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lol lama i have first hand of that history. my uncle was there he got little prison time for lecture he gave in the mosque

mcali wrote:

Alphanumeric wrote:

mcali wrote:
What makes a name islamic does it have to be arabic? I don't believe so.

From what I can tell, the "Islamic" or "Muslim names" are those that refer service to Allah, which are found in the Qur'an or Sunnah - Abdurahim, Abdinasir, Amaaturrahman, etc. But the only thing that makes them "Muslim" are the suffixes, I think. If someone wanted to go by the name of "Servant to al-Wali", then that should be considered an "Islamic name" lol.

I think aside from those specific references, the meaning of the name is what's important. There is no such thing as an "Islamic name" before those references above (unless you want to go back to previous languages used by other Prophets, and names found in their Sunnah and revelations given to them, such as the equivalents to Mika-iil, Isra-iil, Isma'iil, Isra-fiil, etc, whose meanings and actual pronunciations may not be entirely known). If a name has a meaning that doesn't conflict with Islam, then its use shouldn't be scrutinized.

If someone wants to advocate for names based on cultural importance, then by all means. So long as the meaning doesn't conflict with the person's belief, it shouldn't be a problem.

PS. "Yahya" or the equivalent of the language he spoke, was an original name given by Allah that no other person received before him. So that name would be an "Islamic name", I guess.

I agree with a lot of this and the bold part is hilarious. I know the name yahya was an original name given to no other before him but is that what exactly how his people pronounced his name. I dont think so.

Is there anything you disagree with?

I don't know how he or others around him pronounced his name. I believe he spoke Aramaic. Wiki says in Aramaic it would be Yuhanon (though it might be pronounced Yuhanoon, which makes sense), and in Biblical Arabic it would be Yuhannaa.

Lamgoodle wrote:
So, how comes we have bishop Abdullah? Bishop Abdusalam? Bishop Yasin?

I think you are confusing semitic names with islamic names. You will never find Mohamed or Ahmed in any other religion other than islam. Only those two names and a few others are islamic. All others names have semitic connotations and used by arabs, jews, gentiles etc.

What people do with a name shouldn't determine its origins. "Yasin" isn't even a name, let alone an "Islamic" one.

I've met my share of non-Muslim Muhammads. In fact, one had the surname Muhammad, and his first was "Christian", i.e "Christian Muhammad" lol.

I haven't confused anything. If I were to suggest that Semitic names were "Muslim", then my previous posts make no sense. The reason "Abdus-Salaam" is an "Islamic name" is because of the suffix "As-Salaam" and its use by Allah in the Qur'an and our Prophet in his Sunnah. Like I've suggested, "Servant of As-Salaam" should be considered an "Islamic name", because of its meaning. Language here means little. Arabic just so happens to be the language used by Allah in the Qur'an and by our Prophet in his Sunnah, so translating the suffixes would bastardize their definitions.

The meaning of a name is what is important. That is all.

yasin, taha are names of surat in quran, that qualifies it to be islamic if one's call it for that reason.

Alphanumeric wrote: The reason "Abdus-Salaam" is an "Islamic name" is because of the suffix "As-Salaam" and its use by Allah in the Qur'an and our Prophet in his Sunnah. Like I've suggested, "Servant of As-Salaam" should be considered an "Islamic name", because of its meaning. Language here means little. Arabic just so happens to be the language used by Allah in the Qur'an and by our Prophet in his Sunnah, so translating the suffixes would bastardize their definitions.

The meaning of a name is what is important. That is all.

That contrasts this;

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bishop-kenn ... 23/972/3ba

Bishop Abdulsalam

since noon my time we are going circle. beside other who are none muslims name abdulsalam, what you suggest? to leave those names and not name it again?

hyperactive wrote:since noon my time we are going circle. beside other who are none muslims name abdulsalam, what you suggest? to leave those names and not name it again?

The heart of the matter is to promote somali names. That is our identity. Inta kale waa bonus. Habeen wanaagsan. I have a dinner date.

Lamgoodle wrote:

Alphanumeric wrote: The reason "Abdus-Salaam" is an "Islamic name" is because of the suffix "As-Salaam" and its use by Allah in the Qur'an and our Prophet in his Sunnah. Like I've suggested, "Servant of As-Salaam" should be considered an "Islamic name", because of its meaning. Language here means little. Arabic just so happens to be the language used by Allah in the Qur'an and by our Prophet in his Sunnah, so translating the suffixes would bastardize their definitions.

The meaning of a name is what is important. That is all.

That contrasts this;

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bishop-kenn ... 23/972/3ba

Bishop Abdulsalam

Alphanumeric wrote:What people do with a name shouldn't determine its origins.

I don't understand what you are pointing out. That doesn't conflict with anything I've said.

lol at dinner date. Allah kareem.

hyperactive wrote:lol at dinner date. Allah kareem.

hyperactive wrote:yasin, taha are names of surat in quran, that qualifies it to be islamic if one's call it for that reason.

Their meanings are unknown. Islamically speaking, they are not permissible.

salool wrote:

hyperactive wrote:lol at dinner date. Allah kareem.

salool mahad ko qosashay. i laughed cause nin ka maanto idil no wa3diyayey hadana ko so gabagabeyey : bye ive dinner date. ma 3omri o date ko sameeyo joga ban qalbiga ka iri. that's why i laughed.

Alpha, no one knows if permissible or not for sure. im with; if person intention to name after surat of quran, it's islamic "to" them.

^^Waxaan ku qoslay sidaad oo yaabtey adow forumkan joogay in badan, oo wax kasta arkay.Personally nothing surprise me anymore.

I'm for advocating the importance of a name's meaning. If the meaning of a name is unknown, derogatory, or conflicts with the belief of the individual, then it should be changed. Regardless of the cultural origins of the names, if their meanings are denotatively pleasing, then their use shouldn't be scrutinized.

Ya-sin, ta-ha, and saad all seem to be acceptable, yet everyone agrees that alif-laam-meem has a meaning only known by Allah. I wonder how many Muslims name their kids "Aliflaammeem".

Alpha,
You wrote "Like I've suggested, "Servant of As-Salaam" should be considered an "Islamic name" i.e. Abdul(i)salaam. I directed you to Bishop Abdusalam. That is why .



Hyper, adeer, how would you have felt if I just left! I was being very humble adeer. I have been planing this date for a week. Hold your fingers crossed. Ii soo duceey, afar faataxo ii soo mar

I might hit gold.

Lam,

And like I've said:

Alphanumeric wrote:What people do with a name shouldn't determine its origins.