Somali prime minister trips to Ethiopia

[Coeus]

This was Xeyle Salassie and Siad Barre when we were more of a threat to each other than today. It is called "diplomatic protocol", something not every kid who can write on the net is expected to understand.

[Shirib]

Wikileaks said US paid for it, Zenawi wanted to go, no one forced him. He could have said no, so don't try to make America the scape goat. And don't make it sound like Ethiopia's interference in Somali accords started in 2006, they've been meddling in Somali affairs for a long time, and have been the key antagonist country. If the PM was a man who was capable of reaching his own decisions then I would welcome his visit, but the guy isn't free to say anything. He can't even walk in his own capital city without foreign troops, so stop the BS that its an alright diplomatic visit. Ethiopia is doing the same thing to him, which they were doing to his predecessors. Don't try to make the situation seem as if Farmaajo is a capable man meeting Ethiopia on equal terms, cause that's the last thing it is. And if there is a country that has been meddling in Somali affairs more than Ethiopia please come forward and say so, if not get outta here with the fairy tale that you are trying to convince yourself of

What are you arguing about? Wallahi I don't get. What are you exactly arguing about? Did Voltage say Farmaajo or TFG is/are an independent entities capable of walking outside without AMISOM protection? Did Voltage say Ethiopia is not an enemy of Somalia or that Zenewi might have been motivated even by Ethiopian history to invade? I said none of those...but since you said it, how could a TFG president or prime minister, refuse diplomatic protocol and snub one of our neighbors while visitng others? How could Sheikh Sharif who was part of the ICU leadership that fought against Ethiopia and for years after that planned anti-Ethiopian invasion political moves from Eritrea and Djibouti be any more "Ethiopian-loving" than say you? How is his following of diplomatic protocol be construed as such? The Saudi king invites Ahmedinejad to Saudi and kisses him while privately telling US to cut off his snake. My point is ciyaal baad tahay who have a misinformed interpretation or understanding about the running and functioning of a state or government apparatus. These matters are not as easy as you getting up and choosing to go to the bathroom or not.

p.s. As for Farmaajo's stance against Ethiopian political interference, I think his Master's Thesis said more than enough.

If I'm ciyaal then you half way either brain dead or you're deluding yourself. There is no diplomacy here, who are you trying to fool. Farmaajo is going to get orders nothing more nothing less. He brings nothing to the table and Ethiopia calls the shots. That's what everyone has been saying. That's what everyone has been saying since Abdullahi Yusuf has been in power, and I'm pretty sure you've alluded to the same things in the past. The only diplomatic protocol here is Ethiopia deepening the rift of Somalia through their puppets

Talk is cheap, anyone can say what they want, the actions is what defines people later.

[kambuli]

Inteena golaha ku jirtaa, haddii aan heshiino, Somalina way heshiin Horta bal inagii qadada haysanay aan heshiino.. Then can be saved..

[grandpakhalif]

I don't understand what's the big controvery? PM Farmaajo is simply strengthening diplomatic ties just like all statesmen in the world ? Should we forever label Ethiopians as the devil or should we be realistic and interact with them? Ethiopia is not going nowhere anytime soon, we should respect her sovereignty and allow our heads of state to show their respect. Just as the U.S and Canada have strong ties, while they were once enemies.

[grandpakhalif]

I'm not suprised that many would blow the whistle and have screamed dabodhilif. If you read Farmaajo's book he criticizes Ethiopia on numerous occasions, a man of his caliber would not take orders from an external entities.

God damn badows don't know anything about Foreign policies.

[Murax]

Talk is cheap, anyone can say what they want, the actions is what defines people later.

Good, then bring any logical action that is against Somali National Interest and I'll cosign what You are saying. Whether its AMISOM in Xamar, corruption in the TFG, etc. those are all for example fair criticisms. Visiting Ethiopia is a very silly one, plain and simple.

[Voltage]

If I'm ciyaal then you half way either brain dead or you're deluding yourself. There is no diplomacy here, who are you trying to fool. Farmaajo is going to get orders nothing more nothing less. He brings nothing to the table and Ethiopia calls the shots. That's what everyone has been saying. That's what everyone has been saying since Abdullahi Yusuf has been in power, and I'm pretty sure you've alluded to the same things in the past. The only diplomatic protocol here is Ethiopia deepening the rift of Somalia through their puppets

Talk is cheap, anyone can say what they want, the actions is what defines people later.

Do you read things without understanding first? What statement have I made with respect to why Farmaajo visited Ethiopia? How am I deluding myself when I didn't say what I expect or don't expect from the visit? For your info do you even know Ethiopia did not want this guy to be PM and asked Sharif twice to name Saacid Shirdoon? What orders is he getting from a country whose military and influence on the ground in Somalia has been shown to be a farce? By that token what orders did he get from Djibouti which is the country he visited prior? The reality is you are a Shabaab sympathizer and like OliveOil said anti-Sade so keep up with the the rhetoric and strong feelings based on nothing tangible. If Ethiopia was deepening rifts they have tried to do it on his confirmation vote where they asked their loyalties to bring down this guy as well as the ministerial vote where they asked to put roadblocks on this guy succeeding. The fact that Farmaajo visited Djibouti first and the latest from the time he assumed position out of any Somali political leader since the inception of the TFG says as much.

[EEGA9]

Its not about been belligerent towards Ethiopia or ignoring them altogether but a question of whether the Goverment can pursue Independent Political policies within the National Interest without bowing to Ethiopian Influence.Its a matter of Soveriegnty.

[D-Runner]

Voltage,

I can't quite pinpoint the thread where you stated if Mr. Farmajo travels to Ethiopia and meets with Melez that you will quit Snet... But now that Mr. Farmajo is in Ethiopia and that meeting is imminent it sounds like your backing out.

You and your U-turn

[Voltage]

Its not about been belligerent towards Ethiopia or ignoring them altogether but a question of whether the Goverment can pursue Independent Political policies within the National Interest without bowing to Ethiopian Influence.Its a matter of Soveriegnty.

And how do you gauge that? Not visiting the country after you have made your rounds in all the other neighboring countries on your first foreign visit in power? Ridiculous.

[Shift]

If silaanyo,faroole and shariif visit malez it is considered ugly,what makes farmajo any diffrent?

[Voltage]

Voltage,

I can't quite pinpoint the thread where you stated if Mr. Farmajo travels to Ethiopia and meets with Melez that you will quit Snet... But now that Mr. Farmajo is in Ethiopia and that meeting is imminent it sounds like your backing out.

You and your U-turn

If he was like Cumar Abdirashiid who went to Ethiopia and Ethiopia only a week after being selected Premier. Not in this situation two months later and Ethiopia second in courtesy stops to neighboring countries.

[Voltage]

What I cannot understand until now is Why people keep bringing all these mutually exclusive elements together to support their case, when if anything it is detrimental to their case. I keep hearing: "Somalia is weak so they should not visit Ethiopia".


So in essence if You are a weak, inept Government You should duck out and ignore all International Protocol. You are a Transitional Government yet should not try to mimic what other established Governments do. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What Individuals should be judged on is POLICY and Legaslation not which one of their neighbors Countries they visit. Iraq which is a extremely weak Country today visits Iran, are they getting instruction and orders from Iran? I guarantee You if they have a Sunni leader He would do the same thing. I never dismissed criticism of this Farmaajo dude, and never jumped in the middle of anyone bashing the TFG, but this whole arguement is so stupid and ridiculous and I have not seen anyone bring anything to substantiate these Reer Baadiye views except hot air and emotion.


Fyi,

The whole world breaks down into powerful and weak, people who are ordered and people who are not. Rest assured when all the worlds heads of states get together, theres a good chance one is in a position of strength over the other especially with Countries in the same region. Waa la kala sareeya and thats just the way the world works. Now I'm not saying that is what is happening with Farmaajo and Meles but even if it is that is still not a good enough reason to dismiss all International Protocol and Norms and not visit the damn Country


You Guys shot Yourselves in the foot with Your own guns.

[ahmed yey]

farmanjo has the right to go to any country in this world .explore the world adeer.

[Shirib]

Why do we go around here as if we do not know what Ethiopia does to the Somali leaders regardless of who they are. Djibouti is not the country that is stirring the war in Somalia.
But yea it already seems like you’ve boiled the whole equation down to me sympathizing with Shabaab and hating your clan, as if either of those benefit me. But be my guest.