Ali Matan Hashi father of Somali Air Corps

[TheblueNwhite]

[Based]

I don't see why we need to "Qabiilize" everything. It's obvious every Somali qabiil buu ka dhashey, but Ali Matan's legacy isn't a part of "Mareexaan history" as much as it is Somali history. It's like me trying to contest General Daud's legacy out of spite, or claiming he was made a General because his cousin was the President

Let's not sully the legacy of these great men because of our petty post-civil war disagreements. We should celebrate these great men for the visionaries and pioneers they were

Ya right. If you believed even a word of the stuff you wrote above, you wouldn't be accepting the dismissal and denial of the vital contributions made by the other 4 pilots that trained with Mataan Hashi and solely considering him the father of the Somali Air Corps and First Pilot without a single evidence whatsoever. Phony people have a way of giving their identity away. You are a troll and a sad one at that.

A man who had the audacity to write "Lol@ accusing me being driven by clan impulses" and "Alhamdulilah, Mudulood made the most significant majority in the Somali Air Force" in the same post is accusing me of being a qabiilist troll.

You really are mad

[IronSheik]

Jesus f-king Christ, here I was thinking you were just angry at people (allegedly) downplaying the achievements of others because of qabyaalad.

Lol @ the "my qabiil is better than your qabiil" rant that came out of nowhere.

btw, what is Mudulood?

Illahay ka baq waa maxay "Jesus christ" waa hadal iyo shago gaalo. Don't say those things akhi its no good respect nabi issa iyo diinta.

[RovingMadness]

I don't know why my last comment was deleted. This is unacceptable & the limits are being pushing here.

XimaanJaale,

Illiterate country-pumpkins like you should not be allowed to post on public forums. You are an irrational diseases lunatic. No wonder your wife left you. You are an abject failure. You should be banned for comparing Gen Daud Abdulle Hirsi to Mataan Hashi. Gen Daud was the father of the military and he is the reason why you & your backers are cheering for Mataan Hashi in this topic. Don't insult the dignity of Gen Daud Abdulle Hirsi.

Based.

You are a Marehan member that's invested in the outcome of this discussion so there's no reason for neutral pretense. Voltage claimed I was objecting to Mataan Hashi being the so called first pilot or father of the air force because my clan was not mentioned. My comment was in reaction to his.

You guys are so pathetic

[abdalla11]

Gen Daud and Ali Mataan were both at a time under Gen Muhammed Abshir ee meel naga fadhiista

[ina aadan]

Gen Daud and Ali Mataan were both at a time under Gen Muhammed Abshir ee meel naga fadhiista

[abdalla11]

Ina Aadan, do you know you are (still) part of our private group

[RovingMadness]

Gen Daud and Ali Mataan were both at a time under Gen Muhammed Abshir ee meel naga fadhiista

[ina aadan]

Ina Aadan, do you know you are (still) part of our private group

Waraa iga dhaafe

[Voltage]

Gen Cali Mataan Xaashi was the first Somali man to fly and among the first 5 Somali men sent officially for training. One of the pioneer Somali pilots Ahmed Hassan Hareed pays tribute to him on the ave of the anniversary of Somalia's air force:

General Ali Matan Hashi was the first Somali ever to fly and is therefore regarded as a Somali Hero.

http://qaranimo.com/2011/feb/sanadguura ... 5_2011.htm

He was the leader of the representation of Somali aviation development. The first flights in independent Somalia inside of the Republic connecting the the capitals of the unified Somali state were codenamed in his honor.



He also became the Commander of the Somali air force from independence until his death in the 70's when he was replaced by Gen Dhudhi, another pioneer in Somali aviation development.

Photo of the head of the head of the hangar units, hared and his team popularly credited for performance in maintenance of Dakota (23/02/64). The commander of the Somalia air force, col. Ali Matan Hashi has recognized their excellence in technical maintenance and upgrading of the airplanes for mid-air fight, this was at the height of the 1964 war with Ethiopia.

http://somavires.org/history2.html

Gen. Ali Matan Hashi: Somali national icon

[RovingMadness]

No-one is disputing Mataan Hashi was a commander of the air force. The argument was whether he was the absolute first pilot. I don't think so & there's no evidence to support otherwise. What has been established in this discussion is that he was part of 5 men chosen to train as future Somali pilots. The burden of proof lies with you to show that he had prior aviation experience as a pilot before he trained with the other 4 pilots in Italy. That's all we ask for; not a petty trick to highlight an already known fact that he was the first commander of the air force then to use it to argue that he was the first pilot. 

Since you used Col Hareed as a source; well Col Hareed writes in his diary that Ali Mataan Hashi was 1/5 of the founding fathers of the Somali Air Force.

 

My special  congratulatory message to the veteran flight Captain Mohamud Abdullahi Barre (faytan) and his wife, as the only survivors of the five founding pilots of the Air Force, who have obtained license in 1954 and flown 15 different types both in military and civilian. Faytan was the first pilot trained on jet fighter in Egypt In 1961. The same fighter became the first airplanes that came in use with in the national force by 1963. Faytan has contributed to the foundation pillars of the national carrier, Somalia Airlines in which he has being a pilot from 1964 – 1990.

http://somavires.org/diary


This is the plane he originally trained with 4 other pilots. It's a plane with a wooden propeller. Your objective in this discussion is to establish that he was already trained in such plane since we know for fact that he was not the first Somali to fly a fighter jet since that distinction belongs to Captain Faytaan.

 


photos defining the memorable occasions of the air force. The first plane that was used in the training of four of the five pilots in Somalia(1954) was Stinson L.5 Sentinel
Photos above shows: Ali Matan Hashi, Ali Jama Ali, Mohamud Abdullahi Barre and Abdullahi Elmi (Abdulahi Usey) while the fifth is Ahmed Sheikh Macow He was directly train in 1956s in Italy while the remaining four took the second training

[Voltage]

He was obviously their leader which is why become the commander of the air force and had the official Somalia independent flights codenamed to his name. Even if you look at the pattern in which the 5 official first are mentioned by Hared, you notice Ali Matan Hashi is named first. It is a psychological glimpse from Hareed's writing into what he considered importance. As of now do I have definitive proof that he was flying before that "official" training, no; but is widely known? Yes, which is why I will look for the information more in depth.

[RovingMadness]

Keep me updated if you do.

[RovingMadness]

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[Voltage]

Thanks for highlighting Faytan was the first to fly military jet. Unfortunately, it would have been obscured if we just looked at Ali Matan.