salafi fitna on the somali sisters

[godness]

OK ..

But Are You A Salafi,,,
What Made You Become A Salafi And How Do You Become One?

[surrender]

with all do respect dawatul_Haqq you sound woman/man of religion and masha'alaah to you. but you have to undersand something. the SALAFI you talking about and the ones in birmingham only share the name, but the content and the actionS differ!! the ones in b'ham and many other cities in the UK have caused major problems within families, seperating duaghter from her mother, a son from he's father. deviding familes, giving people the ultimate its us or them situation. islam doesnt have to be that way., yes by all means learn the religion, follow it and preach if u must. dont make people's lives harder. the whole point of our religion to make our lives at ease! islam is not a hard/extreme religion the media makes out of it, but these people have proven that media might be right. they not of course. but when they force girls to cover head to toe and if dont, she aint one of them. and believe me it happned to a friend of mine, she joined their mosque, within one week they kicked her out because she stopped wearing the veil and they said to her its us or who ever gives u order! thats not fair on the person, some youngestrs believe this "its us or them" and leave their parents and families homes to live with people who they dont know! within months they get hitched with another "brother" they dont know who this person is, what they do for living, or their personality! at then end they have to live with complete stranger who wants to control everything with iron fist. i hear the stories of innocent somali girls who marry them and end up being abused daily. our religion doesnt to teach to be abusive to your patner! does it! must everything about them be so harsh and extreme.

dhexdhexaadku waa wax fiican!

[Enlightened~Sista]

^^^^ top marks for u


dhexdhexaad or the ''middle path' is anatheme to the Salafis...everything is black and white to them...if anyone of you wants to know more about them..go to their masajid..but be on your guard always and observe them ..for a couple of months..you shall know them by their fruits.

[Firefly]

E~S:- It's good to have you back huni..

surrender:- Well said sis. All things in moderation.


Dawatul_Haqq

Wa-alaikum Salaam Wa Rahmatulahi Wa Barakatuh,

With all due respect bro/sis, I think you've misunderstood. There's nothing wrong with the path of the Salaf, and nobody is against this path, and I don't think its this path the posters here are referring to. But this other group that call themselves 'Salafis' are very extreme, and anyone who disagrees with them is astray, so it's either their way or the highway. They are a hizb (party), and we know those who follow the Salaf are not a hizb, because every Muslim should be on the path of the Salaf. The first question they ask you is; "Are you a Salafi?" What's that about? Isn't it enough that they're Muslims?

I don't think anyone is criticising the path of the Salaf, but we're criticising these people who go around calling themselves Salafis, and keep preying on innocent/naive brothers and sisters.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Hey Firefly ... good to have u back too

[dawatul_Haqq]

Asalamu alaykium

Allahu Mustaan

Ok Brothers and Sisters put the term Salafi aside and look at the actual dawah these people are conveying by far they are the closest to the sunnah then any so call group. and where ARE YOUR evidences to say salafiyya is a Hizb audubiallah ALLAHU MUSTAAN. sister surrender looks to be like you have a thing against salafis i have never heard of any of the events u mentioned and most of my friends are non niqaabs and to make one thing clear most salafis believe niqaab is not wajib but highly recommened and you can read up on this from the works of the ulema like shaykh Albani rahimuallah. By saying something is wajib then that means every sister who is not wearing a niqaab is committing a sin subhanallah so am baffled on where this incident you are talking abt happened because like i said most salafis hold the opinion niqaab is not fard however the jilbab is and we wont get into that for now inshallah ta'ala. Most salafi sisters choose to wear the niqaab as the mothers of the believers did and they are our role models may allah grant them the highest level of Jannah Ameen



Looks to me that most of the things you sisters are mentioning you just heard from someone u know do you listen to everything you hear did allah subhanallahu wa ta'ala not give you an Aqaal. take up my proposals go talk to the sisters at the masjids and put your questions forward to them with an open mind

Inshallah lets be careful what we say about people and allahs religion without knowledge as it a very dangerous thing and lets fear allah and a day thats great and be careful about what are tongues utter for verily our own tomgue will testify against our own souls and there is an angel waiting to dot down every thing you say,

As for birmingham then i can put put articales by ulemas and what they have said about them if anyone requests them inshalllah.

Please lets not start an arguement and lets address each other with some respect ikwaan

Asalamu alaykium warahmatuallahi Wabarakatu

[Enlightened~Sista]

Oh yeah....they use 'Allahul Must'aan' A LOT...wallahi no joke..

also akhiii...ukhtii..mar iyaakoo sister walaal isticmaalaya ma arkaysaan..i know other Muslims might use that term occasionally but Salafis ALL the time.

also the sisters dont use their real name..its always UMM something..even if they're not married..or have any kids ..i dont know if its to put off the brothers or whatever.

[dawatul_Haqq]

Oh yeah....they use 'Allahul Must'aan' A LOT...wallahi no joke..

also akhiii...ukhtii..mar iyaakoo sister walaal isticmaalaya ma arkaysaan..i know other Muslims might use that term occasionally but Salafis ALL the time.

also the sisters dont use their real name..its always UMM something..even if they're not married..or have any kids ..i dont know if its to put off the brothers or whatever.

subhanallah do you realise you are Mocking at the deen of ALLAH... and not at me sis May allah guide you and forgive you ameen.

Inshallah i will end it here for i do not want to indulge in arguements.

Asalamau alaykium

[xoxoBubblesxoxo]

Subhanalah I fell of my chair when I read this post.... I go the Salfi masjid and im sure of it yes on coventry road
I haven't heard of this at all.. And if it is true, then just make dua for all these brothers/sisters to guide them on the right path..

[xoxoBubblesxoxo]

I know for a fact, that when you get into this 'circle' just a few months pass by, you WILL BE ASKED>> Sister, there is a brother who is looking for marriage are you interested?
If your answer is NO, few weeks go by, few sisters walk past and there it is again. Alhamdulilah dont feel the
need to marry a 'Salafi Brother'. However, NOT ALL SOMALI SISTERS at the salafi masjid do this, it is minority. And yes, they did marry a brother who is not somali but it is not as if they knew this would happen. That is if it did.

[toby]

as'salaamu aly'kum

Our prophet sala lahu alyhim wasalim said 'its sufficient for a man to be known as a lie that he narrates everything he hears'
allah subhanawatalla says in his mighty book "O you who believe! if a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you became regretful to what you have done" surah hujarat

ya ikhwaan ya akhwaat who from us has verified this news? or have you caused more harm in this vile speach.

oh my sister and brothers do you mock the deen of allah to make the people laugh in this forum

or are you my sister astonished with the words akhi or ukhti meaning my brother, my sister. as allah said in his quran ' verily we have sent it down as arabic quran in order that you may understand" surah yusuf

and the language of our prophet wasn't somali or english or any other tongue and its upon every muslim to learn arabic as its the gateway to the deen and to understaning quran
as the our prophet sala lahu alyhim wasalim said "who ever allah wants good for he gives himunderstanding of deen"
also it is a sunnah to have the kunya meaning calling yourself abu idrees or umm ridwan etc.

O MY BROTHERS AND SISTER ITS NOT CORRECT TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF FALSE HOOD THE SAME WAY YOU WOULDNT LIKE TO BE ACCUSED. THIS IS NOT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BELIEVERS THAT THEY BELIE THERE OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ISLAM IN FORUMS.

YA IKHWAN YA AKHWAAT I CALL YOU ALL TO THE WORDS OF ALLAH SUBHANAWATALLA AND IN HIS QURAN Oh mankind (all of mankind), worship the Lord Who created you. (Al-Baqarah 2:21)


So He (ta'aalaa) said: Say (O Muhammad, salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam): "This is my way; I invite unto Allaah (i.e. to the Oneness of Allaah - Islaamic Monotheism) with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me (also must invite others to Allaah i.e to the Oneness of Allaah - Islaamic Monotheism with sure knowledge). And Glorified and Exalted be Allaah (above all that they associate as partners with Him). And I am not of the Mushrikeen (polytheists, pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah; those who worship others along with Allaah or set up rivals or partners to Allaah)." (Yoosuf 12:108)

And He (ta'aalaa) said: Invite (mankind, O Muhammad (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islaam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'aan) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. (An-Nahl 16:125)

And He (ta'aalaa) said: And invite (men) to (believe in) your Lord [i.e: in the Oneness (Tawheed) of Allaah (1) Oneness of the Lordship of Allaah; (2) Oneness of the worship of Allaah; (3) Oneness of the Names and Attributes of Allaah], and be not of Al-Mushrikeen (those who associate partners with Allaah, e.g. polytheists, pagans, idolaters, those who disbelieve in the Oneness of Allaah and deny the Prophethood of Messenger Muhammad (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)). (Al-Qasas 28:87)

And He (ta'aalaa) said: And who is better in speech than he who invites (men) to Allaah (Islaamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims." (Fussilat 41:33)

From Abee Mas'ood 'Uqbah ibn 'Amr al-Ansaaree al-Badaree (radiyAllaahu 'anhu) who said that the Messenger of Allaah (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever points in the direction of good will have a reward equal to the doer of the deed." Narrated by Muslim, no. 1893.

OH MY BROTHERS AND SISTER LEARN YOUR DEEN AS YOU WIL BE QUESTIONED ABOUT IT ON A DAY WHERE THEY WILL BE SEVERE TORMENT. YOU WILL BE ASKED ABOUT THIS.

[Enlightened~Sista]

oh yeah and if you criticise them or disagree with them they retort with ' astaghfirrulah ukhti/akhi do you know you're mocking the diin' as if Salafiyyah is synonymous with the diin itself.

seen it all


May Allah s.w.t guide us all amiin.

[xoxoBubblesxoxo]

oh yeah and if you criticise them or disagree with them they retort with ' astaghfirrulah ukhti/akhi do you know you're mocking the diin' as if Salafiyyah is synonymous with the diin itself.

seen it all


May Allah s.w.t guide us all amiin.

I dont understand why everyone has got an issue with using ukhti/akhi.... And yes you are critising diin if you are talking about it that matter. It's not like 'salafi' is a new cult.

[Firefly]

Firstly, nobody is mocking the Deen here. That's a serious and unwarranted accusation!

Secondly, there's no secret that there are different groups of Muslims (Yes, Muslims should NOT split in groups, they should unite together and stick together) but this is not the reality on the ground, so there's no point of sticking our heads in the sand & hoping the problem just goes away, or pretend it doesn't exist.

Thirdly, we should be able to discuss this matter openly and rationally without resorting to personal insults. We're all humans, we all make mistakes, we're all fallible. Lets listen to each other, instead of talking down to each other.

Lastly, I don't feel those posters who are denying the accusations have really listened to the arguments presented, they have just denied it flat out without even a moment's consideration.


Once more, just to reiterate, nobody is criticising the path of the Salaf - that which the first 3 generations of Muslims were upon!

[Enlightened~Sista]

oh yeah and if you criticise them or disagree with them they retort with ' astaghfirrulah ukhti/akhi do you know you're mocking the diin' as if Salafiyyah is synonymous with the diin itself.

seen it all


May Allah s.w.t guide us all amiin.

I dont understand why everyone has got an issue with using ukhti/akhi.... And yes you are critising diin if you are talking about it that matter. It's not like 'salafi' is a new cult.

Walaal i dont have a issue if ppl use it here and there..but when im with Somalis and they refuse to speak somali and call me Walaalo..what about that? its always ukhti ukhti...