Forces loyal to Jubbaland State open fire at plane in Doolow

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Why are you guys being so defensive? If you dont really want questions asked why dont you post this in MPG

Naaya ma qasabaa in luugu jaawaabo( )..the Banadir section is that way ..Keep it moving

Okay,


@ Beesha Sade,

fadhlan stay out of Hutu's affairs from now on.



@ Bluenwhite,

Haye, get the steppin.

So, Hutus waxay mesha isku gu so guray ..is because some Sade members were trolling in their section( ) Talk about tit for tat. Typical caqli hutu.

[mahdi01]

Murax.

The Federal Constitution says “minimum of two and half region of the Original 18 regions can form a regional government like puntland”, in Central Somalia Mudug region 70% percent is Controlled by Puntland, Galguduud is only one region and can not fulfill the minimum 2.5 regional government requirements, and Hiiraan people don’t want to share anything with Galgaduud people that is why they are campaigning hard to split their region into two regions to fit in the federal criteria.

So unless Galgaduud, Hiiraan and the remaining 30 percent of mudug come together and form one federal region, the federal government will not approve them as they are today like Ximan iyo Xeeb, Galmudug, Hiiraan, waax iyo waadi. Because they are too small and lack the Federal prerequisites.

But on the other side Jubbaland is big and has three regions of the Original 18 regions, more than the federal requirements and that is why the Marehan Jubbalanders favor in federalism, but among the marehan jubbalanders there are very small group that have close relation with the Marehan of central Somalia that are against federalism and those were behind in the Doolow Airport incident.

it is definitely entangled politics were only those deeply follow Somali politics can understand

[Murax]

Murax.

The Federal Constitution says “minimum of two and half region of the Original 18 regions can form a regional government like puntland”, in Central Somalia Mudug region 70% percent is Controlled by Puntland, Galguduud is only one region and can not fulfill the minimum 2.5 regional government requirements, and Hiiraan people don’t want to share anything with Galgaduud people that is why they are campaigning hard to split their region into two regions to fit in the federal criteria.

So unless Galgaduud, Hiiraan and the remaining 30 percent of mudug come together and form one federal region, the federal government will not approve them as they are today like Ximan iyo Xeeb, Galmudug, Hiiraan, waax iyo waadi. Because they are too small and lack the Federal prerequisites.

But on the other side Jubbaland is big and has three regions of the Original 18 regions, more than the federal requirements and that is why the Marehan Jubbalanders favor in federalism, but among the marehan jubbalanders there are very small group that have close relation with the Marehan of central Somalia that are against federalism and those were behind in the Doolow Airport incident.

it is definitely entangled politics were only those deeply follow Somali politics can understand

In that case can't Galgaduud simply chose not to make one or is there a rule stating every region has to be part of a Federal admin?

[mahdi01]

Murax.

Puntland and Somaliland refused direct control under Mogadishu, like the days of the military government and the only way they will be part of Somalia is autonomy or federalism, both the UN road map and Kampala accords insist federal constitution, for that reason Somalia will become federal regional governments and yes there is a rule for that (minimum of Two and half of the eighteen regions of Somalia can form a federal regional government).

Galgaduud is one of the 18 regions of Somalia same thing Hiiraan is only one Gobol and you need minimum of two and half regions to reach the federal requirement level.

[Adali]

5 Pages of nonsense you are arguing something has nothing to do with the core subject of the story, it seems most of you did not understand the whole point of this incident.

The TFG is divided the Issue of Federalism, and each group is trying to bring those they have the same view on board from other clans in Somalia in the upcoming constitutional ratification meeting in Mogadishu.

The Majertens are 100% pushing Federalism while Habergedir is 100% against it, but Marehans are divided on this Issue, those Marehans in Central Somalia are close friends of the Habergedir and see their interest fall a Centralized Somalia while those Marehans of Jubbaland have large lands straddle between Kismaayo to the Ethiopian border and see themselves in good position and favor a Federalized government.

So, according to the information I got a plane left Mogadishu and sneaked in the Doolow Airport, then the local people found out the plane was there to pick up a group of elders that were not the one representing the majority view of the Marehans in Jubbaland, this was what made upset and this is what caused the incidents.

Murax.... your people are divided again last time was Shabab made Constitution now the mahiga made constitution

Murax.

The Federal Constitution says “minimum of two and half region of the Original 18 regions can form a regional government like puntland”, in Central Somalia Mudug region 70% percent is Controlled by Puntland, Galguduud is only one region and can not fulfill the minimum 2.5 regional government requirements, and Hiiraan people don’t want to share anything with Galgaduud people that is why they are campaigning hard to split their region into two regions to fit in the federal criteria.

So unless Galgaduud, Hiiraan and the remaining 30 percent of mudug come together and form one federal region, the federal government will not approve them as they are today like Ximan iyo Xeeb, Galmudug, Hiiraan, waax iyo waadi. Because they are too small and lack the Federal prerequisites.

But on the other side Jubbaland is big and has three regions of the Original 18 regions, more than the federal requirements and that is why the Marehan Jubbalanders favor in federalism, but among the marehan jubbalanders there are very small group that have close relation with the Marehan of central Somalia that are against federalism and those were behind in the Doolow Airport incident.

it is definitely entangled politics were only those deeply follow Somali politics can understand

this incident had to do with Galgaduud thats a bit of a stretch don't you think, we wait for your explanation since you wrote a lot but said very little.
btw: there aren't any Marehan from Galgaduud in Doollow, unless you have now started to refer to Reer Kismaayo as Galgaduud.



This incident is unfortunate, but why should PM Abdiwalli be allowed to stick his nose into Jubaland affairs, Hiiraan already rejected him before and now Jubaland has. Who in their right mind, would allow crooks with money to whisper into the ears of their elders, this is of course unacceptable, Jubaland will not be meddled with by crooks like Abdiwali.

[Murax]

Murax.

Puntland and Somaliland refused direct control under Mogadishu, like the days of the military government and the only way they will be part of Somalia is autonomy or federalism, both the UN road map and Kampala accords insist federal constitution, for that reason Somalia will become federal regional governments and yes there is a rule for that (minimum of Two and half of the eighteen regions of Somalia can form a federal regional government).

Galgaduud is one of the 18 regions of Somalia same thing Hiiraan is only one Gobol and you need minimum of two and half regions to reach the federal requirement level.

In that case Galgaduud, Hiiraan will have to form one. Much better chance of that happening then Galgaduud joining Puntland.

[The`Republic]

Mahdi said 2 and half region like 10 times when it is wrong. You need only two or more regions.



As for the rest of what the brother said, seems like an uncreative relapse into the old galti/guri worldview some people liked to use as a crutch. What does this have to do with Caabudwaaq or even just Federalism when many diverse people in Gedo and even elsewhere have questioned the "consensus" and inclusivity that led to the constitution?

[Eaglehawk]

I am proud, this first time jubaland exercised its sovereignty over its air space
This is a sovereign territory get used to it

[Turbulence]

Anyone know where I can find a copy of this so called new constitution online?

[Eaglehawk]

Anyone know where I can find a copy of this so called new constitution online?

http://www.dastuur.org/

[Warsame101]

I highly doubt the issue is a blank case of pro/anti-federalism,,, more like an issue raging between two first cousins that reached to a level unprecedented in SADE's tribal hierarchy where some of us are choosing sides like a game. Case in point, the head of the delegation was Ugaas Maxamed Ugaas Cumar, son of the late Ugaas Cumar. Him travelling to Mogadishu and attending the conference would have sealed the ongoing dispute, hence why it has been sabotaged.

[The`Republic]

That makes more sense and I have been thinking for some time that issue would pose a major threat. Honestly it annoys me that Gedoweb, Gedoonline, and some others called Maxamed Ugaas Cumar the "Ugaas" when the major established houses of Sades have given loyalty to Maxamed Ugaas Xaashi and even indeed the TFG had acknowledged the choice through the celebratory event in Mogadishu attended by the major ministers including the finance minister who is from Sade.

If the TFG would now try to use Maxamed Ugaas Cumar because the legitimized Maxamed Ugaas Xaashi might be against going to give blessing to the Constitution thing, then it means Maxamed Ugaas Cumar and his supporters are becoming mere pawns to divide and use Sade.

If this is the case, I am even more supported of the decision to turn back the planes. For the good of the clan Maxamed Ugaas Cumar needs to renounce his claim. His father Ugaas Cumar became Ugaas as a "regent" following the death of Ugaas Xaashi and when Maxamed Ugaas Xaashi was too young to take the mantle. Following the death of Ugaas Cumar, Maxamed Ugaas Xaashi was throned in his rightful place as the son of Ugaas Xaashi.

I thought it was a done deal till that Garbaharay event with Maxamed Ugaas Cumar. Something really sinister is going on. My solution is to have them sit in front of each other and let a final conclusive vote be taken.

[The_Emperior5]

Murax.

Puntland and Somaliland refused direct control under Mogadishu, like the days of the military government and the only way they will be part of Somalia is autonomy or federalism, both the UN road map and Kampala accords insist federal constitution, for that reason Somalia will become federal regional governments and yes there is a rule for that (minimum of Two and half of the eighteen regions of Somalia can form a federal regional government).

Galgaduud is one of the 18 regions of Somalia same thing Hiiraan is only one Gobol and you need minimum of two and half regions to reach the federal requirement level.

U can only speak for you're Puntland, Somaliland has nothing to do with Somalia or Mogadishu not through federalism autonomy or confederacy
U hadal Puntlandtada.

[XimanJaale]

Mahdi, what you are saying is way out of the reality. I presume you are those so-called reer Gedo's that blame everything on the Marehan's of Galgaduud/Mudug. No Marehan is anti-Federalism. If you should know why the Marehan are against the dastuur that is because of many reasons;

1. TFG of Gedo did not get any salary
2. Dastuur says political parties formed outside the country are not allowed to participate in the election (they are against Tayo party)- This part was recently added to the consitution by the PM (check out amin amir's latest drawing)
3. Marehan politician got jailed in Xamar
4. Dastuur has many foreign elements to it.
5. Marehan politicians & elders in Xamar denounced the dastuur because of its flaws
6. Marehan want the 1960 constitution until Somalia can have its own power to make new and fresh dastuur.

etc.


Voltage and Warsame,

The recent incident does not really got to do with the UGAAS problems (Ina Xaashi VS Ina Cumar) because the problem was partially resolved. Ina Cumar was told to stop claim the Ugaasnimo and will recieve 500000$, a car, 200 camels and some other stuff. However Ina Cumar is currently touring Gedo towns for support which he seems he ain't getting.

This is their uncle clarrifying the deal:


Besides, Ina Cumar was not at Doolow during that incident 2 days ago, because Ina Cumar was in Luuq Ganaane for the third Sade discussion meeting that he initiated:



http://gedoweb.com/modules.php?name=New ... e&sid=2242

Even though ONE Sade website is linking to the ugaas problem to the incident, the fact is that the incident happened because Sade themselves have not met for the Jubbaland conference, so how can a bunch of elders leave to go to Mogadishu?

The Ugaas of Reer Hassan, Ugaas Yarow himself said during BBC interview that things cannot be resolved until all Sade meet up for a conference inside Gedo.

Without Jubbaland formation and Sade peace process we cannot allow bunch of elders to go to Mogadishu, we have other problems to think about than the so-called 'dastuur'. The dastuur got messed around with...

[Turbulence]

Ina Xaashi guy is the dude from Canada, right? If so, having an Ugaaas based outside the country does not make sense. It does not matter if Ugaas Cumar was a regent, his son should be throned as the next Ugaas. With that said federalism in the way Somalis currently want to go about is something that should be opposed by everything thinking person.