Busting the myth of secular islam

[melo]

The huduud are misunderstood. This misunderstanding has come out of its butchering by groups like Al-shaabab and the Talibaan. The books of fiqh put regulations and limits of the huduud. Al-shabaab cut people's hands off when they steal a piece of bread from a shopping market. That is a distortion of the shariah of Allah. Like wise, the only way you can enforce the huduud for Zina and fornication is for 4 witnesses to witness it, or a confession. Now tell me, how are Shabaab able to implement these huduud so frequently, when historically speaking, the huduud were implemented very little? Our Nabi saws sent a lady back 3 times i believe when she wanted to confess for adultery. This is wisdom. Shabaab and their co-horts are zealots who paint Islam in a very negative light. Islamophobes jump on these groups as proof to their western audience about the barbarity of the Sharica.

[SultanOrder]

this is hardly an intelligent debate

Grandpa don't stop listening to BV she raises good points, and you should seek the correct answers. You are in no way in a position to tell people I can't listen to you, for the simple fact you and us have very little knowledge and understanding. So it is probably best if we just drop this issue.

[grandpakhalif]

PO read what she says acuudibillah

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

If you believe that to, wallahi we have nothing to debate

[Shirib]

Cutting off limbs and stoning is fun. If you never done it, I encourage u to try it.

[grandpakhalif]

Cutting off limbs and stoning is fun. If you never done it, I encourage u to try it.

Shirib do you agree with this statement ?

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

[Basra-]

grandpa

so basically u r saying-- al shabaab, taliban are equally BAD as the west who promote secular muslimniimo? Would your alter ego Voltage accept this philosophy too?

[BlackVelvet]

PO read what she says acuudibillah

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

If you believe that to, wallahi we have nothing to debate

Was there IVF, organ transplant, derivatives and nuclear weapons during the time of the prophet or the sahaba? That is why any legal system needs to change and adapt, societies grow and technology develops. Are you living in a secluded island of some sort, where do you get this blocked mentality from, sometimes you can be so close minded it's shocking you have survived this long in America.

[ToughGong]

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

Sharia alrady has that capacity,it's called Ishtahaad

[Shirib]

PO read what she says acuudibillah

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

If you believe that to, wallahi we have nothing to debate

Was there IVF, organ transplant, derivatives and nuclear weapons during the time of the prophet or the sahaba? That is why any legal system needs to change and adapt, societies grow and technology develops. Are you living in a secluded island of some sort, where do you get this blocked mentality from, sometimes you can be so close minded it's shocking you have survived this long in America.

Umm he's Canadian, as an United Statesmen we reserve the term America strictly for the United States.

[Shirib]

Cutting off limbs and stoning is fun. If you never done it, I encourage u to try it.

Shirib do you agree with this statement ?

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

People make sharia out to be more complex than it really is.

[SultanOrder]

PO read what she says acuudibillah

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

If you believe that to, wallahi we have nothing to debate

Well sharia is an oragnic law that is so broad in it's scope and so versatile in it's application for whatever age and time that she is correct in that, and is often used in arguments for shariah. The thing that never changes is the xaduud which is applicable in every age, and we should not compromise in this. It is meant to be scary, and a very ugly thing that people should fear so that they stay away from it. But then again something like over 500 years of ottoman rule and only maybe a handful full of stonnings occurred. Also, the issues that have to do with worship cannot be changed.

But when governance occurs than people come in to the factor, and they are in no way perfect, and we should be able to hold them accountable, have ways to protect the people from tyrants etc.

I can't really answer the questions well. But remember that shariah is an attempt to align humanity with the will of Allah by human minds which are far from perfect, and wrong is our fault and not inherit with shariah.

[Leila25]

Was there IVF, organ transplant, derivatives and nuclear weapons during the time of the prophet or the sahaba? That is why any legal system needs to change and adapt, societies grow and technology develops. Are you living in a secluded island of some sort, where do you get this blocked mentality from, sometimes you can be so close minded it's shocking you have survived this long in America.

What about inheritance laws, should men inherit more than women in an age where many women financially contribute to the household. Should women inherit more than their brothers if they are lone parents or widows, or is it set in a stone.

[SultanOrder]

Cutting off limbs and stoning is fun. If you never done it, I encourage u to try it.

Shirib do you agree with this statement ?

If Shari'a is to be used as a form of governance you need to be able to question it, change it, adapt it as new situations arise

People make sharia out to be more complex than it really is.

it most certainly is complex, and that is why the greatest of minds in islamic history were the ulema

[Shirib]

Was there IVF, organ transplant, derivatives and nuclear weapons during the time of the prophet or the sahaba? That is why any legal system needs to change and adapt, societies grow and technology develops. Are you living in a secluded island of some sort, where do you get this blocked mentality from, sometimes you can be so close minded it's shocking you have survived this long in America.

What about inheritance laws, should men inherit more than women in an age where many women financially contribute to the household. Should women inherit more than their brothers if they are lone parents or widows, or is it set in a stone.

Inheritance is from the Quran. The Quran cannot be changed. Its set in stone.

Keep in mind in Islamic law, whatever the women got was hers alone, and whatever brother got it was his duty to provide for his sister if she is not married.

Furthermore it is obligatory for a man to provide for his family, whatever a woman puts forth is considered sadaqa for her.

Women have it good.

[Basra-]

[quote="Leila25"][quote="BlackVelvet"]
Was there IVF, organ transplant, derivatives and nuclear weapons during the time of the prophet or the sahaba? That is why any legal system needs to change and adapt, societies grow and technology develops. Are you living in a secluded island of some sort, where do you get this blocked mentality from, sometimes you can be so close minded it's shocking you have survived this long in America.[/quote]

What about inheritance laws, should men inherit more than women in an age where many women financially contribute to the household. Should women inherit more than their brothers if they are lone parents or widows, or is it set in a stone.[/quote]


Leila

dont u think, asking that question is an oxy-moron deal? before you trouble yourself with the woes of inheritance laws, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the thought that in Islam women are not allowed to be working, much less leave their home without the escort of her husband or father.