Are Shias better than Sunnis?

[Alphanumeric]

Colonel. because i know its a sin to call a Muslim kafir I mean would you like if i called u a kafir just because you sin?



Alphanumeric does killing take you out of Islam?

So, the man who killed Umar, who's amongst Mubashiril Jannah, the second most important man after the Messengers, a man among those "who Allaah is pleased with", a man who expanded the Muslim world more rapidly than any other, a man who not enough good can be said about him..... his killer, his assassin that killed him during the Salah as he read the Qur'aan... that faasiq is a Muslim?

[Alphanumeric]

It's just that the wording in your Q confused me this time sxb

If someone rejects what's in the Qur'an, are they Muslim?

It was rhetorical bro.

[makumba59]

Better in what way? Politicaly and on the world stage Shia seem to be in a better position than their fellow Sunnis. Shia are the only ones that are giving the finger to the west while a finger is in the backend of the Sunnis. So in a sense the Shias are better than the Sunnis but in terms of the deen Sunnis are on the right path while the Shias have strayed.

[greenday]

Colonel. because i know its a sin to call a Muslim kafir I mean would you like if i called u a kafir just because you sin?



Alphanumeric does killing take you out of Islam?

How are they Muslims in the first place if they reject Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as the last messenger? Sigh, no point discussing with girls...they'll never accept advice even if their life depended on it.

Because like i said to be a Muslim you must believe in the shahada which does not state that Mohamed was the last prophet anyway lets stop because i dont want to cause you more sins by calling Muslims Kafir

Colonel. because i know its a sin to call a Muslim kafir I mean would you like if i called u a kafir just because you sin?

Alphanumeric does killing take you out of Islam?

So, the man who killed Umar, who's amongst Mubashiril Jannah, the second most important man after the Messengers, a man among those "who Allaah is pleased with", a man who expanded the Muslim world more rapidly than any other, a man who not enough good can be said about him..... his killer, his assassin that killed him during the Salah as he read the Qur'aan... that faasiq is a Muslim?

Fiiri you and i dont decide who is or isn't Muslim, i've never heard of murder taking someone out of Islam if you have something i am willing to see it.

[ToughGong]

A1
Wasn't Abu-Lu'lu'ah a Zorastrian

[Colonel]

Colonel. because i know its a sin to call a Muslim kafir I mean would you like if i called u a kafir just because you sin?



Alphanumeric does killing take you out of Islam?

How are they Muslims in the first place if they reject Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as the last messenger? Sigh, no point discussing with girls...they'll never accept advice even if their life depended on it.

Because like i said to be a Muslim you must believe in the shahada which does not state that Mohamed was the last prophet anyway lets stop because i dont want to cause you more sins by calling Muslims Kafir

Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing. {33:40}

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)

Narrated Jubair bin Mutim:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have five names: I am Muhammad and Ahmad; I am Al-Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate infidelity; I am Al-Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, the people being resurrected there after; and I am also Al-'Aqib (i.e. There will be no prophet after me)." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 732)

Are you still claiming that the diin does not tell us that Rasullulah (SAW) is the last Prophet? You can't just take pillars of islam without looking at them in details, for example the 2nd pillar is to pray salah at their fixed times...however does it tell us how to pray? no we need the Hadith to understand the pillars of salah just like we need Quran and Hadith to understand the pillars of Islam.

[greenday]

Colonel, I dont get you it doesn't say pray at those times sax but if you dont pray at those times your still a Muslim like saying Mohamed is a prophet but he is not the last prophet would mean you ares still a muslim. Both might make you a sinner but not kafir.

[Colonel]

Colonel, I dont get you it doesn't say pray at those times sax but if you dont pray at those times your still a Muslim like saying Mohamed is a prophet but he is not the last prophet would mean you ares still a muslim. Both might make you a sinner but not kafir.

I was making a point that you need the Quran and Hadith to understand the pillars of Islam
Where is you source for that? can you bring any hadith to back your claim? the Ulama have agreed that claiming that Rasullulah (SAW) isn't the last prophet takes you out of islam, it's a fundamentals that 99% of Muslims know to be honest.
Your just coming up with your own interpretations of the diin now which is a very dangerous game to play

[Alphanumeric]

Fiiri you and i dont decide who is or isn't Muslim, i've never heard of murder taking someone out of Islam if you have something i am willing to see it.

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 204:

Narrated Al-Hasan:

(Al-Ahnaf said:) I went out carrying my arms during the nights of the affliction (i.e. the war between 'Ali and 'Aisha) and Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I intend to help the cousin of Allah's Apostle (i.e.,'Ali)." Abu Bakra said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'If two Muslims take out their swords to fight each other, then both of them will be from amongst the people of the Hell-Fire.' It was said to the Prophet, 'It is alright for the killer but what about the killed one?' He replied, 'The killed one had the intention to kill his opponent.'" (See Hadith No. 30, Vol. 1) - al-Bukhari


TG, yeah, I had that inkling but wasn't sure. Anyway, the same can be said about the other companions who were killed.

[Alphanumeric]

Colonel, I dont get you it doesn't say pray at those times sax but if you dont pray at those times your still a Muslim like saying Mohamed is a prophet but he is not the last prophet would mean you ares still a muslim. Both might make you a sinner but not kafir.

Muhammad (SAW) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allāh and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allāh is Ever All­Aware of everything. (Al-Ahzab 33:40)

C'mon.

[Colonel]

Colonel, I dont get you it doesn't say pray at those times sax but if you dont pray at those times your still a Muslim like saying Mohamed is a prophet but he is not the last prophet would mean you ares still a muslim. Both might make you a sinner but not kafir.

Muhammad (SAW) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allāh and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allāh is Ever All­Aware of everything. (Al-Ahzab 33:40)

C'mon.

lol saxiib I don't know what this girl is on about, you could bring proof after proof but she'll still babble on making no sense at all.

[greenday]

Fiiri you and i dont decide who is or isn't Muslim, i've never heard of murder taking someone out of Islam if you have something i am willing to see it.

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 204:

Narrated Al-Hasan:

(Al-Ahnaf said:) I went out carrying my arms during the nights of the affliction (i.e. the war between 'Ali and 'Aisha) and Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I intend to help the cousin of Allah's Apostle (i.e.,'Ali)." Abu Bakra said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'If two Muslims take out their swords to fight each other, then both of them will be from amongst the people of the Hell-Fire.' It was said to the Prophet, 'It is alright for the killer but what about the killed one?' He replied, 'The killed one had the intention to kill his opponent.'" (See Hadith No. 30, Vol. 1) - al-Bukhari


TG, yeah, I had that inkling but wasn't sure. Anyway, the same can be said about the other companions who were killed.

Let me see if i get this it says they are

hen both of them will be from amongst the people of the Hell-Fire.'

so they are still muslim but they will go to hell? i know that many muslims go to hell what i want to know is if killing someone makes you a non muslim.

[greenday]

this is the shahada, la ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah, can one of you give me the translation for this?

[Alphanumeric]

so they are still muslim but they will go to hell? i know that many muslims go to hell what i want to know is if killing someone makes you a non muslim.

This is a good question, but greenday, I think you should take some time to review aqeedah.

[greenday]

so they are still muslim but they will go to hell? i know that many muslims go to hell what i want to know is if killing someone makes you a non muslim.

This is a good question, but greenday, I think you should take some time to review aqeedah.

Am fine with my believes alhamdulilah.