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khalid ali wrote:Midgreez why are you acting as if the Afar in Eritrea have it so fine much of eritrea is controlled by Hihgland Eritreans biher tigrayans and Tigres . The afars have significant possition in Eritrea the same in Ethiopia in Djibouti.
Ciisa own Djibouti its theirs the affars are second
hargaysaay wrote:i believe from what i observed when i was in eritrea afars there are probably the most decent living dignifying afrs of all afars, but they also have ordeals of their own just like all eritreans under the cruel selfish rule of esias afwarki,
ps- speaking of eritrean afars one day general karekare the highest ranking eritrean military commander invited us to a lunch he was great man still remember how he was narrating us the old days of struggle
Ofcourse Midrigeez it can't be compared but are you saying there is no opposition of the red sea afars they feel marginalized in Eritrea many of them are fleeing Eritrea. Ethiopian afars were not good to ur people i know that but the red sea afars want to be represented with in Eritrea and i understand it was the biher tigrinaya Eritrean christian Highlanders and ur Tigre Muslim Eritrean who sacrificed the most for ur independence. but the afars are just left aside But from an Eritrean perspective it is true the Eritrean afars have it better than than Ethiopian but when it compared to other tribes in Eritrea its a whole different story who has it good in Ethiopia? other than the TPLF junta the lives of Eritreans is better than the lives of the Ethiopians, Only a little bit more freedom would be good for the Eritreans. The afars had their kingdom in Eritrea before the italians colonized Eritrea they had the entire red sea under their control look at them today in Ethiopia they are nothing in Djibouti its dawlad ciise they are second class citizen in Eritrea the hamasien elites run the country not saying they are not running the country good but more representation would do it for them, Eritrea is an example for the rest of Africa. But the Afars are the only ethnic group so unlucky in the horn Melez and the TPLF wanted abay tigray back in the days afar region of Ethiopia tigray region and the red sea coast of Eritrea to be a country. And it is true in Africa u cant please every one but that just the way it is.MidriGeez wrote:khalid ali wrote:Midgreez why are you acting as if the Afar in Eritrea have it so fine much of eritrea is controlled by Hihgland Eritreans biher tigrayans and Tigres . The afars have significant possition in Eritrea the same in Ethiopia in Djibouti.
Ciisa own Djibouti its theirs the affars are second
The afar in eritrea are 1st class when it comes to their lands/way of life, you can't even aquire land in afar region unless you are afar, their territory and area's are protected. The afar of eritrea and ethiopia hate each other why do you think the afar in ethiopia talking about union with afar in eritrea??? they lost 1/3 of their land to Tigray province and lost all the main businesses to tigrayan habesh in afar including the potash mines. One more thing, apparently the djboutian afars are the only non Eritrean people in the whole world that don't reqiure Visa to enter Eritrea, even americans and arabs need visa except the djboutian afars, why? simply because it is thier ancient land as well.
original dervish wrote:The muslim eritreans were among the forefront of the liberation of eritrea, yet today they`re completely sidelined.
khalid ali wrote:Ofcourse Midrigeez it can't be compared but are you saying there is no opposition of the red sea afars they feel marginalized in Eritrea many of them are fleeing Eritrea.MidriGeez wrote:khalid ali wrote:Midgreez why are you acting as if the Afar in Eritrea have it so fine much of eritrea is controlled by Hihgland Eritreans biher tigrayans and Tigres . The afars have significant possition in Eritrea the same in Ethiopia in Djibouti.
Ciisa own Djibouti its theirs the affars are second
The afar in eritrea are 1st class when it comes to their lands/way of life, you can't even aquire land in afar region unless you are afar, their territory and area's are protected. The afar of eritrea and ethiopia hate each other why do you think the afar in ethiopia talking about union with afar in eritrea??? they lost 1/3 of their land to Tigray province and lost all the main businesses to tigrayan habesh in afar including the potash mines. One more thing, apparently the djboutian afars are the only non Eritrean people in the whole world that don't reqiure Visa to enter Eritrea, even americans and arabs need visa except the djboutian afars, why? simply because it is thier ancient land as well.
There is always opposition for any Rule in the world, even Obama has people who oppose him as president, remember opposing him and replacing him is different, you ask many of the opposers and they would tell you they don't like Isiais but ask them lets remove him and they would back down by saying No, Not till we find a another replacement.
Ethiopian afars were not good to ur people i know that but the red sea afars want to be represented with in Eritrea and i understand it was the biher tigrinaya Eritrean christian Highlanders and ur Tigre Muslim Eritrean who sacrificed the most for ur independence.
Everyone is represented In eritrea the province governor is afar the navy chief Of eritrea is afar plus one general and few colonels also many Medium sized Ministers are also afars, Tigre and Tigrigna are more than 80% Of Eritrean population so you would expect them to hold 80% of the positions, Infact afars and saho are over represented when it comes to Ratio:Positions. Every one participated in the Liberation and Afar Eritreans suffered more than the average share for Eritreans when it came to massacre style executions
but the afars are just left aside But from an Eritrean perspective it is true the Eritrean afars have it better than than Ethiopian but when it compared to other tribes in Eritrea its a whole different story who has it good in Ethiopia?
On the contrary, The afars In eritrea are very well respected and honestly admired by Many other ethnic groups, From my last visits To eritrea afars have special Rights and the eritrean Government do let them do their own things more than any other qabils, Remember almost 80% of Eritrea was ancient Afars so they are known to be the first eritreans hence they wear the red cloth around their Head (same with djbouti afars), The bulk of Eritrean Main National Guards are of afar and Saho men the faith in afar and saho loyalty to Eritrea is evident with this, Its like Puntland having most of its national Guard and special commando's made up of Non darood. You have to understand that for thousands of Years the red sea afars have always allied themselves with Eritreans while the ethiopians afars has been servants of Habesh ethiopian rule hence the big hate between red sea afars and ethiopian afars, beside the red sea afars always claim the the ethiopian afars are not real afars rather other ethnic groups who became afarised that is why the most vocal people In eritrea for ethiopian afars to join them is the eritrean afars, they hate them really bad and i don't blame them. For Eritreans it was because of the red sea afars that the whole axum empire folded and broke away, The Adulite King (Afar Kingdom) who was under the Eritrean King Union complained of habesh entering the afar territory and trying to impose tax and stealing land, the 4 Kingdoms under eritrean axumite empire went to war with the fifth kingdom which was the habesh of north ethiopia, It was no match really the habaesh were defeated then eritrea formed its own confiderncy which they call it the golden Years in Eritrea and ethiopia went into dark ages and were paying taxes to eritrea for hundred of years. The afars of Eritrea knows that when it comes to the punch they could only trust other Eritreans to bleed for them.
other than the TPLF junta the lives of Eritreans is better than the lives of the Ethiopians, Only a little bit more freedom would be good for the Eritreans.
More freedom comes with responsible citizens, you can't have population of a country introduced to democracy after being subjected to Ethiopian invasion and brainwashing for 30 Years, you need to bring old trust and love first before you can introduce full responisbility, Beside Eritreans are very hard to trust others, they are always suspicious of motives for the people who acts Kind and generous with no obvious benefits to the generousity (Example the west), It is in Eritrean blood they like to determine their own path. remember eritrea has 2 main religion and 9 different Languages with even more qabils.
The afars had their kingdom in Eritrea before the italians colonized Eritrea they had the entire red sea under their control look at them today in Ethiopia they are nothing in Djibouti its dawlad ciise they are second class citizen in Eritrea the hamasien elites run the country not saying they are not running the country good but more representation would do it for them, Eritrea is an example for the rest of Africa. But the Afars are the only ethnic group so unlucky in the horn Melez and the TPLF wanted abay tigray back in the days afar region of Ethiopia tigray region and the red sea coast of Eritrea to be a country. And it is true in Africa u cant please every one but that just the way it is.
The afars/Saho in Eritrea were the original Eritreans, They were known as Punt and were kin to the beja who were known as Medjays. Together they were known as Te-Seti and the border of the 2 Ta-seti Kingdom were somehwhere 50-100km north of Massawa today meaning everything south was afar/saho (Punt) and everything north was Beja (Medjay). Unlike ancient egypt Ta seti was never invaded in ancient times and the only time it was subjected under ancient Egypt rule was in the new kingdom Era and that was because all new kingdom Dynasty and pharohs were of Ta-seti Medjay origin (In egypt the new kingdom pharohs are officially recognised as ancestors of the Bisharin beja meaning pahorhs like hatecpsut,thutmos,Tut amun,akhnetan,ramses etc) Imagine if a sub clan from somaliland invaded yemen and they became the new rulers you would think there would be at least alliance or union between somaliland and yemen. Issa in djbouti were brought forward by the French from Ethiopia while the habesh old kings brought the issa to eastern ethiopia because of their servant loyalty to the heabesh king, The issa never had a homeland till recently and were liked by the french because of the obedient servant like nature so they brought them to djbouti to outnumber the afars who were owners of the land. Issa never fought a battle to win anyland they today occupy, they were always brought in by someone either habesh or french. You say the afars are unlucky in the horn, it depends Really on the mentality, The eritrean afars claim Eritrea as theirs and being the first Eritreans no sane Eritreans would even think of disputing that, The ethiopian afars would lose almost all their lands to issa and Tigray in few decades, The djboutian afars has to deal with the issa for now.
You are right Eritrea needs a strong leader who is a patriot regardless of religious beliefs even when Isias dies his son should take over Abraham and lead the country the same way his dad did why would any one pick a muslim who will divide the country along tribal lines. Thats just messed up Keep the unity unity makes u strong.MidriGeez wrote:original dervish wrote:The muslim eritreans were among the forefront of the liberation of eritrea, yet today they`re completely sidelined.
wallahi To tell you as a muslim i rather christians hold power for now than Muslims. Muslims eritreans would fock up the country with their semi qabil Views and corrupt ways.
khalid ali wrote:You are right Eritrea needs a strong leader who is a patriot regardless of religious beliefs even when Isias dies his son should take over Abraham and lead the country the same way his dad did why would any one pick a muslim who will divide the country along tribal lines. Thats just messed up Keep the unity unity makes u strong.MidriGeez wrote:original dervish wrote:The muslim eritreans were among the forefront of the liberation of eritrea, yet today they`re completely sidelined.
wallahi To tell you as a muslim i rather christians hold power for now than Muslims. Muslims eritreans would fock up the country with their semi qabil Views and corrupt ways.
khalid ali wrote:Midrigeez if you look at the map of Eritrea the majority of the coast of Eritrea is inhabited by Ertirean afars. While Bihir Tigrinyas highland Eritreans Mostly Christian have the smallest territory but they are over represented now one can say they have huge number maybe true but the afars are barely not seen on the political stage of Eritrea.
The biher tigrigna have the highlands but its also the most arable land for growing food, Remember that Biher tigrigna have alot of afar ancestory and mixing too, apart from the highland being afar 1000's of years ago and constant mixing during the beja confiderncy they was an estimate of 50,000 afars within 100 Years who also moved into the highlands and mixed. The afars in eritrea have representation the government but afars don't like to be involved soo much on political arena as long as their land and rights are not breached, that is why they have a good system in eritrea to protect their lifestyle, they don't like interference from the western world as well So it is banned for any Christian missionary to even enter afar territory can you say that about other ethnic group in the horn let alone the afars of the other countries???
Thats not all the Biher tigrinyans landgrabed the sahos in Eritrea can u imagine before italians colonialism the afars had a king dom the bejas had their kingdom in the west. And today look at them and i understand u cant have to many political parties when u are at war with Ethiopia when Ethiopia stilll illegally occupies Eritrean land Its hard when a county is half christian half Muslim and still can maintain unity through healthy co existance .
Saho and Tigrigna share some of the most ancestory in eritrea, infact Saho/tigre/Tigrigna 90% share same ancestory just like saying isaaq and then having subclans Isaaq saho,isaaq tigre isaaq tigrigna. out of the 40ish subclans in saho only four are pure saho the others are kins to the clans of tigre and tigrigna and because of their power the easily took over and assimlated/mixed into the saho culture and language. they were known as agazians aka belew as well some of the saho subclans even claim gragn is from. Historically the christians always ran the political power while the muslims ran the trade, power with the christians and money with the muslims, the muslims never felt fully discrimnated there since the sahaba migration and felt there was a balance except when the habesh from ethiopia would invade. Ethiopia is occupying eritrea because once they leave they know they have no more issues to tie them in interacting with eritrea we could just build a 10 meter wall and say goodbye to them because the border would be finalised for good. But the tigrayans know to have a link with eritrea because history shows everytime eritrea regained its territory and independece Tigray went into mayhem/dark stages after that (D'mt Kingdom,axumite fall and mahdist yohannes war).
But Ethiopia is dreaming about ur red sea coast and it wants the sea so bad they are aimig for asab u need to satisfy ur citizens i see dissatisfied citizens when i talk about the afars.
They can talk about asseb all they want but they never met red sea afari in their lives, the red sea afars=Eritreans before all of us and all eritreans know that, so why would they want to be ethiopians when eritrea is their homeland??? Next time you talk to ethiopian about this issue ask him this and see him fumble, ask him if you want to join eritrean afar to ethiopia would you agree to a big referndum between the ethiopian afars and eritreans afars and they both pick which country they would like to join??? see him refusing it if he knows what h is talking about, if he agrees then know he never met an afar in his whole life.
The thing is Eritrea is experiencing national unity because of the constant threat of Ethiopia. They didnt had that unity in the 50s when Ethiopian Emperor Haile sellesie dissolved Eritrean federation with Ethiopia. Try to share resources political possitions through regions.
Eritreans always had unity, in all its history you would always find eritreans fighting alongside each other, many wars and battles. during hailesalise he threatned and bribed many to side with ethiopia, he assinated many pro-eritrean activists, he went to the UN claiming that ethiopia with no eritrea means ethiopia would lose a link to its culture,language and many things eritrea passed through to the habesh through its history, why do you think the ethiopians are stubborn to claim eritrea as part of ethiopia, because the language/scripts/culture and alot of the history was imported from outside of ethiopia as its stands today.
As for Issas they are Somalis like the rest they are nomads the issas moved towards diredawe and To Djibouti just before french Colonialism the gadabuursi and isaaq live there also Two Somaliland tribes the ciises live in Somaliland but they have been moving towards Djibouti last 5 decades. in the 18 century the oromos were living in Jigjiga the Absames removed the gallas from Jigjiga we call them galla madow the black gallas.
I do like isaaq but Issa??? i don;t know i just see the worst of them and nothing good everytime.
So the ciises are not an exception the only difference is the ciises they havent seen war like the isaaq and hawiye and other Somali tribes. And you guys are picking on them which is not cool waryaa.
They messed with us first to please their ancient habesh masters, you think we are picking on them? lol we will never forget what they did when they supposed to stay out of issues that don't concern them. But since they cute soon we will train an afar rebel army to show them to not throw rocks if their house is made out of glass. Thier action were not cool warya.
Did i tell you my uncle is the Djiboutian Ambassador to Eritrea. Eritrea and Djibouti should have good relations . The ciises moved in numbers to DJIBOUti from Etthiopia and from Somaliland about 60% of the parliament is Ciise in Djibouti 12% other Somalis and the rest afars
didn't know your uncle was djboutian? are you issa?? so there you go you even know that the issa are not native to djbouti.
. Waryaa midrgez soon u will have Somalis in Eritrea we love riding camels and eat camel meat and ride camels on the beach.
