak but are political players on a much higher level.
I have no doubt that if they had half the resources of somaliland, they would have tamed the south a long time ago.

There are no "resources" that Somaliland has that Puntland doesn't, unless you can name it, as far as I knew both of our police & armies were built by UN & Ethiopia to the same specifics, so unless you have secret weapons supplier than you're confused. The only reason we can't "tame" the south is because it isn't in our interest, and no amount of military might will change the status quo in Somalia; you need ideas to change the south (fundamentalist islam is a case). Even if a goliath army of majerteen marched into xamar every hawiye toddler would be indoctrinated to bring it down, just look at ethiopia, they weren't kicked out by islamists, they were kicked out by hawiye who were more bothered by the mjs in xamar rather than tigrays. The south (more like hawye) hates majerteen more than you guys can hate the south, we should be the ones seceding if anything but its better to hurt your haters than walk away and that's our policy, especially when we can profit from them without contributing.

This is why a Majerteen will always be above the rest of the Somalis politically speaking because they look at the bigger picture. I commend them for that

[GENERAL_SNM]

I agree with Gurey and the other lunatic to an extent. What I do agree with them both is that no country will agree to give Somaliland its independece and the main reason is the white people created all these fake borders in Africa and no amount of good will on Somalilands part will make them redraw a single border, unless uncle sam smells something. We Isaaq's are wasting our time if we assume that this isolation policy will get us anywhere. Sitting back and doing nothing wont get us anywhere, if we want to progress and move forward we have to be ruthless and we must to go that extra mile to achieve our goal.In short for Somaliland to seperate from Somalia we have to scrifices more then we are doing. No point in having that fockin plane on Hargeisa and telling tales like the struggle is over because its clearly not. We have to go back to Xamer and get our sh!t.

See how smart you can really be once you wipe that extra duuf from your nose?

War bal hoyadiwasehan qudhunbursiga maxa idaba dhigay sidan ahay aabihi. Yarow slow your horses I aint your dad so why do you need to act like a child to gain my attention. Keep it fockin moving midgan boy.

[RuralMan08]

War bal hoyadiwasehan qudhunbursiga maxa idaba dhigay sidan ahay aabihi. Yarow slow your horses I aint your dad so why do you need to act like a child to gain my attention. Keep it fockin moving midgan boy.

Stop crying Duufle I dont want to have to buy you two sets of tissues, one for your tears and one for your duuf.

WIpe out your nose General Duuf

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I agree with Gurey and the other lunatic to an extent. What I do agree with them both is that no country will agree to give Somaliland its independece and the main reason is the white people created all these fake borders in Africa and no amount of good will on Somalilands part will make them redraw a single border, unless uncle sam smells something. We Isaaq's are wasting our time if we assume that this isolation policy will get us anywhere. Sitting back and doing nothing wont get us anywhere, if we want to progress and move forward we have to be ruthless and we must to go that extra mile to achieve our goal.In short for Somaliland to seperate from Somalia we have to scrifices more then we are doing. No point in having that fockin plane on Hargeisa and telling tales like the struggle is over because its clearly not. We have to go back to Xamer and get our sh!t.

Why separate when we can rule? Somalia can be easily exploited. Nobody trusts eachother down there. This can be a big obstacle but also a great advantage because that means they can't unite against us.

[The_Emperior5]

I agree with Gurey and the other lunatic to an extent. What I do agree with them both is that no country will agree to give Somaliland its independece and the main reason is the white people created all these fake borders in Africa and no amount of good will on Somalilands part will make them redraw a single border, unless uncle sam smells something. We Isaaq's are wasting our time if we assume that this isolation policy will get us anywhere. Sitting back and doing nothing wont get us anywhere, if we want to progress and move forward we have to be ruthless and we must to go that extra mile to achieve our goal.In short for Somaliland to seperate from Somalia we have to scrifices more then we are doing. No point in having that fockin plane on Hargeisa and telling tales like the struggle is over because its clearly not. We have to go back to Xamer and get our sh!t.

Why separate when we can rule? Somalia can be easily exploited. Nobody trusts eachother down there. This can be a big obstacle but also a great advantage because that means they can't unite against us.

Rule what what will you gain from ruling it?

[gurey25]

The majreteen are millitarily weak but are political players on a much higher level.
I have no doubt that if they had half the resources of somaliland, they would have tamed the south a long time ago.

There are no "resources" that Somaliland has that Puntland doesn't, unless you can name it, as far as I knew both of our police & armies were built by UN & Ethiopia to the same specifics, so unless you have secret weapons supplier than you're confused. The only reason we can't "tame" the south is because it isn't in our interest, and no amount of military might will change the status quo in Somalia; you need ideas to change the south (fundamentalist islam is a case). Even if a goliath army of majerteen marched into xamar every hawiye toddler would be indoctrinated to bring it down, just look at ethiopia, they weren't kicked out by islamists, they were kicked out by hawiye who were more bothered by the mjs in xamar rather than tigrays. The south (more like hawye) hates majerteen more than you guys can hate the south, we should be the ones seceding if anything but its better to hurt your haters than walk away and that's our policy, especially when we can profit from them without contributing.

By resources i mean manpower, you had thousands of your clansmen bieng bodygaurds for abdulahi yusuf and not achieving anything,
while alshabab is running around causing chaos and destruction with about the same number of men. the highest estimates are 7000 fighters.

What if you get 2 to 3 times that number beefing up the anti-alshabab coalition?

Assuming ofcurse that the international community is willing to pick up the tab, im sure it will be cheaper than AU troops and more effective.

and abbout hawiye bieng anti majerteen, you should say Habr gidir.
xawaadle and mudulood have always been suceptable to Majerteen influence.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

By resources i mean manpower, you had thousands of your clansmen bieng bodygaurds for abdulahi yusuf and not achieving anything,
while alshabab is running around causing chaos and destruction with about the same number of men. the highest estimates are 7000 fighters.

What if you get 2 to 3 times that number beefing up the anti-alshabab coalition?

Assuming ofcurse that the international community is willing to pick up the tab, im sure it will be cheaper than AU troops and more effective.

and abbout hawiye bieng anti majerteen, you should say Habr gidir.
xawaadle and mudulood have always been suceptable to Majerteen influence.

The thing is, Isaaq influence in Xamar is as hated as Majerteen/Darood influence in Xamar. Cabdirashid's scheme proved that when the Waqoyi representatives were specifically targeted, and funniest of all they stayed at a Majerteen-owned hotel of all the hotels in Xamar because you guys have less trust for Hawiye than we do and that's clear despite what's said on Somalinet. You need to understand that the people in Xamar don't want our brand of peace nor your brand of peace, they haven't paid taxes in 20 years and that's all they care about, not paying taxes and enjoying the loot, I say let them have their paradise.

By the way, Hawiye anarchy is not limited to HG - I thought it was, but its not. HG are quite statesman-like in comparison. Certainly, Mudulood are peaceful but they have no love for MJs. Xawaadle are on their own page. The little Hutus like Murusade and Duduble cause more trouble than HG. Either way, the anti-Majerteen thing is a pan-Hutu ideology, even the nice Mudulood believe in it, we just give them fancy Bari-Boowe talk to shut them up.

The difference between Abdullahi Yusuf's bodyguards and Al-Shabaab is their mission. As I said, ideas mean more than raw power - if Ethiopia, Puntland & Hutu warlords couldn't calm down a few sections of Xamar and Al-Shabaab did it in a few days it shows you that something other than raw power was used.


BTW, this is entirely off-topic, you need to focus on getting Somaliland's independence. This is 1988 all over again and you are in diaspora, as you were in 1988, so find a formula for independence this time instead of wasting another 20 years sitting till you're sore.

[gurey25]

The thing is, Isaaq influence in Xamar is as hated as Majerteen/Darood influence in Xamar. Cabdirashid's scheme proved that when the Waqoyi representatives were specifically targeted, and funniest of all they stayed at a Majerteen-owned hotel of all the hotels in Xamar because you guys have less trust for Hawiye than we do and that's clear despite what's said on Somalinet. You need to understand that the people in Xamar don't want our brand of peace nor your brand of peace, they haven't paid taxes in 20 years and that's all they care about, not paying taxes and enjoying the loot, I say let them have their paradise.

Common!! what influence??
There is zero isaaq influence in the south, Godane does not count as he does not represent isaaq and the dir woqooyi prostitutes are just prostitutes..
Hawiye do not hate isaaq influence becuase there is nothing to hate, it does not exist.
They hate what exists and affects them on a daily bases, you scheming and interferance..

and about taxes? what taxes do you think we pay taxes in somaliland? do you pay taxes in puntland
I am anti taxation my self, and i like it that way.

By the way, Hawiye anarchy is not limited to HG - I thought it was, but its not. HG are quite statesman-like in comparison. Certainly, Mudulood are peaceful but they have no love for MJs. Xawaadle are on their own page. The little Hutus like Murusade and Duduble cause more trouble than HG. Either way, the anti-Majerteen thing is a pan-Hutu ideology, even the nice Mudulood believe in it, we just give them fancy Bari-Boowe talk to shut them up.

Ask any HG here, mudulood have a soft spot for majerteen, there is no such thing as pan hawiye ideology at all.
If there was even a little bit, there would be peace overnight.
And you should know the moment hawiye kiss and make up and there is peace, you guys are pushed down to a level 3 or 4 player in somali politics.

The difference between Abdullahi Yusuf's bodyguards and Al-Shabaab is their mission. As I said, ideas mean more than raw power - if Ethiopia, Puntland & Hutu warlords couldn't calm down a few sections of Xamar and Al-Shabaab did it in a few days it shows you that something other than raw power was used.

I am not advocating raw power to defeat alshabab, it wont.
They will simply withdraw and harrass like good guerillas.
You need a large millitary force to do boring things like occupy stragetic towns and regions so that you can provide an alternative to alshabab
and cut off recruitment and supplies.
Thats the stick, then you need suitcases full of dollars and allot of qaad and meetings with elders of all the clans in the area.

very few of the clans are ideologically committed to alshabaab, its just that alshabaab is the only game in town.

A heavy miilitary fist and bags of dollars, thats how the taliban took over most of afghanistan.
All their biggest rivals switched sides immedietly, after a karbaashing following by some sweet talking and cash.

BTW, this is entirely off-topic, you need to focus on getting Somaliland's independence. This is 1988 all over again and you are in diaspora, as you were in 1988, so find a formula for independence this time instead of wasting another 20 years sitting till you're sore.

We are independant and will continue to be independant.
this is not 1988, in 1988 we face the entire somalia, and a modern armed force.
There is no conceivable millitary threat from a somali faction today and there will not for decades to come.

I maybe in the diaspora but people are moving back permanently to somaliland.
We ahve a home to visit.
My dad was an expat in the UAE for 30 years, and is retiring at the end of the year to go to Hargiesa.
He has a choice of Australia or the UK and he has residence for both but he is going to somalia..

Most of his friends and colleauges who also worked for corporations in the Gulf are already living in Somalia.
They are either running thier own businesses or are in Government or Teaching at colleges.

Basically what i am saying is that recognition or not, we are happy and confident that we are moving back home..

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

By resources i mean manpower, you had thousands of your clansmen bieng bodygaurds for abdulahi yusuf and not achieving anything,
while alshabab is running around causing chaos and destruction with about the same number of men. the highest estimates are 7000 fighters.

What if you get 2 to 3 times that number beefing up the anti-alshabab coalition?

Assuming ofcurse that the international community is willing to pick up the tab, im sure it will be cheaper than AU troops and more effective.

and abbout hawiye bieng anti majerteen, you should say Habr gidir.
xawaadle and mudulood have always been suceptable to Majerteen influence.

The thing is, Isaaq influence in Xamar is as hated as Majerteen/Darood influence in Xamar. Cabdirashid's scheme proved that when the Waqoyi representatives were specifically targeted, and funniest of all they stayed at a Majerteen-owned hotel of all the hotels in Xamar because you guys have less trust for Hawiye than we do and that's clear despite what's said on Somalinet. You need to understand that the people in Xamar don't want our brand of peace nor your brand of peace, they haven't paid taxes in 20 years and that's all they care about, not paying taxes and enjoying the loot, I say let them have their paradise.

By the way, Hawiye anarchy is not limited to HG - I thought it was, but its not. HG are quite statesman-like in comparison. Certainly, Mudulood are peaceful but they have no love for MJs. Xawaadle are on their own page. The little Hutus like Murusade and Duduble cause more trouble than HG. Either way, the anti-Majerteen thing is a pan-Hutu ideology, even the nice Mudulood believe in it, we just give them fancy Bari-Boowe talk to shut them up.

The difference between Abdullahi Yusuf's bodyguards and Al-Shabaab is their mission. As I said, ideas mean more than raw power - if Ethiopia, Puntland & Hutu warlords couldn't calm down a few sections of Xamar and Al-Shabaab did it in a few days it shows you that something other than raw power was used.


BTW, this is entirely off-topic, you need to focus on getting Somaliland's independence. This is 1988 all over again and you are in diaspora, as you were in 1988, so find a formula for independence this time instead of wasting another 20 years sitting till you're sore.

Why don't you go for independence, then? If the situation is as hopeless as you make it out, why are you still one with somalia? Somalinimo is dead, now it's just a question of the strongest entity getting total power and staying in total power like a hegemony. Why are you pretending to be the wounded soldier and saying "Go on without me!".

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Why would Puntland go for independence? We think beyond the temporary and sum up the pros and cons.

We have no real infrastructure to begin with and we have no exploitable resources. After independence we'd probably see a 30% boost to our economy because of the attraction to the new nation by foreign and regional investors but it would be nothing much. Our economy would be small and sterile just like Eritrea, only worse because we have NO infrastructure. And without resources, no one will invest in our infrastructure.

If we got this independence we'd experience a very small payoff but we'd permanently lose our place in Somali society. For us, the civil war is temporary and we know it, but Somalia is forever, and its not worth it to lose our place among Somalis just to have our own empty desert for a country.

99.9999999% of Somalia's resources are in the south, from rivers to oil fields and uranium deposits, its all in the far south. There is next to zero resources in Puntland regions or Waqoyi galbeed in comparison to the south. You would get your own country but it would not be any different than what you have now. Djibouti has been independent and peaceful for generations yet it is a shit hole with severe limitations on its potential due to having no resources and basically depending on its neighbors for survival. That's the future of an independent Somaliland or Puntland. Simply put, for both states, nothing will come out of recognition, absolutely nothing. The land we have won't become gold just because some fat white guy at the UN changes some documents and for that reason we will never seek independence, we don't want to trade something real for petty symbolism.

You need to understand that there is a treasure down south and we see no point in separating ourselves from this paradise over some temporary political situation. Civil wars end, Somalia will be around forever and we don't want to jump ship. I think there is just a fundamental difference between Majerteen/Darood and Isaaq/Reer Waqoyi; we always saw a wider world and we always explored the fringes of the unknown, we can see for miles beyond our vast plains in Mudug far into Xamar and Marka and Kismayo and we want to taste it because we KNOW for certain it is better than what we have and we are never afraid of the risks. Just as my great grandfather left the peaceful surroundings of Nugaal 150 years ago to explore the jungles of Jubbada Hoose the people in Nugaal today also think of the fields of mangoes and maize. Today if you travel in Garowe and Bosaso you will see countless business establishments named after southern towns. We still linger for this paradise and the gold it holds, maybe if you tasted this you would know how we feel about the south.

Maybe you will never understand what I'm saying. To put it simply, we have the shitty side of the country and we'd rather wait it out and share the fruits of the south than split with our empty desert with no certain future. If Mali was attached to Algeria, and Algeria suffered a civil war, Mali would be much better off to wait it out until the situation in Algeria improved because independence would prove no gains for Mali while peace in Algeria-Mali union would bring prosperity and wealth to Malians. If you were a Malian in that situation would you really want to lose access to the beautiful Mediterranean and all the economic power that comes with all Mediterranean nations. I wouldn't. But then again, I'm a critical thinker, I can't say that for the "flag waving" Ictiraafians